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Started by coregej, February 05, 2013, 05:51:44 AM

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coregej

Quote from: Kindred on February 07, 2013, 12:22:15 PM
coregej - total and utter BS.

Internal links back and forth between internal posts, aritcles or contents have little (if ANY) effect on search engines.  Link building is acquired by incoming links from OTHER sites.


As I said, qand as Suki explained further

forum != blog

i understand. all i needed is linking my posts with other "related post" within the post.
this helps very well in building your forum.
yes it helps alot in SEO world and i strongly believes in it

Arantor

--edited to remove profanity and frustration at trying to explain why forum SEO and regular SEO are two different hings--

coregej

Quote from: Arantor on February 07, 2013, 04:25:23 PM
--edited to remove profanity and frustration at trying to explain why forum SEO and regular SEO are two different hings--
please i didn't mean to misquote or perhaps misunderstood anyone's opinion here. i am only concern because of the current situation i am seeing in every top blog, website, forum and co.including Google . the main reason why people links back to "related topics" are

1. to remain and increase visitors time on your forum
2. to increase PR : in this aspect (if you have noticed), sometime Google increases PR of a particular post in your forum without touching the forum index. example your post may increase from pr 0 to pr 3 while the homepage remains pr 0. this link building helps alot in passing "linkjuice" especially when you link the forum index/homepage or any post within the Forum 8)

Arantor

And yet you continue to miss the point, again and again :/

So let me spell it out again.

You believe that things are important for SEO. We, current and former SMF developers and forum admins, are telling you this is not the case.

Kindred

I will spell it out even more clearly.
Your internal links do not contribute to any linkjiuce or link building.

linking post X to post Y has no SE benefit to either Post X or Post Y.
Linking to Post X from another site...   THAT gives benefit (and more benefit if the site is related to your site's area of interest)

If internal links had any effect at all on search engine ranking, then every site in the world would build 1,000 pages that did nothing except link back and forth.
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Well, for SEO is useless.
But for users *may* (big conditional) be useful somehow (and as far as I'm concerned users are much more important than search engines, so if something nice for user could come out I would be interested).

Though doing it automagically is...meh...

You end up with a random cross-linking to things that may be barely related or not related at all, let's take as example your own blog post:
* each and every "web" in the post has a link to a blog post titled "WYSIWYG Web Builder 8.5.2"...is that really *so* related to "web"? I don't think so.
* each "for" has a link to "AMMON Theme for WordPress"...what the heck is the relation with "for" apart from the "for" in the title?
* "auto" of course links to "WP Auto Links"...maybe.
* "link" => "WP Link Tracker"...maybe again.

I would say the way things are auto-linked is at least not always so relevant.
Also there is a "load" consideration, because doing it automatically at each page the script should search all the terms in the page into at least log_search_topics and look for relevant results (of course the result can be cached for a (long) while). Otherwise if you do it at "post-time" you will end up with "static" results representative of the relevant results at the time of your post and nothing more recent (that is basically useless).

...well, that said it would be interesting to explore somehow. That's basically a variation of the "related topics" mods that are already around. ;)


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Alright, days are little changed, I have done experiments lately and can say that internal linking affects a lot however if done in organic way.  But that doen't mean you end up link building a lot, be careful, in one other experience, google actually removed me from a top keyword completely as I was trying to play with internal linking (yes, its verified that playing with internal link can also affect you) . Anyways, WHY DON"T YOU GO FOR RELATED POST MOD, I have that as must in all my forum, it increases engagement as well helps in SEO also.

Just to add here, too much link on a page also dissolve page value. :)

coregej

Quote from: Arantor on February 07, 2013, 04:55:55 PM
And yet you continue to miss the point, again and again :/

So let me spell it out again.

You believe that things are important for SEO. We, current and former SMF developers and forum admins, are telling you this is not the case.
Quote from: Kindred on February 07, 2013, 05:04:50 PM
I will spell it out even more clearly.
Your internal links do not contribute to any linkjiuce or link building.

linking post X to post Y has no SE benefit to either Post X or Post Y.
Linking to Post X from another site...   THAT gives benefit (and more benefit if the site is related to your site's area of interest)

If internal links had any effect at all on search engine ranking, then every site in the world would build 1,000 pages that did nothing except link back and forth.

Quote from: emanuele on February 07, 2013, 05:16:36 PM
Well, for SEO is useless.
But for users *may* (big conditional) be useful somehow (and as far as I'm concerned users are much more important than search engines, so if something nice for user could come out I would be interested).

Though doing it automagically is...meh...

You end up with a random cross-linking to things that may be barely related or not related at all, let's take as example your own blog post:
* each and every "web" in the post has a link to a blog post titled "WYSIWYG Web Builder 8.5.2"...is that really *so* related to "web"? I don't think so.
* each "for" has a link to "AMMON Theme for WordPress"...what the heck is the relation with "for" apart from the "for" in the title?
* "auto" of course links to "WP Auto Links"...maybe.
* "link" => "WP Link Tracker"...maybe again.

I would say the way things are auto-linked is at least not always so relevant.
Also there is a "load" consideration, because doing it automatically at each page the script should search all the terms in the page into at least log_search_topics and look for relevant results (of course the result can be cached for a (long) while). Otherwise if you do it at "post-time" you will end up with "static" results representative of the relevant results at the time of your post and nothing more recent (that is basically useless).

...well, that said it would be interesting to explore somehow. That's basically a variation of the "related topics" mods that are already around. ;)
Quote from: Ricky. on February 08, 2013, 12:53:48 AM
Alright, days are little changed, I have done experiments lately and can say that internal linking affects a lot however if done in organic way.  But that doen't mean you end up link building a lot, be careful, in one other experience, google actually removed me from a top keyword completely as I was trying to play with internal linking (yes, its verified that playing with internal link can also affect you) . Anyways, WHY DON"T YOU GO FOR RELATED POST MOD, I have that as must in all my forum, it increases engagement as well helps in SEO also.

Just to add here, too much link on a page also dissolve page value. :)
thanks all but even google and other big site uses both internal and related posts. my question is WHY

i have both "google tagged and related posts"

JUST THAT I WANTED TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE LINK WITHIN MY FIRST POST LINKED TO ANOTHER POST , APART FROM GOOGLE TAGGED AND RELATED POST

johnpaul2k2

Quote from: Ricky. on February 08, 2013, 12:53:48 AM
Alright, days are little changed, I have done experiments lately and can say that internal linking affects a lot however if done in organic way.  But that doen't mean you end up link building a lot, be careful, in one other experience, google actually removed me from a top keyword completely as I was trying to play with internal linking (yes, its verified that playing with internal link can also affect you) . Anyways, WHY DON"T YOU GO FOR RELATED POST MOD, I have that as must in all my forum, it increases engagement as well helps in SEO also.

Just to add here, too much link on a page also dissolve page value. :)
one link from one post to another (to me) isn't much. some have 3 links , notwithstanding how many posts in their forum
i still need this mod "only" if it's possible.
i think i have requested for this mod more than twice, yet no way  :-[

Kindred

You keep saying that you need this mod.

Why do you think that you need this mod?

We have already told you that there is no search engine benefit... And the related posts mod already does link to related posts... Even if that is a waste of resouces...
A forum IS NOT a blog and linking forum posts to each other is basically a waste of server resources and even a waste of time for the readers.
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