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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2005, 05:35:17 PM »
after a few months of research, i have put together a formula that will answer all copywrite questions.

Change + Copywrite = No.

I know it looks complicated, but do not worry. It will click eventually.

Ermm... except it's copyright, the right to copy (more than that but basically), not copywrite... the ability to write to copies...?  Incidentally, you can change copies of the source code, just not the copyright statement.

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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2005, 05:36:45 PM »
haha. oops. :-[
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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2005, 02:10:35 AM »
Has there been any changes/progress on this front? I agree 100% with the thread starter. It is plain stupid to leave the version number in the footer. Yes you will argue it takes a script kiddie 5minutes to test for all known exploits, but you're taking the narrow view.

Think of how many phpBB boards there are out there. How long has phpBB been around? What's the oldest version you can find out there? How many exploits are available for that version? Can you still get all the exploits since the first? Would you waste your time to do it when there's plenty of boards vulnerable to the lastest exploits?

There is going to be thousands and thousands of SMF installs in the future, and not everyone is like the people on this board that will tend to their boards 24/7, and get paged to wake up when there are updates. Many people have jobs, lives outside their boards. Hell many people just setup a board and never touch it for years.

These 'outdated boards' will eventually give SMF a bad rep. And don't be naive and think 'SMF Coders are Gods! They don't make mistakes like phpBB coders!'--because that's the biggest load of ******. There will be holes in it no matter who is coding it. Think SMF coders are better than NASA engineers who are trained never ever to fail? Well even NASA ******s up.

So to summarize
1) Version numbers will be beacons for hackers in the coming months/years.
2) There WILL BE EXPLOITS for SMF in the future--don't be naive.
3) The people who haven't removed their version numbers will be the easiest targets.
4) Yes removing your version number doesn't make you invulnerable, but it will get rid of 98% of the 'script kiddies' out there.
5) If everyone has their version numbers removed, it increases the effort of finding and successfully hacking sites by at least 20 fold. You can no longer search for vulnerable installs, you need to attempt to crack every single one.

As for the copyright, I agree it makes it seem like lewis media owns your site, domain, graphics and content. I think this is wrong.

I also agree it would be very beneficial to users to choose from 3-4 differently styled/worded copyrights approved by lewis media. This is a very silly thing to be stubborn about.

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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2005, 02:17:26 AM »
Change + Copyright = No.
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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2005, 10:12:59 AM »
Change + Copyright = No.

Yes, very clever.

- No + Change + Copyright = 0

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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2005, 11:05:20 AM »
sheesh.... what is so bloody hard to understand or comply with regarding this copyright?

Agentbob, I believe the SMF team have stated (multiple times) the reason that the version is included... and the reason that it will continue to be included.

You are correct, there are some script kiddies out there who may attempt to search for a specific version of SMF once a hack is found. With the SMF team's response, the hacks are closed, usually before they actually happen. However, I would rebut your argument and state that it is the repsonsibility of the owner of the site to make certain that his/her site is up to date and as protected as possible.
With the SMF Package system, communicating an important update becomes simple and does not rely on the owner to come to SMF and check.... only to view their own site on a regular basis (which EVERY admin should do, anyway). And installing the update consists of maybe 3 clicks on their own site...

As for the other thing....  it has been stated (again, multiple times) that adding text above and/or below the copyright is permissible....

So, feel free to clarify the forum vs site copyrights by doing so...
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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2005, 11:10:10 AM »
Have you ever looked at the FAQ or Policy? so you could see where lies the copyright :)

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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2005, 11:38:52 AM »
Have you ever looked at the FAQ or Policy? so you could see where lies the copyright :)

btv,    Who were you responding to with that?

be clear who you are addressing such comments to....
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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2005, 11:39:06 AM »
agentbob,
  It has been said repeatidly that you may remove the version number if you wish.  If you feel that the wording is unclear add some stuff above or below it to clarify.  Such as:

Forum Copyright Information
Powered By SMF
© 2001-2005, Lewis Media. All Rights Reserved.

Website Copyright Information
blah blah blah blah
bleh bleh bleh bleh

There you've now cleared it up and kept the copyright information the same.

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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #49 on: August 10, 2005, 02:20:09 AM »
Is it okay to "un center" the copyright? The text is still displayed, exactly the same. I just thought it would look better to have all the "powered by" and "valid" logos to one side of the copyright. So now, my copyright is shifted to the right of the page. This is perfectly okay, right?
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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2005, 03:09:20 AM »
Is it okay to "un center" the copyright? The text is still displayed, exactly the same. I just thought it would look better to have all the "powered by" and "valid" logos to one side of the copyright. So now, my copyright is shifted to the right of the page. This is perfectly okay, right?
Yes.  It is done with the "Comic" theme used as an option on these support forums.

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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2005, 04:11:14 PM »
Would it be possible to use this as a copyright:
Powered by SMF 1.0.5 © 2001-2005, Lewis Media. All Rights Reserved.
No re-wording there just removed the board name, a comma and a <br /> tag.
I know it's long but it may come in handy for me.

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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #52 on: August 10, 2005, 07:44:38 PM »
Would it be possible to use this as a copyright:
Powered by SMF 1.0.5 © 2001-2005, Lewis Media. All Rights Reserved.
No re-wording there just removed the board name, a comma and a <br /> tag.
I know it's long but it may come in handy for me.

Do you really think so...

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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #53 on: August 10, 2005, 08:27:53 PM »
Unless it has changed:

I asked before and the answer I got was that the forum name is NOT part of the copyright and thus may be removed.

In fact from http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=34184.0 [Unknown] answered the question about the line break (its ok).

And from http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=33879.0 both [Unknown] and Joseph Fung both answer about removing the board name (its ok).

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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #54 on: August 10, 2005, 09:30:21 PM »
Perfect.

Quote
Site Contents and Design © 2005 Example.com
Powered by SMF. © 2001-2005, Lewis Media. All Rights Reserved.

I think that's perfectly reasonable, gives credit, is less ambiguous and provides extra security--no matter how little that may be.

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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2005, 10:07:05 PM »
cool  :)

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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2005, 10:45:46 PM »
I think that's perfectly reasonable, gives credit, is less ambiguous and provides extra security--no matter how little that may be.

But, if you make this change, I assume you plan to post your version number expressly with every support topic you post here, every time.

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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #57 on: August 10, 2005, 10:50:10 PM »
How do I change it?

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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #58 on: August 10, 2005, 10:51:14 PM »
Extra security? Why the hell not just update? hello?

and didnt you see the google search results? That's how the kiddies find vulnerabilities. Not by randomly visiting different forums looking for an out of date version...at least, that's what i would do...

Extra security? pffft...
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Re: SMF Copyright Rewording
« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2005, 11:26:15 PM »
Extra security? Why the hell not just update? hello?

and didnt you see the google search results? That's how the kiddies find vulnerabilities. Not by randomly visiting different forums looking for an out of date version...at least, that's what i would do...

Extra security? pffft...
Every little bit helps.