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Started by Bigguy, March 29, 2018, 08:13:13 PM

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Bigguy

Running the latest SMF 2.1 and I have only one mod installed, the gallery. One custom theme made for SMF 2.1 named Vision. I have modified the theme a bit but mostly css. My first question is...Is the wysiwyg editor supposed to show up by default on quick reply. ?? Also, I have just found out I can not turn off the editor for some reason. There are no errors in the logs and this happens on the default theme as well.

"Use full editor in quick reply" is turned off in my profile but yet it still shows. I have turned cache off in SMF and cleared my own browser cache. Disable WYSIWYG editor is checked but yet it still shows. I have no idea what is going on. Anyone have any ideas.

Bigguy

Is this what the editor in the quick reply box is supposed to look like when the editor is disabled. I thought the quick reply wasn't suppose to have any of that if the editor is disabled.

Bigguy

Also, when i press spell check It says this at the bottom of the screen.

Draft last saved: Today at 07:29 PM

Something does not seem right at all. I have not edited the default theme in any way either.

Bigguy

When you turn the editor off the spell check button does nothing. When it's on It saves a draft, but no popup window. When you click the save draft it shows the pop up for that button like it is supposed to.

Antes

Just thinking out loud here, what is the point of having these settings for editor ? (I think there are 3-4), Removing all (I mean all) will ease the integration and code greatly IMO also (this is kinda a question) what is the gain from those settings, I mean what do the user(s) gain from not having editor.

Bigguy

It's nice to be able to turn it off if you don't want it. It's all about giving the user choices I guess.

Kindred

For example, I almost always disable wysiwyg editors...
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Quote from: Kindred on March 30, 2018, 09:26:46 AM
For example, I almost always disable wysiwyg editors...

Me too.  ;)

Bigguy

I like giving user the choice. I use them a lot. I find it handy. Just wish this one worked right.

Sesquipedalian

The toolbar buttons always load because that is the way SCEditor is designed to work. Here's what the settings in question are meant to do in SMF 2.1:

Show WYSIWYG editor on post page by default: Controls whether the editor initially loads in WYSIWYG mode or source mode. The full SCEditor loads in either case; this setting just determines which mode it loads in. So for folks like Kindred who prefer source mode, this setting will give them what they want.

Use full editor in Quick Reply: Controls whether all or only some parts of the editor toolbar are shown in the Quick Reply box. Most notably, the row of smilies is not shown when this is turned off. The basic toolbar buttons are still shown, and that is as intended.
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It occurs to me that the descriptive text for both of those settings could be clearer. Therefore, I've updated them in #4683.
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Antes

Quote from: Sesquipedalian on March 31, 2018, 11:39:36 PM
The toolbar buttons always load because that is the way SCEditor is designed to work. Here's what the settings in question are meant to do in SMF 2.1:

Show WYSIWYG editor on post page by default: Controls whether the editor initially loads in WYSIWYG mode or source mode. The full SCEditor loads in either case; this setting just determines which mode it loads in. So for folks like Kindred who prefer source mode, this setting will give them what they want.

Use full editor in Quick Reply: Controls whether all or only some parts of the editor toolbar are shown in the Quick Reply box. Most notably, the row of smilies is not shown when this is turned off. The basic toolbar buttons are still shown, and that is as intended.

Well this already changes the behavior of SMF 2.0, since you can completely turn off the editor in 2.0, which makes the settings more redundant.

Bigguy

At least someone still likes to help. Thanks for the answer and explaining that to me. It was very helpful.

Sesquipedalian

Quote from: Antes on April 01, 2018, 04:40:18 AM
Well this already changes the behavior of SMF 2.0, since you can completely turn off the editor in 2.0, which makes the settings more redundant.

I anticipate several complaints will come from crotchety old-timers long-time users about how 2.1 doesn't do things exactly the way 2.0 did things. But I expect zero complaints about these changes removing any actual functionality for the user.
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Kindred

Hey, I resemble that remark!      I don't care about changing the way things get done  (although I still disagree with putting the full editor in quick reply... LOL)

but, if there is no functionality removed, I have no major complaints. :P
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Quote from: Sesquipedalian on April 02, 2018, 03:29:54 AM
Quote from: Antes on April 01, 2018, 04:40:18 AM
Well this already changes the behavior of SMF 2.0, since you can completely turn off the editor in 2.0, which makes the settings more redundant.

I anticipate several complaints will come from crotchety old-timers long-time users about how 2.1 doesn't do things exactly the way 2.0 did things. But I expect zero complaints about these changes removing any actual functionality for the user.

I mean, I don't care if some old-people complains about certain things, I never did :P the point is, since the editor (the way it works) changed certain settings are no longer as effective as before so to simplify the code I suggest developers to think about removing those options... nothing more nothing less :P

Gwenwyfar

I really would not remove the default load mode option, having to toggle it on/off every time you post would be annoying, whatever the way you prefer and what the admin sets as default. Full editor mode: what is the supposed usefulness of that?

And which other 1-2 options are you referring to, Antes?
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Bigguy

Quote from: Antes on April 01, 2018, 04:40:18 AM
Well this already changes the behavior of SMF 2.0, since you can completely turn off the editor in 2.0, which makes the settings more redundant.

It would be nice to be able to turn things off on quick reply. Just my thought is all.

Sesquipedalian

Quote from: Kindred on April 02, 2018, 08:31:47 AM
Hey, I resemble that remark!      I don't care about changing the way things get done  (although I still disagree with putting the full editor in quick reply... LOL)

but, if there is no functionality removed, I have no major complaints. :P

I had no one in particular in mind. But if you see yourself reflected in that description, who am I to argue?  ;D

But no, there's no functionality removed. Turn off the option to use WYSIWYG by default, and you'll always get your non-WYSIWYG editor that you can type your raw BBC into just the way you like. :)

Quote from: Antes on April 02, 2018, 08:50:19 AM
I mean, I don't care if some old-people complains about certain things, I never did :P the point is, since the editor (the way it works) changed certain settings are no longer as effective as before so to simplify the code I suggest developers to think about removing those options... nothing more nothing less :P
Quote from: Gwenwyfar on April 03, 2018, 08:28:26 AM
I really would not remove the default load mode option, having to toggle it on/off every time you post would be annoying, whatever the way you prefer and what the admin sets as default. Full editor mode: what is the supposed usefulness of that?

And which other 1-2 options are you referring to, Antes?
Quote from: Bigguy on April 03, 2018, 02:22:20 PM
It would be nice to be able to turn things off on quick reply. Just my thought is all.

The options have been kept, but the descriptions have been updated to better explain what they do in 2.1:

  • "Show WYSIWYG editor on post page by default." → "Load editor in <abbr title="What You See Is What You Get">WYSIWYG</abbr> mode by default."
  • "Use full editor in Quick Reply" → "Use full editor toolbar in Quick Reply"
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Antes

New wording fine by me... Tho you should also change string in admin panel.

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