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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #280 on: June 01, 2011, 06:17:08 PM »
Eeh, actually, I didn't, if you read my entire post...
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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #281 on: June 02, 2011, 02:48:25 AM »
I'm as hungry for the Gold release as the next person, but I value solid, reliable software, like most other forum owners. I just want to say "THANK YOU" to everyone on the Dev Team and all support staff for SMF,  both current & "Former" contributors. You ALL have been instrumental in making SMF the exceptional software that it is.

SMF has come a long way over the past few years. Quite a few MAJOR situations have been resolved, and we still have the very BEST forum software available to enjoy on our websites.

This edition of SMF is truly software to be proud of. Congratulations and Thank You~!

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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #282 on: June 02, 2011, 05:59:12 AM »
I'm as hungry for the Gold release as the next person, but I value solid, reliable software, like most other forum owners. I just want to say "THANK YOU" to everyone on the Dev Team and all support staff for SMF,  both current & "Former" contributors. You ALL have been instrumental in making SMF the exceptional software that it is.

SMF has come a long way over the past few years. Quite a few MAJOR situations have been resolved, and we still have the very BEST forum software available to enjoy on our websites.

This edition of SMF is truly software to be proud of. Congratulations and Thank You~!
Now this is what I call friendly :)

I gotta give a very big Thank You to the devs too. This is just a big evolution in forum software, and it's way better then most other software's out there (even better then the paid ones!).

The devs are constantly busy with keeping the software stable, but still having loads of features being added.
The software is successfull in keeping it's users happy and so is the community (with mods, themes and other extensibility features).
Having so many mods just makes you realize that the software is just so easy to use for developers, a goal many other software's still have to accomplish.

So, thank you so much for this great software, and most of all, take your time to make it even better :)
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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #283 on: June 02, 2011, 06:00:48 AM »
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The devs are constantly busy with keeping the software stable, but still having loads of features being added.

You know it's been officially feature locked since 2007, right?
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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #284 on: June 02, 2011, 06:03:23 AM »
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The devs are constantly busy with keeping the software stable, but still having loads of features being added.

You know it's been officially feature locked since 2007, right?
Yeah but when 2.0 gold is out, I mean that.
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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #285 on: June 02, 2011, 10:31:11 AM »
I'm really puzzled by the obsession with clearing all the problems before release. I'm sure that everybody will accept that no software is ever bug free - every decision to release has to be a compromise.

When I'm looking to release a new version of software there are two major questions I ask:
  • Is there anything that used to work in the last release that doesn't work in the release candidate. In this case the last release was 1.1.13, so are there any bugs in 2.0 in features that work in 1.1.13?
  • Are there any bugs in the major new features of the new release? (Are such bugs that do exist restricted to features that will only be used by a small minority of users? Would it render the release pointless if the new features which still have bugs were disabled?)
If the answer to both those questions are No I would release and accept that a small patch update will follow soon after. To do otherwise means that the release will keep being delayed - especially if very large numbers of people are running the release candidate (significant numbers of bugs will keep being reported).

I look after a forum currently running phpBB 2.0.x. A couple of years ago, because I am active on a couple of SMF based forums (I have nearly 14,000 posts on one) I decided I would upgrade to SMF 2 (one significant reason being that some of the customisations I've added to phpBB are standard features in SMF 2). I took note of the statement on the download page: "Note: As this is in development, we do not recommend running SMF 2.0 RCx on a production site.". As I far, far prefer SMF and it appeared that the release of SMF was not far away (it's not usually that long after the first release candidate that the full release occurs) it seemed to be the correct decision.

Back end of last year I was on the point of deciding that I'd made a bad decision and instead (against my preferences) upgrading to the latest phpBB. I watched the SMF team blowup saga unfold, and because it seemed at the end of it that there was a new team with a new sense of purpose I continued to wait in the expectation the the release would not be that long coming.

Now it appears nothing has changed, the same old obsessions are still continuing to delay the release. I'm getting it in the neck for not having updated the forums and I'm left with a feeling that I've been taken for a ride by the SMF team with their continual "not long now" assurances. So the broken promise that unless there was a major catastrophe SMF 2.0 would be released by the end of May was the final straw.

You reach a point where you lose faith. I'm now very, very seriously looking at phpBB again and even if SMF 2 goes gold in the next couple of days it is in no way a forgone conclusion that that will be what I use. A crying shame because SMF is far better software and there are some really great people in the team.


Edit: Just to add, I've made this post in sadness, not in anger.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2011, 10:36:08 AM by jelv »
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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #286 on: June 02, 2011, 10:46:07 AM »
Take care and good luck in all your future endeavors jelv.
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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #287 on: June 02, 2011, 11:19:35 AM »
You reach a point where you lose faith. I'm now very, very seriously looking at phpBB again and even if SMF 2 goes gold in the next couple of days it is in no way a forgone conclusion that that will be what I use. A crying shame because SMF is far better software and there are some really great people in the team.
Really, if SMF is the best software in your opinion then something like this should not make you turn to other software.
And if it does, then I'm really curious as to why? What difference has it made to you as a user, that the actual final version is not out yet, if you have already been using an RC?
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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #288 on: June 02, 2011, 11:24:04 AM »
Well goodluck with phpbb that crapy buggy software, better wait a few days,a week or even a month to get a really good working software package...

The Team is doing well and do their job, just sit and wait for the announcement :P
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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #289 on: June 02, 2011, 11:35:48 AM »
So is there any new updates on the development?

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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #290 on: June 02, 2011, 11:38:37 AM »
Read this.

It's unfortunate that we are now in June and there weren't any asteroids (the real/human Sinan says that this is actually fortunate) but we still haven't released SMF 2.0 final. I can understand your frustration. I apologize.

Although we had started the release process, we had to delay things a little bit more due to an unpleasant last minute surprise. We were notified that one of the important but not-so-popular features of SMF 2.0 wasn't working as expected. It requires fixing before we can stick the "final" label on this thing.

As soon as we deal with this last minute surprise, we will be releasing SMF 2.0 final and it's not as far as weeks, months, years from now but "these days". Thank you for your continued support and patience.

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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #291 on: June 02, 2011, 11:38:55 AM »
it's not as far as weeks, months, years from now but "these days". Thank you for your continued support and patience.
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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #292 on: June 02, 2011, 11:39:20 AM »
most likely the next update you will get, will be when the developers are ready to do the release. and the more you ask for updates the less time the developers have to try to fix the last issues.

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« Reply #293 on: June 02, 2011, 11:44:46 AM »
I just want to take the time to recognize a bunch of people who've helped make SMF one of the most revolutionary forum software tools it is today.
Firstly I'd like take off my hat to the founders/managers of SMF. They couldn't have made a better life changing decision than by kick starting this project.
Then of course the equal amount of respect has to be given to the developers of this excellent piece of software. They carry out one of the most challenging tasks and what's even more amazing is that they do it with no motivation of any sort whatsoever. These intelligent individuals deserve much more respect than what you and I offer them. The amount of insolence all of you have shown so far just makes me sick. What you guys don't realize is everything they're doing simply benefits you, the user and they gain nothing in return (okay, sure maybe something off donations but when that's split among the entire team, there's barely anything compared to the time and effort they put into creating SMF) and again they push the date forward, why? to improve the tool for your sake, so that you won't overcome any issues in the forthcoming and yet all you animals keep howling just so they weren't able to release on the date stated and they've asked for nothing more than a couple more days and yet you again you throw a tantrum. You know why I feel you do that? it's because this is the internet where all you clowns get to be anonymous and snooty. Let me repeat this to you; they are improving the damn product for your sake and your benefit, try to realize that. They give you an unfinished product and it's you guys who are gonna make life miserable for them by flooding the support boards with your issues. So please, the least you guys can do is motivate them through words and of course your pockets ;)
Lets continue acknowledging the members who've made SimpleMachines a success so far.
The Support Specialists, Customizers, Doc Writers, Localizers, Language Moderators, Friends and Family, Beta Testers. All these people have played a very very important role in the achievement and will continue to do so, so please acknowledge them, motivate them. They truly deserve the respect!
Then of course I would also like to bow down to the mod authors & theme designers. It's them too who've played a part in revolutionizing SMF. They have expanded the capabilities of a simple forum software to something much more powerful & extraordinary. The capabilities of SMF are limitless thanks to them.
Not forgetting the voluntary supporters who assist members in the support boards. They offer their time and effort by assisting you with issues you face and they expect nothing in return. A round of applause to them for their generous and superior nature.
And last not least us, the end-user of the product. It's thanks to us that word goes around about this brilliant tool and more people begin to use SMF. We increase the popularity of their product day by day. So at least now that you realize you play a part in the success of SMF, try to act a bit more descent and give the fellow developers some extra time to make it a golden bug-free product.

I apologize in advance for any grammatical errors.

Good luck to the "awesome team". May god bless you all.
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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #294 on: June 02, 2011, 11:46:01 AM »
There are no many people with this kind of respect this days. This should be posted in Testimonials section. :)

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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #295 on: June 02, 2011, 11:54:40 AM »
You reach a point where you lose faith. I'm now very, very seriously looking at phpBB again and even if SMF 2 goes gold in the next couple of days it is in no way a forgone conclusion that that will be what I use. A crying shame because SMF is far better software and there are some really great people in the team.
Really, if SMF is the best software in your opinion then something like this should not make you turn to other software.
And if it does, then I'm really curious as to why? What difference has it made to you as a user, that the actual final version is not out yet, if you have already been using an RC?

I haven't been using a RC on my live site - I heeded the warning on the download page. The SMF forum where I am active is using 1.1. I downloaded 2.0 RC2 and RC3 and put them on a test server ages back which persuaded me to wait for final rather than go with 1.1.

I have to balance functionality against supportability. So software where I fear I may be left high and dry while I wait for a new release with fixes to problems is a major concern.
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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #296 on: June 02, 2011, 11:54:52 AM »
agent47, First - Thank you for the kind words! :)

But one thing to note,
(okay, sure maybe something off donations but when that's split among the entire team, there's barely anything compared to the time and effort they put into creating SMF)

The team takes no money for what they do - All donations go to the NPO, and are used for corporate expences such as servers, lawyer costs and whatever the NPO needs to purchase or rent outside of it's own staff.

We are all volunteers working on our own free time :)
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« Reply #297 on: June 02, 2011, 12:18:48 PM »
You know it's been officially feature locked since 2007, right?

This is a good thing from the standpoint of expediting release due to a smaller, simpler plate. It's a bad thing from the standpoint of competitiveness in the forum "marketplace". Four years of feature-freeze has unfortunately caused SMF to fall behind feature-wise and in modernization.

Here's hoping that with the management reorganization, the shift to being an NPO, and the upcoming release of 2.0 final that we can look forward to a phase of SMF catching-up and not only modernizing the features and technology of the software, but once again pulling ahead of the pack like in its former glory days. I'm looking forward to a surge in development and evolution. Soon all the pieces will be in-place and the impediments out of the way... hopefully all the promises we've been told hold true. ;)

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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #298 on: June 02, 2011, 12:26:05 PM »
You reach a point where you lose faith. I'm now very, very seriously looking at phpBB again and even if SMF 2 goes gold in the next couple of days it is in no way a forgone conclusion that that will be what I use. A crying shame because SMF is far better software and there are some really great people in the team.
Really, if SMF is the best software in your opinion then something like this should not make you turn to other software.
And if it does, then I'm really curious as to why? What difference has it made to you as a user, that the actual final version is not out yet, if you have already been using an RC?

I haven't been using a RC on my live site - I heeded the warning on the download page. The SMF forum where I am active is using 1.1. I downloaded 2.0 RC2 and RC3 and put them on a test server ages back which persuaded me to wait for final rather than go with 1.1.

I have to balance functionality against supportability. So software where I fear I may be left high and dry while I wait for a new release with fixes to problems is a major concern.
Ah, that I can understand really.
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Re: SMF 2.0 Update Part Last
« Reply #299 on: June 02, 2011, 12:27:46 PM »
Well goodluck with phpbb that crapy buggy software, better wait a few days,a week or even a month to get a really good working software package...

The Team is doing well and do their job, just sit and wait for the announcement :P
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