group permission questions

[mpglivecarlo]

Hi for all SMF members and staff,

been using the smf forum in a very basic and simple way but now i´ve got some things i want to know and change and cant seem to make them work the way i would like to.

To start i will say im using SMF 2 RC3 for now (looking forward to upgrade to RC4). Here is one situation i´ve got:

1. I got a video games tournaments community and we are now running many competitions, so i decided to make custom groups for each admin group for each tournament; for example "COD4 league admin" and the group has 3 stars, but the main thing i´ve got problems is, permissions.

What would i like to do?
1.1. That those admin groups have moderator like permissions (in a specific board, can create posts, can edit any message, edit polls)
1.2. To show their "rank" as the name of the group, in this example COD4 league admin.
1.3. Maybe set an special image instead of the stars, but i think that would simply be to set another image name instead of the star image file.

What have i tried so far?
- I have edited the group permissions and set some permissions like moderator but it ends out that the group will get like a global moderator almost admin permission profile instead to be limited to the board i want.

As i understand permissions in SMF work something like this:
- user in his primary group (top layer permissions) has permissions to post new topics and to reply them in any board but no polls.
- same user in secondary groups, has one group that gives him permissions to create a poll in a certain forum.

Then his "total" permission profile in the specific board will be:
- post new topics + reply topics + create polls

An in any other board would be:
- post new topics + reply topics

I KNOW i can put users as moderator for the forum, but it will not show the group name nor the "rank" image, and since you cannot set up special moderators, cause they all share same permissions and settings in the group "moderators".

any help is welcome.

[Illori]

try creating a group, or additional group for these people, in this group make a profile that in specific boards they can do the moderation actions you wish for them to have. as long as this group is added as an additional group it will not change what badge/stars/member group is visible.

[mpglivecarlo]

try creating a group, or additional group for these people, in this group make a profile that in specific boards they can do the moderation actions you wish for them to have. as long as this group is added as an additional group it will not change what badge/stars/member group is visible.

thx for fast reply,

That would mean that i would have to create a specific profile for each board and for every board a user group that would be authorized as moderator in this new profile right?

Sounds a like long task, hoped it would be easier

thx.

[Illori]

that is the best way i can think to do what you want.

[Spoogs]

Actually no you wont have to make different profiles for each board. I'm assuming the permissions will be similar anyway... so what you can do is create 1 new profile and set the permissions for all the groups. Now as you create the boards for each group only give access to the group that will be using that board.

[Illori]

well you would need a separate profile if there is a different group to be moderator of each board.

[Spoogs]

Not if you assign the mods at board level... or if there is a moderator group, set the permissions but make sure the member is in both the moderator group and the group that is suppose to access the board in question but do not give the moderator group access to the board. the fact that they have access through the other group will still allow them to moderate the board.

[Illori]

but they dont want the badge/stars to change or the persons group title which would change if you set them as moderator of each board.

[Spoogs]

Thats where the second part of my post comes in
Moderator group would be the primary I suppose then the actual group would be the secondary...

For example
Group A - primary membergroup for all in Group A (give this group access to the board)
Group A Moderator - primary membergroup for the moderator of Group A... these members should also be in Group A (do not give this group access to the board)

Edit
Actually gave this some more thought...
The moderator doesnt have to be in both groups and the moderator group can have access

[mpglivecarlo]

Thats where the second part of my post comes in
Moderator group would be the primary I suppose then the actual group would be the secondary...

For example
Group A - primary membergroup for all in Group A (give this group access to the board)
Group A Moderator - primary membergroup for the moderator of Group A... these members should also be in Group A (do not give this group access to the board)

Edit
Actually gave this some more thought...
The moderator doesnt have to be in both groups and the moderator group can have access

Will test that, but i think that when primary group is moderator it will replace any title from any group from the board that person is moderator.

thx 2 you both.

[Spoogs]

if you actually create a group and give it moderator permissions then you wont have to assign them to the board as moderator

for example
Group A Manager <-- give this group the moderating permissions and you wont have to actually assign each person to the board, since the members in this group will have the necessary permissions.

[mpglivecarlo]

if you actually create a group and give it moderator permissions then you wont have to assign them to the board as moderator

for example
Group A Manager <-- give this group the moderating permissions and you wont have to actually assign each person to the board, since the members in this group will have the necessary permissions.

Whe i did that, the group became like a global moderator, if i only give them access or "let them see" the only board i whish them to moderate, they wouldnt the see other boards since its primary group is like a top layer permission group?

will test this if i understtod correctly:

1. Create a group with permissions profile "by type" moderator.
2. In the group creation i will set only one forum that they can "see" in the visible forums section.
3. test if users in that group can moderate that specific forum without loosing their badge or custom group title.

[Spoogs]

before i go further let me make sure i fully understand what you are trying to do

You want to create groups (members in this group will have a specific badge) you want to also have the moderators for the boards this group will access to have their own badge as well.

For example
Group 1 has a badge lets call it BadAss
Group 1 Moderators badge would be like Super BadAss

Is this what you basically want to do?

[mpglivecarlo]

before i go further let me make sure i fully understand what you are trying to do

You want to create groups (members in this group will have a specific badge) you want to also have the moderators for the boards this group will access to have their own badge as well.

For example
Group 1 has a badge lets call it BadAss
Group 1 Moderators badge would be like Super BadAss

Is this what you basically want to do?

Ok in simple terms following example:

Admin COD4:
- has moderator permissions in a specific forum (where he will be admin).
- has a custom badge (instead of the stars or in this forum the number of squares )
- the group title (Admin COD4) remains under his user name in posts.

I need to make multiple groups like this one for different people, different forum, different badge and title.

like this guy has SMF friend AND add the moderator permissions on a specific board.

I dont use the moderator field in the forum config because it cant be customized with the name nor badge.

thx

[Spoogs]

ok go to Admin>>Members>>Permissions>>Edit Profiles

Create a new Permission Profile
Now you can set the permissions for each group the way you want it.

Then on these particular boards, you will use the permission profile you created (not default).

[mpglivecarlo]

ok go to Admin>>Members>>Permissions>>Edit Profiles

Create a new Permission Profile
Now you can set the permissions for each group the way you want it.

Then on these particular boards, you will use the permission profile you created (not default).

Then i would have to set a permission profile for each specific board?

[Illori]

yes you would need one for each board, which is what i suggested above several hours ago.

[Spoogs]

Again I say no... you can set all the permissions in that profile and just control who has access to each board... not a new profile for each board.

Permission does not = access

[Illori]

it sounds like the op wants more the one group to see each board, and those groups can see other boards. so each board needs a separate moderator group and therefore a separate profile to give them permissions in that board only.

[Spoogs]

Aaaah I see, well if thats the case then yep, I agree it will require a different profile for each board

[mpglivecarlo]

i thought that it would require a profile for every specific board, but i was wrong since the group permissions to make someone to moderate a forum are global forum permissions that will apply to every forum using the default profile.

then to limit them to only the forums, even the general forum category i would have to create a profile to forbid the other forum admins to moderate inside that forum.

very loooooong way for what i wanted.

i thought that there would be a similar way like in phpBB3.

is there a mod to make "custom" moderator groups in SMF? will go look in the customization section; but seems i will have to forget about what i wanted to do and only set members to the moderator group of the board, since only the primary group will show in the "rank" underneath the username.

thx for help.

[Illori]

what do you mean by custom moderator groups? creating a group and giving them the permissions you want?

[Spoogs]

I'm staring to get confused here, I already explained how to do this using a moderator group.

[mpglivecarlo]

what do you mean by custom moderator groups? creating a group and giving them the permissions you want?

To be able to edit or customize the moderator title and badge for every moderator board. When i set in a board a person as moderator every time he posts in the forum it just says "moderator" under user name and it has a X number of images for his "badge" like in this image:



What I would like is a user that has moderator permissions for specific board (only 1 board and its sub-boards) and that anytime he posts his profile card has a custom title and badge.

I dont know if there is such a mod to modify or customize independent forum moderators like that, or if i explained myself wrong.

I'm staring to get confused here, I already explained how to do this using a moderator group.

I created a moderator group, and ended with the global moderator group, the visible boards limit did not work, cause every board he could see that used the default permissions he could moderate; meaning every time i create a new board i would have to create it with another permission profile so the admins cant moderate it.

your solution is based on a group + forum profile level.

if i understood you wrong can you please give me a step by step for what you suggest.

[Illori]

you could make a group to "show" they are moderators like this forum has for language mods, but when in that board where they are a moderator it will show the same as above. otherwise i think you need a mod to do what you want.

[mpglivecarlo]

you could make a group to "show" they are moderators like this forum has for language mods, but when in that board where they are a moderator it will show the same as above. otherwise i think you need a mod to do what you want.

Exactly, that is my "problem" i want them to always have the moderator permissions for the specific board, and to keep throughout the forum their custom title for example "COD4 Admin" and their badge. But in the forums they are moderator it just shows as the image i posted.

[Spoogs]

Create a group named COD4 Admin and give that group moderator permissions on the necessary board ... put the member in this group as their primary group. Fix the permission profiles for for this group for any other permission profile you are using on other boards.

[Illori]

that only works if there is only one "admin" group, which i am guessing there will be more then one.

[mpglivecarlo]

Create a group named COD4 Admin and give that group moderator permissions on the necessary board ... put the member in this group as their primary group. Fix the permission profiles for for this group for any other permission profile you are using on other boards.

Just to be sure...how do i assign moderator permissions to the group? by selecting in permissions "by type" -> Moderator ?

Dont understand the fix permission profile part.

that only works if there is only one "admin" group, which i am guessing there will be more then one.

Yes, admin group for every specific board that is made for every game/tournament.

[Illori]

then we are back to what i said on the prior page about having a profile for each board, no other way around it.

[mpglivecarlo]

then we are back to what i said on the prior page about having a profile for each board, no other way around it.

i had hoped for another option but seems that way, maybe in the future those permissions could be granted to a group without having the problem of global moderation.

[Acans]

The only way to do this is to create all the groups, but base there permissions on regular members.

Than create board profiles and assign the permissions to each board profile for the membergroup that requires them. Than on the boards you want that membergroup to have the rights, change the board permission to the newly created one.

The SMF permission system can be a bit hard for those new to it. However, when you play around with it gets easier.