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"Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« on: May 30, 2012, 05:59:07 AM »
When you browse the forum "Hidden", for whatever reason, it's incredibly easy to find-out if you're actually around.

If someone goes to your profile, it tells them when you were last active. If that's showing as "Now", as it were, it kinda proves that you're around.

Maybe it should be that people who are hiding should get that bit blanked-out, or have that show as "Hidden", too?
« Last Edit: June 19, 2012, 11:32:32 PM by N. N. »

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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2012, 06:26:32 AM »
Even the time reported on your last post proves you are around...

Of course if you set yourself "hidden" and then you don't post at all, then the "last active" could be a "problem", but on the other hand I don't really know how far the "hidden" could be brought.


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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2012, 07:33:23 AM »
This has been discussed before, and I seem to remember being told it's intended behaviour that it still gets updated even if you are hidden.
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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2012, 08:24:11 AM »
If you're not posting, but lurking, as some do, you could remain hidden, if that didn't update.

I just noticed that I'm hidden, which I hadn't realised.

It doesn't bother me, personally. But, I could imagine that some might be.

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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2012, 09:21:24 AM »
but the "hidden" just says "hidden from online users list"
not "hidden so that no one else knows your here"


this is completely as intended -- and makes complete sense to me. :P
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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2012, 09:29:43 AM »
How does it make sense?

Surely, if someone wants to be hidden, for whatever reason, they want to be hidden.

If they're not, really, hidden, why give the option?

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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2012, 09:58:02 AM »
Is remove the option a solution?
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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2012, 09:58:26 AM »
I've long thought this is slightly bizarre behaviour, but there's no good answer.

If you show the time in the profile, it's obvious. If you don't show the time, however, it's still fairly obvious by the fact that you're posting and not really that hard to get around.

However you won't show up in the list at the foot of the board index (except to admins) so that you won't get pestered as much unless someone wants to talk to you specifically.

I personally would not want to remove the option as a whole.
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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2012, 11:29:26 AM »
but the "hidden" just says "hidden from online users list"
not "hidden so that no one else knows your here"

that's why it makes sense to me. :P

it just hides you form the online list and the "now online" icon in posts...   so you don't get bugged by users.
As I see it, it's not intended as an "anti-stalking" measure, just as a "I'm incognito" flag.
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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2012, 11:45:03 AM »
Except that it's not particularly an incognito thing if you're an active poster...
To assume is to hope that those who came before had the presence of mind and capacity to implement the dreams of those who would come after.

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. It seems you have chosen which, and now I must do the same.

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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2012, 11:46:57 AM »
But you cannot expect to be in incognito if you are posting... :P
Of course unless you post only in boards where "normal" users cannot see your posts.


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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2012, 11:48:58 AM »
I understand what Kindred is saying.

Do some of you really need to use this option so other members don't bug you when you don't want to be bothered or what?


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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2012, 12:04:26 PM »
actually, I do use the option on some of my sites...  but it only matters if I intend to lurk/read not actively post/participate.
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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2012, 01:23:29 PM »
I used the option here for quite a long time.

It really helped to decrease the pms I was receiving back then.  Even if you just posted a few seconds ago, people see you as offline, a lot of people don't bother reading the time hen a post was made and don't bother to go to the profile either, well they do, but they don't check the last active part, dunno why.
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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2012, 03:26:20 PM »
Maybe most people don't think of doing that, then.

'couse, I've just broadcast the fact to everyone, now, like a Muppet... :P

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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2012, 05:17:15 PM »
Am I right in thinking that even if you are "hidden" your little speech box on any of your posts will actually show that you are around?

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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2012, 05:18:21 PM »
That's really all the point of being hidden is - it just means the little green box next to your name says you're offline when you really are.
To assume is to hope that those who came before had the presence of mind and capacity to implement the dreams of those who would come after.

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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2012, 05:42:15 PM »
'couse, I've just broadcast the fact to everyone, now, like a Muppet... :P

Don't worry hon, some of us had already figured out that you're always here anyway  ;)

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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2012, 08:07:58 PM »
Is remove the option a solution?
That would be mine. :P
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Re: "Hidden" isn't hidden, at all...
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2012, 11:29:58 PM »
I've long thought this is slightly bizarre behaviour, but there's no good answer.

If you show the time in the profile, it's obvious. If you don't show the time, however, it's still fairly obvious by the fact that you're posting and not really that hard to get around.

However you won't show up in the list at the foot of the board index (except to admins) so that you won't get pestered as much unless someone wants to talk to you specifically.

I personally would not want to remove the option as a whole.

It is slightly odd behavior.

If you do post or take another action (at least actions interacting with other users or logged), then there's no other solution than to update the time. It has been your choice to post, to take an action which proves your presence online.
However, if you only "lurk", it makes sense to expect that it isn't updated: as displayed for other users. The problem is, this isn't expected behavior for admins. In addition, it is a good question what actions should update it.

If we change the meaning of the option, to "private mode", we have to figure out the specification of the behavior so that - hopefully - it doesn't get confusing. Not more than it already is, that is. :)
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