IVv6

[sky23]

How to see the real IP of these strange "guests?"

[Illori]

http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=3051

[sky23]

Yes, it shows the ipv6 adress then..if you click on the member name..
but...bann ip's is not working after you install this...so..not useful
should be most important for the developers that the admin see's
who is visiting him..right?

[Illori]

then post in the mods support topic explaining the issues.

[Linkjay]

You could consider disabling IPv6 support on your machine until SMF officially supports it. I did that on mine and everything works fine and now I can see everyone's IPs properly.

[sky23]

then you are lucky, it's disabled, but with what results? showing only...nothing, empty spaces by me, if someone uses ipv6 protocol

[Illori]

then you need to install the mod linked above.

[Kindred]

besides banning by IP is mostly useless anyway

[sky23]

useless? i don't think so, banning by whole ip range: xxx.xxx.xxx-255.*  is useless?
why so, Kindred?

[Arantor]

Because the odds of you stopping the spammers are much slimmer than you think. And if the goal is to prevent miscreants from coming back, it's easy to get a new IP address, often as simple as resetting the router. Or getting any one of the many, many proxies out there.

And this problem will be much worse with IPv6, where it is possible to burn through new IP addresses at a ferocious rate.

[sky23]

spiders? bots? and other unwelcomes? i dont understand you here..sorry

[Arantor]

You think you can ban spammers, spiders and bots faster than they can get new IP addresses? Interesting, but sadly wrong.

[Kindred]

normal spiders.. maybe.... but you don't want to ban normal spiders.
non-normal spiders and other "unwelcomes"?
They'll have a new IP address in 10 seconds after they see that their IP is blocked.... if it's a bot, it might take a full minute to retest from a different IP/proxy.

seriously... banning by IP address is useless

[sky23]

Disagree absolutely!
I banned whole Ip Ranges, want to see my log? Maybe you are surprised..
And nobody wants to ban "normal" spiders? Baidoo, Yantex and friends are normal? sorry...i dont think so!
Privacy should be the goal, not the developers "opinions" about that...
The choice for the Admin as he wish..thats my opinion!
I ban all kind of Spiders, successful, you bet!
And let me tell you, there are really nasty ones out there, like these nice guys, i would recommend each of you,
to ban these gangsters under all circumstances: http://www.guyellisrocks.com/2012/01/kintiskton-llc-ip-ranges.html

[Arantor]

Depends on your audience. For sites with an audience in China, Baidu is a thing. For Russia, Yandex is a thing.

Privacy is not necessarily the end goal, depends on your site, and to a point, sharing knowledge is the opposite of privacy...

[Kindred]

And...   using the SMF ban system to handle the bans of those ranges is also the wrong way to go about it.

If you really feel that you must ban an IP range, then use the DENY option in .htaccess - don't use the SMF ban system

[sky23]

Depends on your audience. For sites with an audience in China, Baidu is a thing. For Russia, Yandex is a thing.

Privacy is not necessarily the end goal, depends on your site, and to a point, sharing knowledge is the opposite of privacy...

We could talk endless, for what and why someone uses a forum. Somebody doesn't want to have uninvited "guests" even to see
a logo..others have a open and public forum.
It's about the choices, the admin has, with a forum.
Any yes! Me and many others do have this 'feel' to block whole ip-ranges, cause they simply want to be none-public!
Others not, so no problem.
And to mess around with htaccess? naaa..better not, have enough from crash's slowly

[Arantor]

And that was the objection with your argument, you were telling us that we should follow how you do it...

[sky23]

haha, Arantor, i guess you are the Legend, i am the newbie only, maybe you tell us, user and newbie friendly, how to do a none-public one, right?
no offense meant, i know the opinion's slowly from the developers here, about such things, haha, no offense meant

[Kindred]

Why not use .htaccess?   It's much more efficient than SMF's ban system, when it comes to banning by ip... and uses fewer resources.