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Started by Bugo, February 15, 2011, 03:48:12 PM

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humbleworld

Arantor, we can all be anti-SEO but I believe it is worth trying following the rules. It's still a cat-and-mouse game, I know, but there are still good things that we'll gain from SEO techniques.

Arantor

-sigh- I really wish people would read what I actually wrote. Forum SEO != SEO in general. Please do not assume you know what I mean, because I'm pretty sure you've missed the actual point of what I was saying (and I'm *certain* Kindred will get the point, which is actually arguing in favour of what you're arguing in favour of...)

humbleworld

Quote[size=78%]And in fact a certain fork of SMF does this as well (and has done for months)[/size]

May I know what Fork are you referring to? Is it a MOD or do we have to do it manually?

Arantor

I'm not supposed to talk about it seeing that it is an SMF derivative, that because it's not under an 'open source licence', it is not supposed to be discussed here. The team have been known to remove it from my signature in the past, too.

Suffice to say, it is a heavily modified SMF base, and it would be a truly enormous mod if it were possible to make as a mod. (It would modify EVERY file in SMF, without exception. And be impossible to uninstall after.)

That is what a fork is: a branch off of the software. This software I'm talking about started with 2.0 and started rewriting great chunks of it. The developers today, for example, are finishing up replacing the entire ban system with one that is faster and has features the base SMF package does not. But the fork is not yet publicly available.


We're getting off topic here. Point stands: more systems do actually do different-meta-description-per-topic-page than don't these days, and there are justifications for it.

humbleworld

Oh, I know what you mean, Arantor. It starts with letter W... A 5-letter word. When the fork is publicly available, I will surely try it in one of my idle domains.

Arantor

Oh yes, that's the one. And yes, the rampantly anti 'forum SEO' developer over there implemented this feature months ago.

Kindred

Oh yes, I get your point...  Not sure that I agree, but I will accept that you have probably done a bit more research into it than I have, currently.
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Mick.

@bugo....

I have an external page. In fact is my front page since I have SMF in /community.

Code:


<?php
 
require_once('/path/to/SSI.php');
 
$context['page_title_html_safe'] = 'Page title goes here';

 
template_html_above();
  
template_body_above();
  
 echo 
'
   <hr />
   This would be the content sections of the page
   <hr />
   '
;
  
   
template_body_below();
  
template_html_below();
    
 
?>



Optimus is not reading said page. How can I make it work?

I used the mod's globals and $context and ran a meta tag service and it seems not to see the description. Only the title. I'm stumped.

sukafia

Hi, please i don't understand how to set this part of Optimus brave, I've attached the screenshot. Thanks

Mick.

Quote from: sukafia on February 15, 2013, 11:57:54 PM
Hi, please i don't understand how to set this part of Optimus brave, I've attached the screenshot. Thanks
leave it like that.

sukafia

Quote from: Mick. on February 16, 2013, 12:05:10 AM
Quote from: sukafia on February 15, 2013, 11:57:54 PM
Hi, please i don't understand how to set this part of Optimus brave, I've attached the screenshot. Thanks
leave it like that.

Thanks!

Dblog

for some unknown reasons, one site that runs optimus brave's 2011 version, shows sitemap properly and options in admin panel
another site newly converted to smf and running 2.0.4 now has optimus brave 1.8.5 and sitemap shows errors

drfun

Good day to you all , please i noticed today as i was searching for info on google, there was a post from my site, but google was displaying the name of my site as the topic, instead of displaying the topic as it does for other site. I am using optimus bave as my SEO mod, is there i way i can change this and make google display my topics for any match query search for.
I will be grateful for any assistance and if this has been treated please kindly point me to it. Thanks
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floridaflatlander

Quote from: drfun on February 22, 2013, 12:27:26 PM
Good day to you all , please i noticed today as i was searching for info on google, there was a post from my site, but google was displaying the name of my site as the topic

That's odd, it should be displaying whatever you have as your title(what you have in your title tags)

Checked here, http://www.allstudentforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=c3f7f4774213f02f2934cbd32ce2fd15&topic=1460.0 it seems right to me.

Can you put the google search link up?

rightofatilla

Quote from: Kindred on December 28, 2012, 08:20:39 AM
This mod does not change the urls at all, since urls have very little, if any, effect on search engine ranking.

Can you post the link to Google stating this?

Arantor

Why would search engines tell you how they work? If they told you how they worked, they would be opening them up to abuse from scammers.

rightofatilla

Quote from: Arantor on February 25, 2013, 09:48:30 PM
Why would search engines tell you how they work? If they told you how they worked, they would be opening them up to abuse from scammers.

Do they not post guidelines?

Arantor

The guidelines are very vague but they do not make any mention of 'pretty URLs' being helpful.

The last guidelines I saw from Google came out a few years ago and concentrate far more on things like having everything actually link together, proper XHTML, and so on. Stuff that SMF does out of the box and has done for years.

A bigger problem is how you expect users to write 'content optimised for search engines'. If you use the 'pretty URLs', the topic's title is what the user gives it. If the URL were a major part of ranking, you've just given users a tool to shoot you in the foot.

rightofatilla

Quote from: Arantor on February 25, 2013, 10:02:00 PM
The guidelines are very vague but they do not make any mention of 'pretty URLs' being helpful.

The last guidelines I saw from Google came out a few years ago and concentrate far more on things like having everything actually link together, proper XHTML, and so on. Stuff that SMF does out of the box and has done for years.

A bigger problem is how you expect users to write 'content optimised for search engines'. If you use the 'pretty URLs', the topic's title is what the user gives it. If the URL were a major part of ranking, you've just given users a tool to shoot you in the foot.

They actually encourage you to use pretty URLs (check page 8 on their guidelines).

Personally, I think SEO is fool's gold, and the biggest scam of the century.  Setting proper titles, descriptions, and housing good content is important, however, as Google has said it is.  When Google encourages behaviors in their guidelines, I don't quite understand the advice to push back on it, especially if you (anyone) doesn't know for certain.  Maybe pretty URLs do affect rankings.  Maybe they don't.  Unless any of us has Google's code sitting in front of us, we don't really know.

Kindred

they don't affect rankings. plain and simple.  Google has already indicated that CONTENT and proper tagging of content is the way their system works best.
Also, pretty urls on a forum are next to useless. After all - how many posts would we have on this site with the url simplemachines.org/help_me
I have never had any pretty urls on any of my forums, yet they are all ranked very high with the content.

However, as page 8 points out... it is the human factor that could be affected - people looking at the url may be more likely to click it...   but that depends on it being actually descriptive - and for forums, that is at the mercy of your users - you as an admin have very little control.
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