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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #400 on: December 18, 2005, 06:38:33 AM »
I would not say SMF has an unorthodox use of function recursion at all. It's used rarely, but appropriately. Due the way SMF approaches security all incoming variables are cleaned ($_POST, $_GET and server vars). The *only* way to do this properly is through function recursion. It will never get more than a couple of layers deep, and I would very much consider it a bug in PHP, IIS or otherwise if it cannot handle the very small amount of recursion SMF uses.

This is the first time I've ever heard of this problem, and it sounds very much like a bug in the build you are using. Everything in the SMF code is perfectly legal. Bear in mind that I believe Ben runs an accelerator (eAccelerator) with SMF without issue. Also, at the very least vBulletin also uses recursion so if it is a bug with PHP it needs fixing.
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #401 on: December 18, 2005, 11:46:33 AM »
Quote from: Grudge on December 18, 2005, 06:38:33 AM
I would not say SMF has an unorthodox use of function recursion at all. It's used rarely, but appropriately. Due the way SMF approaches security all incoming variables are cleaned ($_POST, $_GET and server vars). The *only* way to do this properly is through function recursion. It will never get more than a couple of layers deep, and I would very much consider it a bug in PHP, IIS or otherwise if it cannot handle the very small amount of recursion SMF uses.

This is the first time I've ever heard of this problem, and it sounds very much like a bug in the build you are using. Everything in the SMF code is perfectly legal. Bear in mind that I believe Ben runs an accelerator (eAccelerator) with SMF without issue. Also, at the very least vBulletin also uses recursion so if it is a bug with PHP it needs fixing.

Function recursion is known to crash php since a few versions back. If it is only called a few times then you're OK though. still excessive preg_* function calls in php will create a nasty serverload on the windows platform.

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It is possible to call recursive functions in PHP. However avoid recursive function/method calls with over 100-200 recursion levels as it can smash the stack and cause a termination of the current script.
http://www.php.net/language.functions  ...RTFM!!!  ;)

Re eAcclerator: it is not compatible with the revised Zend engine 2 of php 5.1.1. If you will read the above you will see that Ben is running php 4.4.1. <sigh>
http://www.eaccelerator.net/php5/
They have known for some time and have not addressed it.
Neither is APC compatible with php 5.1.1. Niether is Turck MMCache.
Only the Zend Optimiser 2.6.0 is currently compatible with php 5.1.1.
See my posts toward the end of this thread:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=49995.0
Also see my posts on the eAcclerator forums on sourceforge.

Because of this, we are considering rolling back our apache server to 1.3.34 and php to 4.4.1...
(currently Apache 2.2.0 php 5.1.1)
http://www.dynaverse.net/
http://www.dynaverse.net/downloads/  (I don't believe in hiding server tokens)


The IIS server we are running on another box runs phpBB just fine on php 5.1.1:
http://sfc2.net/forums/


I know what I'm talking about, trust me...

edit: also note that as I stated above, I suspect the issue on IIS5 is in the isapi caching function as currently NOBODY can cache php 5.1.1. (without errors)
« Last Edit: December 18, 2005, 12:02:43 PM by Bonk »
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #402 on: December 18, 2005, 06:06:50 PM »
Bonk,

You have to bear in mind that I do not have the time to read through every post in every topic. Nor do I have the time to read the PHP manual from cover to cover. If accelerators have not been updated for the latest version of PHP this is not my concern. The only thing that I care about is that SMF is written to work on all valid (and even not so valid) server configurations - and is optimised for the current issue of software.

As I've already stated, SMF does not use several hundred levels of recusion - it uses it as appropriate for the functionality. I'd be in full agreement that if a function is recursing hundreds of times there is something seriously wrong.

As far as preg_* on windows not working well goes - that's very much a platform issue. preg_ functions are used in SMf for very good reason, writing a custom regex function in PHP would clearly be slower.

I'm more than happy to work with people to make SMF work on their current server configuration, but only if it's vaguely sensible. Forgive me if I'm wrong (As I've said - I don't have time to dedicate to every topic) - you are trying to run SMF 1.1 on PHP 5.1.1 with an accelerator that doesn't work on 5.1.1 - I can't see how you can blame SMF for not working in this situation.

I believe that you are basically in agreement with me (i.e. ISAPI plain doesn't work caching PHP 5.1.1) - but if this is the case then I don't see why you decided to write a ranting post about it in the first instance, without ensuring that it was, indeed, a problem with SMF.

Regards,

Grudge

PS - I've had 5 pints and a bottle of wine so forgive any incohersion :)
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #403 on: December 20, 2005, 08:43:15 AM »
Hear hear!
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #404 on: December 20, 2005, 02:26:27 PM »
Quote from: Grudge on December 18, 2005, 06:06:50 PM
Bonk,

You have to bear in mind that I do not have the time to read through every post in every topic. Nor do I have the time to read the PHP manual from cover to cover. If accelerators have not been updated for the latest version of PHP this is not my concern. The only thing that I care about is that SMF is written to work on all valid (and even not so valid) server configurations - and is optimised for the current issue of software.

As I've already stated, SMF does not use several hundred levels of recusion - it uses it as appropriate for the functionality. I'd be in full agreement that if a function is recursing hundreds of times there is something seriously wrong.

As far as preg_* on windows not working well goes - that's very much a platform issue. preg_ functions are used in SMf for very good reason, writing a custom regex function in PHP would clearly be slower.

I'm more than happy to work with people to make SMF work on their current server configuration, but only if it's vaguely sensible. Forgive me if I'm wrong (As I've said - I don't have time to dedicate to every topic) - you are trying to run SMF 1.1 on PHP 5.1.1 with an accelerator that doesn't work on 5.1.1 - I can't see how you can blame SMF for not working in this situation.

I believe that you are basically in agreement with me (i.e. ISAPI plain doesn't work caching PHP 5.1.1) - but if this is the case then I don't see why you decided to write a ranting post about it in the first instance, without ensuring that it was, indeed, a problem with SMF.

Regards,

Grudge

PS - I've had 5 pints and a bottle of wine so forgive any incohersion :)

Very well said Grudge :)
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #405 on: December 20, 2005, 07:33:08 PM »
Quote from: JayBachatero on December 14, 2005, 11:52:27 AM
Quote from: klumy on December 14, 2005, 11:48:30 AM
What's new in RC2?
Wait and see ;)

Quote from: Severus Snape on December 14, 2005, 11:50:03 AM
I figured out one, in your posts there is like a small picture thing of a piece of paper and a pen going in it, click on it and your post comes up like a quick post for editing.

Yup thats one inline editing. ;)

A new release :P
Man I hope I dont have to redo all my themes again :-X from RC1.1
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #406 on: December 21, 2005, 10:24:52 AM »
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Database Error
Please try again. If you come back to this error screen, report the error to an administrator.

I've overwritten all (1.0.5 -> 1.1).... I don't know what happen?
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #407 on: December 21, 2005, 01:47:48 PM »
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Database Error
Please try again. If you come back to this error screen, report the error to an administrator.

I've overwritten all (1.0.5 -> 1.1).... I don't know what happen?

Did you run upgrade.php?
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #408 on: December 21, 2005, 04:05:28 PM »
yes  :D
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #409 on: December 21, 2005, 04:07:42 PM »
Were there any errors during upgrade? You might want to try uploading all files again, using a different ftp-client and run upgrade.php again. Maybe something went wrong during upload.
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #410 on: December 23, 2005, 03:51:55 AM »
Is it just me or is "Quick Reply" option not there?

How do i set it on?

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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #411 on: December 23, 2005, 05:13:44 AM »
Profile > Look and Layout Preferences > Quick Reply
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #412 on: December 23, 2005, 07:16:24 AM »
I seem to be having a problem with RC1.

i updated just yesterday from 1.0.5 to 1.1RC1.

Although the board manager in the admin section displays the boards in the correct order (as they were pre-update), the board index does not, rather it displays the categories and boards in wrong order. Does anybody have a clue why?

my board is at www.opadoi.gr/forum/
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #413 on: December 23, 2005, 12:34:13 PM »
Switching a board back and forth should fix that issue. Or a query:
Code: [Select]
ALTER TABLE smf_boards
ORDER BY boardOrder
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #414 on: December 23, 2005, 09:58:15 PM »
If you did not let the upgrade.php script  run completely, you will also have this problem...
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #415 on: December 27, 2005, 04:49:06 PM »
Going from 1.0.5 I had to upload files to do the upgrade. Will I be able to use the package manager now to go from 1.1rc1?
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #416 on: December 27, 2005, 06:03:55 PM »
The package manager can only be used for minor updates I'm afraid. That said, I hope the next version of SMF will make it all possible via the Package Manager.
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #417 on: December 28, 2005, 01:27:33 AM »
Quote from: Grudge on December 27, 2005, 06:03:55 PM
The package manager can only be used for minor updates I'm afraid. That said, I hope the next version of SMF will make it all possible via the Package Manager.

That indeed would be great!  ;)
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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #418 on: December 28, 2005, 04:54:52 AM »
Yeah, I too would hope to see this as an upgraded feature...  ;D

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Re: SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 1 has been released!
« Reply #419 on: December 28, 2005, 06:47:46 AM »
The big updates can't be used in the package manager due to the php execution limits (how long php can do it for)
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