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Started by 0xide, October 23, 2005, 06:08:32 PM

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0xide

I think it would be awsome to have a quick reply box kind of like some other boards do...

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Oldiesmann

Gri, I don't think that's what he was talking about...

Oxide: Profile -> Look and Layout Preferences
Set "Use quick reply on topic display" to "Show, on by default"

To change this for all members who register in the future:
Admin -> Current Theme's Settings -> Reset default member specific options (1.0.5) / Admin -> Current Theme -> Reset Options -> Reset default (guest) options for this theme (1.1)

To change it for all current users:
1.0.5 - Admin -> Current Theme's Settings -> Reset member specific options for all members
Check the box next to "Use quick reply on topic display" and set it to "Show, on by default"

1.1 - Admin -> Current Theme -> Reset Options -> Reset all member's current options for this theme
Select "Change" next to "Use quick reply on topic display" and set it to "Show, on by default"
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gri

Quote from: Oldiesmann on October 24, 2005, 10:33:53 AM
Gri, I don't think that's what he was talking about...
Quote from: Oldiesmann on October 24, 2005, 10:33:53 AM
Oxide: Profile -> Look and Layout Preferences

Oldiesmann, I don't think that's what he should have talk about.

Firstly we can assume that he is a User, not an administrator,
and then his question demonstrates the logical error
of the program set of options.
If the program has such a convenience as Quick Reply
(and the approach concerns many other features too)

then the administrator should not have the ability
to deny it.

  Is Quick Reply option can really bring more harm to the forum
   than its absence provide to the Users ?

Suppose the admin option should present
but in this case the feature (any USER feature)
should be swithed ON by default.

A User can easily switch off the feature which is switched ON
and he hardly can guess about how to switch on A feature
                             which is switched OFF
                             and is unknown to be present at all.


If the default value of User option was "Show, on by default"
then there were no questions about how to switch ON.
And the answer to the question of how to switch off
       would be written directly before the eyes
       at the moment when a User think
       that he wants to remove _THIS_ object from the screen.

Do you imagine how many questions are still not asked at all
just because the Users do not assume that there IS an option
to reply more quickly ?  
       

But really the Feature which is named "Quick Reply"
is not very quick.
My previous requests and the link above
explains why. Doesn't they ?


Your slow detailed explanation to Oxide
does not prevent next questions of next multiple Users.
Unfortunately, not all of the questions
will be addressed to you.


By the way IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY
to link both users and guests to the admin panel pages
with the read only access

in order to
~Reply Quickly~ to similar questions ?

I mean not the demo version with ~well known~ login-password..
but of _that forum_ which Users are used to ask the questions.

JayBachatero

Gri it is posbbile for users to tun it on and off.  all they have ot do is go to Profile > Look and layout preferences > Use quick reply on topic display: and the user selects its option.
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Ben_S

Quote from: gri on October 24, 2005, 04:03:32 PM
Firstly we can assume that he is a User, not an administrator,

Seeing as he's posting here, we can logically assume he is an administrator, if he's a user, he's asking in the wrong place.
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Dannii

Quotethen the administrator should not have the ability
to deny it.
So.. SM should dictate what thousands of administrators on private boards on private servers can and cannot do with features like a quick reply. Oh yes, that would be a wonderful idea.
"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."

gri

Have swithed ON the computer.
Just because I have it on the table before my eyes
     and I already know how to switch it ON.

First thing what I always do - is receive my e-mail.

It allows me to be notified to which forums of the planet
I must connect to
       in the _next_ sessions
                     to read the new replies.

There may be approximately 50-100 notifications and e-mails
and first I must understand
    to which private e-mails I must reply first.

Then I define the order of the public forums to reply.

Several of the forums I read are SMF 1.1-based
and certainly the notification includes the text of the reply.
Or of the post.. for New Topics.
It is convenient to check whether there is at least one reply
which is addressed to me
but the e-mail does not still allow to prepare the _quote_
                                    for the reply.
(Besides the replies from one topic
are not sequent in my e-mail client.
It is also inconvenient to analise the thread.)

Hence when the next several topics has get their turn
I need to connect to the few forums
and save the topic last pages in the cash.
I disconnect.. because I pay for access time
               while having no income.
I remind you that the great number of victims in Russia
are hardly reduce end with end.

I can not reply quick to the posts -
I must understand the post, analise it,
        sometimes translate to russian,
        check or prepare any past my posts
                 to which I intent to link from the reply
        prepare the text of the future quote -
         cut, paste and reformat it in my manner..
        Usually I am interested to devide the quote
         to consiquent parts to follow each part by a comment.
        But imagine at that moment there are no
                                   the headers of the lines
                                   from the future quotes!
        There are several places in the common project of the reply
        where I will need to insert
        the appropriate header of the quote.
            Or more than of one quote of more than of one poster.

        After then..
        I CONNECT ONLY TO GET THE HEADERS OF THE NEEDED QUOTES .
       
        Having disconnected
        I begin to manipulate with the quote headers
        ( and [ /quote ]s )
          inserting them between the lines of my project..

        Pay attention that I do not tell you in details
        how I hang around the global quotes..

        Then I check the reply project seven times.

        Uff.. I obligatorilly save the original of the post
              in my local .txt file.
              Then I connect, post the message and disconnect.
              Hura-a !
              Immediately after posting I must remember
              to save the post with my new reply
              from cash to local .htm-file library.
              I can refer the local files later if necessary.
        It will be VERY usefull
                        to have the ready quotes in topic files.


        What a hell! I have forgot to extract the needed quotes
                     from the next topic which is in my cash.
              I have it before my eyes!     ... without quotes.

              Do you hear how my telephone cracles again ?

gri

Now I see three types of replies.. Excellent.

JayBachatero addresses to me and I am thus invited to reply him.

Ben_S uses my quote and I can no more than assume by default
      that it is also addressed to me.. as well as for public.

eldacar seems have lost time to prepare the quote manually
        and it is necessary to read the text of the quote
        and the reply itself
        to understand that his (or maybe her, sorry) reply
        is very interesting for me too.

So now I intend to prepare three simple replies.
To get the three quotes.. I restore the connection
   and gather three quotes of sequent posters
   in the common "Quick Reply" window.

Please wait a few minites during the connection..

crrrrrrrrrrrrrhrrrrrrrrrrurrrrrrrrrrrrrrkrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


























piiiiiiiiii          piiiiiiiiii          piiiiiiiiii         


Do you understand that I have already disconnected ?

Now I begin cut and paste the three-quoted text
and insert my comments after each of the quote.
I also prefer to reply each opponent in each separate post.

----
There is a feature in SMF - quick moderation.
In case of "checkbox" there appears a checkbox in each post
and the single clicking of the Delete button
will remove the checkboxed posts.

Similarly, why not to have a separate replyboxes in each post
provided with the prepared quote and a checkbox ?

Then the single clicking of the "POST CHECKED REPLIES"
would post the text in the checked replyboxes
to separate (or optionally to the common) public posts

IN A ONE SHORT CONNECTION SESSION.

(I think now about the Users of the forums
where administrator do not consider the "Post from E-Mail" Mod
to be usefull for the Users

or which just have no such a mod before his eyes.)

gri

Quote from: JayBachatero on October 24, 2005, 04:06:41 PM
Gri it is posbbile for users to turn it on and off.
all they have to do is go to Profile >
Look and layout preferences >
Use quick reply on topic display:
and the user selects its option.

JayBachatero,
No, -
      the Users have to post the question "how to turn it on",
                        wait the reply..
                                           and after that


they can go to Profile >
Look and layout preferences >
Use quick reply on topic display:
and the user selects its option.

gri

Quote from: Ben_S on October 24, 2005, 04:07:08 PM
Quote from: gri on October 24, 2005, 04:03:32 PM
Firstly we can assume that he is a User, not an administrator,

Ben_S,
Seeing as he's posting here, we can logically assume he is an administrator,
if he's a user, he's asking in the wrong place.

An administrator which don't know about the Quick Reply ?
He is just the User who has installed the program.

For a long time I was a User only
and thanks to this forum - I have an access
                           to the admin panel now.

But I still have many questions.
Where a User of my forum can get the answers ?
We have the same questions with the Users -
the only difference is that I can see now
  the danger for Mankind built in SMF,
and a User does not yet see it.

gri

Quote from: eldacar on October 24, 2005, 10:08:50 PM
Quotethen the administrator should not have the ability
to deny it.

So.. SM should dictate what thousands of administrators
     on private boards on private servers can and cannot do
     with features like a quick reply.
  Oh yes, that would be a wonderful idea.

eldacar,
No, -
      people should dictate to SM
      which features can be implemented in Human Communities
      and which should be denied or restricted.

Why are you silent about hundreds of Users under each administrator
who dictate the Users..
                        which of their posts should be removed ?

JayBachatero

Quote from: gri on October 25, 2005, 02:56:20 PM
Quote from: JayBachatero on October 24, 2005, 04:06:41 PM
Gri it is posbbile for users to turn it on and off.
all they have to do is go to Profile >
Look and layout preferences >
Use quick reply on topic display:
and the user selects its option.

JayBachatero,
No, -
      the Users have to post the question "how to turn it on",
                        wait the reply..
                                           and after that


they can go to Profile >
Look and layout preferences >
Use quick reply on topic display:
and the user selects its option.


This makes no sense to me.
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redone

This is a confusing thread.

1MileCrash

gri what it your native language? are you like a poet?
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JayBachatero

Quote from: Tippmaster on October 25, 2005, 04:28:56 PM
gri what it your native language? are you like a poet?

LMAO.  Finally.  I though it was just me confused.  I barely understand half the stuff he writes :P
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Julie

Although its lengthy I understand where he's coming from...

Basically SMF has a lot of excellent features that are set to 'off' by default. A lot of times I will think of an idea for a mod and then come here and someone has already suggested it and been told it was a feature.

What he was saying is that if everything was set to ON by default, both admin and users can see what features are available and then choose to turn it off if they dont want it.

Its a waste of everyones time for them to come here or trawl through every single option on their board before finding out it already exists...

Now i'm going to have to post a topic for my users telling them how they can turn ON quick reply...

gri

Quote from: julie on November 08, 2005, 06:17:49 AM
Although its lengthy I understand where he's coming from...

Basically SMF has a lot of excellent features
that are set to 'off' by default.
A lot of times I will think of an idea for a mod
and then come here and someone has already suggested it
and been told it was a feature.

What he was saying
is that if everything most of significant features
was set to ON by default,
both admin and users can see
what features are available and then choose
                   to turn it off if they dont want it.

Its a waste of everyones time for them
to come here or trawl through every single option
on their board before finding out it already exists...

Now i'm going to have to post a topic for my users
telling them how they can turn ON quick reply...


julie,
Thank you.

Here is additional one solution
to the correctly selected set of settings
                   switched ON by default.

A new user both while authorizing himself
                for the first time
                        and in any time later
      could refer to online recommendations
            of how to change the key settings
    with detailed linked explanations
         of why these settings are set to ON
                              (or OFF) by default.
{
  For an example You can go through
  "Those authorized" link in my signature
      and overcome.. the authorization procedure

  which will be improved due to your feedback.
}


The same links to public topics
should be added inside a profile
                 to heading names of the settings.
  These explaining links should be certainly
                   language dependable
           and each administrator
         could change or add any link
      if he consider that general link
                     disagrees good sense.

A User can not change the links of his settings names
  but then he can link to the live discussion
                  to say his "NO".
For example:
~"NO" feature request~
<< http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=54230.msg381169#msg381169 .

It was my relatively ~Quick Reply~. Wasn't it ?

gri

#20
Quote from: Tippmaster on October 25, 2005, 04:28:56 PM
gri what it your native language? are you like a poet?

Tippmaster,
unfortunately the Language Tag mod
does not yet operate with russian
but you can use one of manual online translators

http://imtranslator.net
http://free-translation.imtranslator.com
http://translation.paralink.com
http://www.translate.ru
http://www.online-translator.com

to evaluate the sense assonance
                         with the prose of life
in this poem
<< http://over.lux-mundi.co.uk/night/index.php?topic=51.msg77#msg77 .

I ask of somebody to translate the text
from Russian to English.

Later I will request the translations
to other languages

and will add the links to them.

I am not waiting for a quick reply..

Kindred

Gri.. I have to disagree... Honestly, I think the forum should be completely bare to begin with. *ALL* options should be OFF and the admin can then turn ON only the ones that he/she wants to use.
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gri

Quote from: snakize on December 23, 2005, 04:19:36 AM
I remember in the SMF 1.05 i use to be able to put the Fast reply option or quick reply option

But how do i do it in the new version of SMF?
I can't seem to find the option

Snakize,
               ask julie to publish global topic for the users

Quote from: "url=http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=54224.msg390442#msg390442]Julie in ~Quick reply~ date=1131448669[/url]"]
What he was saying is that if everything was set to ON by default,
both admin and users can see what features are available
and then choose to turn it off if they dont want it.

Its a waste of everyones time for them
to come here or trawl through every single option on their board
before finding out it already exists...

Now i'm going to have to post a topic for my users
telling them how they can turn ON quick reply...

Teknomancer

Quote from: Oldiesmann on October 24, 2005, 10:33:53 AM
Gri, I don't think that's what he was talking about...

Oxide: Profile -> Look and Layout Preferences
Set "Use quick reply on topic display" to "Show, on by default"

To change this for all members who register in the future:
Admin -> Current Theme's Settings -> Reset default member specific options (1.0.5) / Admin -> Current Theme -> Reset Options -> Reset default (guest) options for this theme (1.1)

To change it for all current users:
1.0.5 - Admin -> Current Theme's Settings -> Reset member specific options for all members
Check the box next to "Use quick reply on topic display" and set it to "Show, on by default"

1.1 - Admin -> Current Theme -> Reset Options -> Reset all member's current options for this theme
Select "Change" next to "Use quick reply on topic display" and set it to "Show, on by default"

I must be lucky today, I'm finding all the answers without even asking!! LOL :D
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Sheepy

For users and want-a-forum-quick, it would be nice to have many options (Quick Reply & page stat comes into mind) on.  However an admin sensitive to resource usage may prefer all options off.  I don't believe SMF is making a good balance between the two extremes at this moment, if it is possible at all.  Why isn't it possible to have it set at installation?

cylonite

Quote from: Oldiesmann on October 24, 2005, 10:33:53 AM
Gri, I don't think that's what he was talking about...

Oxide: Profile -> Look and Layout Preferences
Set "Use quick reply on topic display" to "Show, on by default"

To change this for all members who register in the future:
Admin -> Current Theme's Settings -> Reset default member specific options (1.0.5) / Admin -> Current Theme -> Reset Options -> Reset default (guest) options for this theme (1.1)

To change it for all current users:
1.0.5 - Admin -> Current Theme's Settings -> Reset member specific options for all members
Check the box next to "Use quick reply on topic display" and set it to "Show, on by default"

1.1 - Admin -> Current Theme -> Reset Options -> Reset all member's current options for this theme
Select "Change" next to "Use quick reply on topic display" and set it to "Show, on by default"

i love you man!!! i was looking all over the forum to enable quick reply and also go to topics after post. i finally found your post for smf1.1 rc1 and it rocks. thank you for the great support :D you guys rock :D

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