please look at my forum. Need refresh few times then forum will show

mnn2 · August 31, 2016, 01:02:17 AM

Please help looking at my fresh install forum: hkforum.org

I need refresh few times then the forum will show. What went wrong?

mnn2 · August 31, 2016, 04:40:48 AM

Any clue of what went wrong?

Grammy · August 31, 2016, 07:22:24 AM

Although I don't know what's causing this, I can confirm to anyone else who sees your post that I just tried it on several browsers and I also have to refresh several times to see the forum. It may have something to do with a redirect (the directory "english") while loading.

Be patient and don't bump the thread, someone will be by soon who can sort it.

mnn2 · August 31, 2016, 08:08:53 AM

Quote from: Grammy on August 31, 2016, 07:22:24 AM
Although I don't know what's causing this, I can confirm to anyone else who sees your post that I just tried it on several browsers and I also have to refresh several times to see the forum. It may have something to do with a redirect (the directory "english") while loading.

Be patient and don't bump the thread, someone will be by soon who can sort it.

My domain index page content:

hkforum.org/index.html

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<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
    <head>
<meta charset="UTF-8">
        <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=http://hkforum.org/english/" />
<script type="text/javascript">
            window.location.href = "http://hkforum.org/english/"
        </script>
        <title>Page Redirection</title>

    </head>
    <body>
If you are not redirected automatically, click <a href='http://hkforum.org/english/'>here</a>.
            </body>
</html>

I think there is nothing unusual for the redirect html index page there, right?

Grammy · August 31, 2016, 08:49:33 AM

I'm not qualified to say. My redirects are all done from within my server's CP, rather than hard-coded into the index page. But I see that others have logged into SMF who will able to weigh in.

Then again, the redirect may not even be the issue.

Siirist · August 31, 2016, 09:41:33 AM

Quote from: mnn2 on August 31, 2016, 08:08:53 AM

My domain index page content:

hkforum.org/index.html

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<!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=http://hkforum.org/english/" /> <script type="text/javascript"> window.location.href = "http://hkforum.org/english/"
This and all the above are using "
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</script> <title>Page Redirection</title> </head> <body> If you are not redirected automatically, click <a href='http://hkforum.org/english/'>here</a>.
This link is using '
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</body> </html>

I think there is ~~nothing~~ something unusual for the redirect html index page there~~, right~~?

Just my thoughts,
Siirist

Matthew K. · August 31, 2016, 11:30:08 AM

It's indeed (probably) taking so long because of the redirect. It's a front end redirect meaning the entire document has to be loaded by your browser prior to it redirecting you.

Try this. Replace your index.html with an index.php that just has this:

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<?php
header('Location: http://hkforum.org/english');

That will redirect you from server-side so the delay will be less - there's no DOM to be loaded by your browser and then have your browser do the lifting to redirect when it's complete.

Although honestly the best way would be with a .htaccess 301 redirect.

mnn2 · August 31, 2016, 12:07:32 PM

Quote from: тнє נя. on August 31, 2016, 11:30:08 AM
It's indeed (probably) taking so long because of the redirect. It's a front end redirect meaning the entire document has to be loaded by your browser prior to it redirecting you.

Try this. Replace your index.html with an index.php that just has this:
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<?php header('Location: http://hkforum.org/english');
That will redirect you from server-side so the delay will be less - there's no DOM to be loaded by your browser and then have your browser do the lifting to redirect when it's complete.

Although honestly the best way would be with a .htaccess 301 redirect.

I already changed the index to php. But the problem still there.

Need to refresh many times then the forum only showing.

Matthew K. · August 31, 2016, 12:19:29 PM

What is the content of your index.php file? Did you put JUST what I said to put in it?

mnn2 · August 31, 2016, 12:37:10 PM

Quote from: тнє נя. on August 31, 2016, 12:19:29 PM
What is the content of your index.php file? Did you put JUST what I said to put in it?

Yes, I just put exactly like what you said.

Matthew K. · August 31, 2016, 01:34:32 PM

I'm curious how you've setup your forum. It's either how you have it configured or something with Apache possibly (.htaccess?)

You know that SMF is translated into many different languages, so you could just have your main site with multiple language packs installed instead of having two separate directories?

mnn2 · August 31, 2016, 01:41:18 PM

Quote from: тнє נя. on August 31, 2016, 01:34:32 PM
I'm curious how you've setup your forum. It's either how you have it configured or something with Apache possibly (.htaccess?)

You know that SMF is translated into many different languages, so you could just have your main site with multiple language packs installed instead of having two separate directories?

I installed straight from default English version. Only English version.

Matthew K. · August 31, 2016, 03:03:17 PM

I know that, I can tell. But why if you have separate directories for each language? Do you have another copy of your forum running in another directory?

mnn2 · September 01, 2016, 01:33:34 AM

Quote from: тнє נя. on August 31, 2016, 03:03:17 PM
I know that, I can tell. But why if you have separate directories for each language? Do you have another copy of your forum running in another directory?

I am on Sentora hosting panel. In my hosting package, I only have one copy of SMF forum running.

I am not sure whether there is other SMF forum running on the same server.

Grammy · September 01, 2016, 07:24:34 AM

Why do you feel you need a redirect to a separate "english" directory? You should consider installing the forum, as is, without a redirect, and then installing the necessary additional language packs. Then you could just allow your users to select the language they need.

http://download.simplemachines.org/?smflanguages

mnn2 · September 01, 2016, 07:41:03 AM

Quote from: Grammy on September 01, 2016, 07:24:34 AM
Why do you feel you need a redirect to a separate "english" directory? You should consider installing the forum, as is, without a redirect, and then installing the necessary additional language packs. Then you could just allow your users to select the language they need.

http://download.simplemachines.org/?smflanguages

It's permitted to install SMF on sub folder. So, it will give me option in the future to use other application from the domain homepage.

But that is not my issue. The problem now is my SMF forum is not working. Need many refreshes before can see anything.

Grammy · September 01, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

Quote from: mnn2 on September 01, 2016, 07:41:03 AM
It's permitted to install SMF on sub folder. So, it will give me option in the future to use other application from the domain homepage.

But that is not my issue. The problem now is my SMF forum is not working. Need many refreshes before can see anything.

Most people DO install SMF into its own subfolder, that's not the issue. But when they do, the sub-directory is part of the link given out to the public as the way to access the forum. In fact, if I go straight to your forum with this link, your forum loads instantly:

http://hkforum.org/english/

Instead of this link, which needs the redirect:

http://hkforum.org/

Your root domain is hkFORUM.org, which hints that you intend the domain to be used only for a forum. If you do, then you should have put the forum into the root. But if you wanted SMF in a separate directory, perhaps you should have either named that directory something else (since English is the default language for SMF) or if not, then give that first link I showed you as the official link when you direct users to your forum.

EDIT: You appear to have changed something, since going to the direct link (/english) was loading instantly for me before and now behaves as the original link (with the redirect). But if you insist on having a redirect, that's what's causing the need to refresh.

mnn2 · September 01, 2016, 09:07:08 AM

I hope someone will offer help.

Redirect or not is not causing the problem.

Now I even change back the hkforum.org/index.html to static content.

Same old problem.

Grammy · September 01, 2016, 09:12:26 AM

Quote from: mnn2 on September 01, 2016, 09:07:08 AM
I hope someone will offer help.

Redirect or not is not causing the problem.

Now I even change back the hkforum.org/index.html to static content.

Same old problem.

Do you actually own the domain hkforum.org, or are you simply hosting your forum on it and it has to be in its own directory?

Either way, if you install SMF into its own directory, fresh out of the zip, the way it comes (again, English is the default; there's no need to redirect to it) then it should load just fine, provided your URL goes straight to the directory, instead of redirecting. So, if for example, you loaded SMF into a directory called "community" the address would be hkforum.org/community. But, since you don't agree that the redirect is causing the issue, then yes, sit tight, and someone else will read this and sort it for you.

(You should not have a separate index.html in the same directory as your forum.)

Good luck.

Matthew K. · September 01, 2016, 09:30:37 AM

Why would you change it back to a frontend redirect? That definitely increases the redirect time, I guarantee it. My guess is this problem is an issue with either a .htaccess or your forums configuration.

mnn2 · September 01, 2016, 09:34:28 AM

Quote from: Grammy on September 01, 2016, 09:12:26 AM
Quote from: mnn2 on September 01, 2016, 09:07:08 AM
I hope someone will offer help.

Redirect or not is not causing the problem.

Now I even change back the hkforum.org/index.html to static content.

Same old problem.

Do you actually own the domain hkforum.org, or are you simply hosting your forum on it and it has to be in its own directory?

Either way, if you install SMF into its own directory, fresh out of the zip, the way it comes (again, English is the default; there's no need to redirect to it) then it should load just fine, provided your URL goes straight to the directory, instead of redirecting. So, if for example, you loaded SMF into a directory called "community" the address would be hkforum.org/community. But, since you don't agree that the redirect is causing the issue, then yes, sit tight, and someone else will read this and sort it for you.

(You should not have a separate index.html in the same directory as your forum.)

Good luck.

hkforum.org/index.html

hkforum.org/english/ <== SMF here

mnn2 · September 01, 2016, 09:36:08 AM

Quote from: тнє נя. on September 01, 2016, 09:30:37 AM
Why would you change it back to a frontend redirect? That definitely increases the redirect time, I guarantee it. My guess is this problem is an issue with either a .htaccess or your forums configuration.

Fresh install. Not touch any setting at all.

Grammy · September 01, 2016, 09:51:45 AM

Quote from: mnn2 on September 01, 2016, 09:34:28 AM
hkforum.org/index.html

hkforum.org/english/ <== SMF here

SMF doesn't use index.html. It uses its own index.php. You shouldn't have both in the same directory.

But, perhaps I misunderstand and you're saying that the index.html in the root is supposed to take you to the "english" directory. My problem is that I don't understand why. If you're saving that root directory for something in the future, the redirect will cause big problems, when someone tries to go to the main root site for any purpose other than the forum.

Kindred · September 01, 2016, 10:45:48 AM

I am betting that he has put in two or three redirects, between the index.html, .htaccess and maybe a host-side one as well

since the forum, DIRECTLY works just fine, it seems pretty clear that it is the redirect that is getting confused. If I had some network tools available right now, I would bet that I would see criss-crossing redirects trying to take control

Grammy · September 01, 2016, 10:52:52 AM

He said in the beginning that he wanted to save his root domain for something in the future. The redirect is confusing to me because, suppose he decided in the future, that he wanted his root domain to be a flower shop... If I wanted to go to hkforum.org to buy flowers, I couldn't.... because it would keep redirecting me to the forum. It just seems problematic, in the grand scheme of things. $:-\$

Siirist · September 01, 2016, 01:18:10 PM

mn2,

The thing that everyone is saying is that you are creating the problem with the re-directs.

It is like trying to swim up the river. Get out of the river and walk. Like this.

If you want to save the root as a possible webpage that is fine.

Have the root load (your_domain(DOT)org/ {index.html is assumed or taken for granted})

Have a basic webpage with only a link to hxxp:www(DOT)org/english/index.php)

The visitor clicks the link because that is the ONLY thing on the webpage, and then your forum loads.

Here is a sample of a webpage I have that has a link to the forum in the menu.
hxxp:www.asanctuary.net/

Maybe this simple way will help you.

Be Well,
Siirist

Kindred · September 01, 2016, 01:20:22 PM

having the forum in a subdirectory is just fine. many admins do it that way.... and it does making adding things like wordpress, a wiki, etc easier in some respects... but the issue here is that whatever he has done for redirects are totally screwed up

it IS possible to bounce the user directly to the subdirectory using an htaccess redirect.
He seems to be using a body and/or header redirect... and probably other redirects as well, which conflict, forcing the system to bounce bounce bounce... and eventually, you get a good connection.

Siirist · September 01, 2016, 02:38:18 PM

Quote from: Kindred on September 01, 2016, 01:20:22 PM
having the forum in a subdirectory is just fine. many admins do it that way.... and it does making adding things like wordpress, a wiki, etc easier in some respects... but the issue here is that whatever he has done for redirects are totally screwed up

it IS possible to bounce the user directly to the subdirectory using an htaccess redirect.
He seems to be using a body and/or header redirect... and probably other redirects as well, which conflict, forcing the system to bounce bounce bounce... and eventually, you get a good connection.

Precisely Kindred,

That is exactly why I suggested what I did and provided an example that shows placing a link on the page through a menu.

Be Well,
Siirist

mnn2 · September 01, 2016, 11:59:01 PM

I don't understand why you guys don't understand

.

The index.html at domain root => hkforum.org/index.html

Here is the code which is static html. Visit to this domain hkforum.org just click this link to enter the forum.

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<a href="http://hkforum.org/english">enter forum http://hkforum.org/english</a>

I installed SMF at hkforum.org/english/

so that SMF index is at http://hkforum.org/english/index.php

When visitors clicks within SMF forum, all links are within hkforum.org/english/ and has nothing to do with redirect.

I already said, I did not set anything in htaccess.

Just fresh install of SMF.

Kindred · September 02, 2016, 12:53:07 AM

We do understand.

You have something causing multiple bounces, etc.
Whatever it is, it is not actually related to smf, because smf - when accessed directly works without delays or refreshes.

mnn2 · September 02, 2016, 01:22:56 AM

Quote from: Kindred on September 02, 2016, 12:53:07 AM
We do understand.

You have something causing multiple bounces, etc.
Whatever it is, it is not actually related to smf, because smf - when accessed directly works without delays or refreshes.

I am afraid that was incorrect. Try visit this http://hkforum.org/english/index.php and copy recent posts' links and then visit these pages directly. Still need many refreshes before the forum will show anything.

Kindred · September 02, 2016, 01:27:45 AM

You have something very misconfigured on your server...

mnn2 · September 02, 2016, 01:35:30 AM

Quote from: Kindred on September 02, 2016, 01:27:45 AM
You have something very misconfigured on your server...

How and where to check?

Illori · September 02, 2016, 05:15:36 AM

if you are not the owner of the server, contact your host and ask them to help you out. this is why you pay them.

mnn2 · September 02, 2016, 06:00:38 AM

Quote from: Illori on September 02, 2016, 05:15:36 AM
if you are not the owner of the server, contact your host and ask them to help you out. this is why you pay them.

At least I must know what went wrong first.

Illori · September 02, 2016, 06:17:40 AM

that is what your host should be able to tell you.

mnn2 · September 04, 2016, 06:49:43 PM

Strange thing happened.

1. My web host told me nothing wrong.

2. I did new installation at http://hkforum.org/intl/

If access SMF forum using Administrator account everything is OK. If using guess account (means not log in), there is problem and need many refresh before the forum is showing anything.

I think it's permission problem. But it's fresh install and I never change any permission setting.

Who want to test my forum using Administrator account?

Kindred · September 04, 2016, 07:56:24 PM

There is no permission in smf that would cause that behavior

mnn2 · September 04, 2016, 08:09:07 PM

Quote from: Kindred on September 04, 2016, 07:56:24 PM
There is no permission in smf that would cause that behavior

So, do you want to test my forum using administrator account? I can PM you the name and password.

It works every time if using administrator account.

Kindred · September 04, 2016, 09:17:37 PM

What mods do you gave installed?

mnn2 · September 05, 2016, 07:55:58 AM

Quote from: Kindred on September 04, 2016, 09:17:37 PM
What mods do you gave installed?

I downloaded SMF zip from smf website. Then unpacked in my PC. Then upload SMF files & folders to server using FTP. Then continue the installation on the server.

That's it. The problem is reproduce-able every time.

I have not install any mod.

Once I logged out as administrator, the problem happens.

If I logged on back with administrator account, everything is OK. If I create additional administrator account, then using that new administrator account also working fine too.

Do you want to test my forum using administrator account? I can PM you the account name and password.

Ricky. · September 05, 2016, 09:40:16 AM

Currently forum is not available at all, showing Sentora default page, have removed it or reinstalling ?

mnn2 · September 05, 2016, 10:32:02 AM

Quote from: Ricky. on September 05, 2016, 09:40:16 AM
Currently forum is not available at all, showing Sentora default page, have removed it or reinstalling ?

New installation at http://hkforum.org/intl/

Kindred · September 05, 2016, 02:03:15 PM

there has to be a problem with your configuration (which is not due to admin or permissions) because I can not duplicate this issue after trying on 5 different hosts...

mnn2 · September 05, 2016, 02:37:01 PM

Quote from: Kindred on September 05, 2016, 02:03:15 PM
there has to be a problem with your configuration (which is not due to admin or permissions) because I can not duplicate this issue after trying on 5 different hosts...

Strange but true.

My forum works fine using administrator account.

mnn2 · September 05, 2016, 03:35:07 PM

Ok guys,

it looks like SMF is not usable for me.

I have to use phpbb for this project. Here is my latest installation of phpbb at http://hkforum.org/v1/

For phpbb, it works fine for administrator or guest accounts.

News:

please look at my forum. Need refresh few times then forum will show