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Change the user's name and then delete it.

Started by Participant, January 02, 2022, 02:10:05 PM

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Steve

You have your answer and now the reason it's the way it is. If the discussion still continues, I'll lock this.
Please do not PM me for support. 

Participant

Arantor, As an administrator, what gives me such functionality? Can you give an example when such functionality is needed?
After all, I am an administrator, I use the forum and should probably understand some things. Or is this a thing not for administrators, but for forum developers?

Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen

Reattribute User Posts. It's built in functionality in SMF.
Available to you as administrator, within the admin panel.



Slava
Ukraini!


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efk

Quote from: Arantor on January 25, 2022, 04:03:28 AMBecause of the underlying functionality that copes with guest posts being promoted to regular account posts, this is used to be able to later differentiate posts made by the original guest posting and those made under a real account.

I don't expect you to understand, though, that other people have different use cases to yours, or that this is a courtesy giving you an explanation.
Wait, guests? Since I never allowed guests to post on any of my forums, could anyone give more details about this? This sounds as unexplored part of SMF. Does guests use *names while posting or just post as random guest? Is their IP recorded?

Arantor

Quote from: efk on January 25, 2022, 04:51:31 PMSince I never allowed guests to post on any of my forums, could anyone give more details about this? This sounds as unexplored part of SMF. Does guests use *names while posting or just post as random guest? Is their IP recorded?

Firstly it only really matters if you allow guest posting - and, frankly, who does except me? (Yes, I have a live forum with guest posts. I get surprisingly little spam.) Remember SMF has history and back in 2004 guest posting was less dramatic.

When a guest posts, they are invited to enter a name and an email, and their IP is recorded just like it is for anyone else posting. The name and email are verified against the ban lists as you'd expect and the name will be shown to anyone who happens to see the post.

Email is only viable to the usual folks with relevant permissions, of course.

But since it's possible to escalate from guest posts to full accounts as discussed, you might need to be able to keep the two separate from a management point of view even if the data is not usually exposed.
No good deed goes unpunished / All helpful urges should be circumvented

I have something to say: it's better to burn out than to fade away. There can be only one.

Participant

efk, create your own topic and discuss your questions there. You complicate the discussion of this topic: the more messages in the topic, the more difficult it is to understand it later - not everyone wants to read dozens of posts.

SpacePhoenix

Without flicking through the whole thread, I don't know if anyone has brought up the issue with a username being in posts where a post by the user in question has been quoted in a post

Arantor

Quote from: SpacePhoenix on January 26, 2022, 02:22:14 AMWithout flicking through the whole thread, I don't know if anyone has brought up the issue with a username being in posts where a post by the user in question has been quoted in a post

No, that's not been bought up and is infinitely more complex to address given that free form addressing can be used alongside the default quoting, e.g.

Quote from: ArantorBored of this debate now.
No good deed goes unpunished / All helpful urges should be circumvented

I have something to say: it's better to burn out than to fade away. There can be only one.

Steve

Quote from: Participant on January 25, 2022, 10:45:13 PMefk, create your own topic and discuss your questions there. You complicate the discussion of this topic: the more messages in the topic, the more difficult it is to understand it later - not everyone wants to read dozens of posts.
It was a valid question to ask here so chill.
Please do not PM me for support. 

efk

Quote from: Participant on January 25, 2022, 10:45:13 PMefk, create your own topic and discuss your questions there. You complicate the discussion of this topic: the more messages in the topic, the more difficult it is to understand it later - not everyone wants to read dozens of posts.
Dude its relevant subject to discuss. Being a topic starter doesn't means that you are the boss of topic nor topic belongs to you, everyone is allowed to participate if discussion can give more valued info. And You should be happy and grateful because you are getting more and more relevant info while this topic was supposed to be locked few days ago. Many of us noticed that this is unexplored part of SMF so You can find a lot of additional info which you can use for better control of what you can do with this software.

Such topics with rare info should be somehow tagged/listed as important.
I am very grateful to see old people from SMF posting and literally provoking some of us, so we are in mood MUST TO GO with testing something new.

Quote from: Arantor on January 25, 2022, 05:14:39 PMWhen a guest posts, they are invited to enter a name and an email, and their IP is recorded just like it is for anyone else posting. The name and email are verified against the ban lists as you'd expect and the name will be shown to anyone who happens to see the post.
Email is only viable to the usual folks with relevant permissions, of course.
But since it's possible to escalate from guest posts to full accounts as discussed, you might need to be able to keep the two separate from a management point of view even if the data is not usually exposed.
So guests are acting similar like newly registered users, they can register later as their info already reserves account with that name, and I guess increment number goes as for the next member the first time guest does his post and gets reserved ID for future registration.

Arantor

Quote from: efk on January 26, 2022, 12:06:21 PMSo guests are acting similar like newly registered users, they can register later as their info already reserves account with that name, and I guess increment number goes as for the next member the first time guest does his post and gets reserved ID for future registration.

Not exactly. The posts are *real* posts. They're not hidden away or anything (unless you have post moderation on for them), but will appear completely normally as if a member had made them.

Literally the only difference is that the post is from 'member id 0' with the name/email/IP embedded in the post just like it would normally anyway.

If you then decide to attribute posts, SMF will let you take these posts and attach them to an account if an account later exists - but the username/email is left originally just in case this matters to you (and/or in the case of integrations to external systems, e.g. Joomla which is also part of the rationale)
No good deed goes unpunished / All helpful urges should be circumvented

I have something to say: it's better to burn out than to fade away. There can be only one.

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