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SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!

Started by Compuart, September 20, 2005, 10:41:57 AM

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Bonk

Left unattended for a few hours that forum install crashed php altogether on that server, affecting several other websites.  >:(

I guess the Access Violation errors continued until they crashed php.

Not happy. Not happy at all.  I was under the impression that 1.1-rc1 was supposed to be an improvement.

No. I will not rollback my php version.

I will try SMF 1.0.5 instead. It should be more stable hopefully.

Then back to writing a proper search script for 1.0.5 on our main site if I can figure out that abomination of a permissions system in 1.0.5.

>:(

Thumbsdown on SMF 1.1-rc1 big time. It clearly needs a whole lot of work before it can be used on live sites.

exrace

Quote from: Bonk on December 15, 2005, 08:40:38 AM
A note:

I just installed SMF 1.1 RC1 fresh on an IIS5 / php 5.1.1(isapi) / MySQL 5.0.15 server.

If I put the new MySQL 5 files: (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=55616.0;attach=11890)
into the folder before install, the install fails after entering the admin acount info with the following error:

QuotePHP has encountered an Access Violation at ...

The install works if the new files are not used. I placed the new files in the forums folder after installation and it seems OK now.

Think we found your problem... RC1 fresh on an IIS5 / php 5.1.1(isapi)  ;)

Bonk

December 16, 2005, 09:37:50 AM #382 Last Edit: December 16, 2005, 09:52:04 AM by Bonk
Quote from: exrace on December 15, 2005, 10:43:25 PM
Think we found your problem... RC1 fresh on an IIS5 / php 5.1.1(isapi)  ;)

Oh, I suppose I should be running Apache1.3.33 php 4.3.7 on Redhat or some such solution I suppose? <rolls eyes>

phpBB 2.0.18 works flawlessly on IIS5 php 5.1.1, the problem is with SMF 1.1 rc-1.

SMF 1.0.5 works pretty good on our Apache 2.2.0 (Win32) / php 5.1.1 server, except the search function is absolutely hideous, one search will cripple the server totally for minutes at a time...

The current version of php is 5.1.1. That is what actively supported php applications should run on. IIS is a perfectly respectable webserver, though I like apache better... so much so that I compiled 2.2.0 win32 binaries and the corresponding php module myself.

Bottom line:
You are just plain wrong.

:P


Edit: The best webserver I worked on was apache 2 php 5  I compiled and statically linked on QNX 6; rock solid and lightning fast.

Raptus

I don't want to press de dev team, but I sure think that some sort roadmap with a rough time frame estimation of when versions come out would help people running SMF. Now I know RC2 is coming out pretty soon, but what then? Is the final version like a month away or more like half a year?

Ben_S

December 16, 2005, 10:15:25 AM #384 Last Edit: December 16, 2005, 10:24:35 AM by Ben_S
Bonk - Can you start a topic detailing your problems with 1.1 on your platform in the [[General discussion and feedback]] board. This will enable the developers to track down your issues easier.

Oh and FWIW, I thought your comments over @ phpbb.com were a bit harsh. SMF's search feature has been rewritten in 1.1 and works perfectly fine. Yes 1.0x's search feature has issues, but then it's perfectly normal not to backport new features in to an older line. Indeed phpBB 2x has had no new features added like SMF 1.0.x. The difference is SMF 1.1 will actually be released in the not too distant future, phpBB users have been waiting over 2 years for phpBB 3.

Also I'm not sure where you find the code bloated and as for permissions, yes they can be hard to understand / configure, but thats a price to pay for the flexibility they offer.
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Ben_S

Quote from: Raptus on December 16, 2005, 10:14:50 AM
I don't want to press de dev team, but I sure think that some sort roadmap with a rough time frame estimation of when versions come out would help people running SMF. Now I know RC2 is coming out pretty soon, but what then? Is the final version like a month away or more like half a year?

There is no roadmap because things are subject to change, more so in a project like SMF where all the coding is done as and when the devs have time to fit it in round their real life.

If dates were given people would start to moan about them being missed.
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Bonk

December 16, 2005, 10:29:02 AM #386 Last Edit: December 16, 2005, 10:34:30 AM by Bonk
Quote from: Ben_S on December 16, 2005, 10:15:25 AM
Bonk - Can you start a topic detailing your problems with 1.1 on your platform in the [[General discussion and feedback]] board. This will enable the developers to track down your issues easier.

Oh and FWIW, I thought your comments over @ phpbb.com were a bit harsh. SMF's search feature has been rewritten in 1.1 and works perfectly fine. Yes 1.0x's search feature has issues, but then it's perfectly normal not to backport new features in to an older line. Indeed phpBB 2x has had no new features added like SMF 1.0.x. The difference is SMF 1.1 will actually be released in the not too distant future, phpBB users have been waiting over 2 years for phpBB 3.

Also I'm not sure where you find the code bloated and as for permissions, yes they can be hard to understand / configure, but thats a price to pay for the flexibility they offer.

simplemachines.org webserver headers:
Quote
Server: Apache/1.3.34 (Unix) PHP/5.0.4 mod_auth_passthrough/1.8 mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 mod_ssl/2.8.25 OpenSSL/0.9.7a

I suggest that simplemachines update to php 5.1.1 and develop for it and optimise performance without the crutch of a php caching application. (I also reccomend updating openssl... ;))

The difference is that phpBB's search function does not cripple the server and works. I'm not waiting for phpBB3, version 2 works just fine. That is the difference between SMF and phpBB. I did not want to say it here, but there it is.

I am not going to update to 1.1 it looks pretty unstable from here. I will just maintain 1.0.5 for our site myself. If I were to start a thread on running 1.1 on php 5.1.1 I might be accused of bumping it impatiently.... <rolls eyes>

Ben_S

December 16, 2005, 10:37:04 AM #387 Last Edit: December 16, 2005, 10:39:22 AM by Ben_S
This server runs cPanel, cPanel does not currently support PHP 5.1. There is at least one team member testing 1.1 CVS snapshots on Apache 2, php5.1 and MySQL 5.

That OpenSSL is fine, it runs red hat enterprise and redhat backport the fixes without increasing the version number, but thats going slightly off topic.

1.1's search feature works just fine too. ;)

1.1 isn't unstable, it happily powers the biggest SMF board.
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Bonk

December 16, 2005, 10:47:24 AM #388 Last Edit: December 16, 2005, 12:41:18 PM by Bonk
Disregarding the saying about arguing on the internet...  ;)

Quote from: Ben_S on December 16, 2005, 10:37:04 AM
This server runs cPanel, cPanel does not currently support PHP 5.1. There is at least one team member testing 1.1 CVS snapshots on Apache 2, php5.1 and MySQL 5.
Ack! cPanel!

Quote from: Ben_S on December 16, 2005, 10:37:04 AM
That OpenSSL is fine, it runs red hat enterprise and redhat backport the fixes without increasing the version number, but thats going slightly off topic.
Not according to: http://www.openssl.org/news/changelog.html

Quote from: Ben_S on December 16, 2005, 10:37:04 AM
1.1's search feature works just fine too. ;)
But 1.1 crashes php 5.1.1, so its search is not really any good to me is it?

Quote from: Ben_S on December 16, 2005, 10:37:04 AM
1.1 isn't unstable, it happily powers the biggest SMF board.
On php 4.4.1. <cough> Are you not actually reading what I am saying?
redandwhitekop.com webserver headers:
Quote
Server: Apache/1.3.34 (Unix) mod_auth_passthrough/1.8 mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.4 PHP/4.4.1 mod_ssl/2.8.25 OpenSSL/0.9.7a

Discussion closed.


Ben_S

1> I agree entirely - I'm also not the biggest fan of cPanel, but it serves a purpose.

2> Red Hat do not update the version number, or add feaures etc, they just packport any security fixes into old versions.

3> I appreciate what you are saying, does your error log show anything that would help narrow it down?

4> I never said I personally run php 5.1x, I did say that someone does though, fairly sure that http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/ is running 5.1.

Not trying to agrue, trying to find out where it is that your falling over with it. Access Violation errors could mean anything, is there anything in the error log, bear in mind I'm unfamiliar with IIS.

The reason I suggested posting in the general discussion & feedback board is your posts will easilly get lost in this long topic.

Ben
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Raptus

Quote from: Ben_S on December 16, 2005, 10:17:15 AMThere is no roadmap because things are subject to change, more so in a project like SMF where all the coding is done as and when the devs have time to fit it in round their real life.
If dates were given people would start to moan about them being missed.
I can perfectly understand the motivation for not giving out dates. But that's not what I was asking for, rather for the magnitude of time till final. Progress reports would do it, too.

Trekkie101

Each release is usually a few months apart. Major releases will probably be about a year apart. They wont give out more specific dates, so I wouldn't push any further, or it'll cause more arguments.

Ben_S

I'd expect RC2 will be out within a month, depending on how stable that is will determine how long before 1.1 Final is out.
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Grudge

Im happy to look at your problems bonk. The point of an rc is to find there issues. Also, as mentioned i develop on the latest version of mysql php and apache
I'm only a half geek really...

Benqo

Quote from: Ben_S on December 16, 2005, 11:25:19 AM
I'd expect RC2 will be out within a month, depending on how stable that is will determine how long before 1.1 Final is out.

Would you say that RC1 can already be setup in a live environment or is it still just for testing purposes?

Itch™

I use it on a live site and so far, apart from a few minor things, it works excellent. Just bare in mind that it's not the gold version yet, so if you're uncomfortable with beta software, use 1.0.5. instead.

YM

Ben_S

Quote from: Benqo on December 16, 2005, 02:14:02 PM
Would you say that RC1 can already be setup in a live environment or is it still just for testing purposes?

I've been using 1.1 CVS snapshots on my live site (see sig) since  before it went beta with no major issues, and the issues I did have do not exist in the betas / RC's.

So long as you back up, you should be fine.
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kfander

Quote from: Ben_S on December 16, 2005, 10:37:04 AM
This server runs cPanel, cPanel does not currently support PHP 5.1. There is at least one team member testing 1.1 CVS snapshots on Apache 2, php5.1 and MySQL 5.

Does this mean that SMF 1.1 won't work on servers using CPanel?

JayBachatero

No what he meant was that cPanel doesn't support PHP 5.1.  SMF will work on cPanel.  This server has cPanel.
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Bonk

Quote from: Grudge on December 16, 2005, 11:32:54 AM
Im happy to look at your problems bonk. The point of an rc is to find there issues. Also, as mentioned i develop on the latest version of mysql php and apache

Apologies for my overly negative reaction to SMF's failure on IIS5/php5.1.1(isapi).

It occured to me today that it is possible that the isapi caching function of IIS may have issues with php 5.1.1 which are not revealed by phpBB but are by SMF.

As SMF's unorthodox use of function recursion (at least for php, function recursions greater than 1000 calls are known to crash php) has also revealed the failings of both eAcclerator and APC on php 5.1.1 where other php applications do not.

Two options here: eliminate the use of function recursion in SMF, or wait for Microsoft, eAccelerator and APC to achieve compliance with the revised Zend engine 2, or do not use caching applications of any kind when running SMF.

I will give SMF another try on IIS5/php5.1.1 with isapi caching disabled at a later date when I have the time and inclination.

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