http://custom.simplemachines.org/themes/index.php?action=search;tableless=true
Almost all of these do use tables for layout.
I guess it will be a while before we ever get a non table template. Still hoping though.
Or maybe theme creators should know what that means. :P
It means a theme without tables..
Well obviously some people don't know that. Hehe
Think this could be fixed up?
Just put with a disclaimer. The 'tables' we were referring to, come with 4 chairs and table cloths. ;)
Hahahaha. What if it comes with a table, but no tablecloth?
Then you know your going to get coffee marks and other stains on your nice new table. ;)
Microsoft must have made those coffee cups...
;)
Quote from: metallica48423 on July 29, 2007, 12:34:23 AM
Microsoft must have made those coffee cups...
;)
On a tangent, I use ancient TechNet CDs for coasters.
i use bills :)
It should be changed to "semantic" because tables aren't bad.
Theme site is down now, but I'm pretty sure it says something along the lines of "Are tables used for layouts?" which is a fair question, and easier to understand than semantical :P
What if font is used all over the place? I think we should ask if it is semantic and explain what semantics means ;)
Seems to be a problem all over the place that people don't know what it means.
Is this theme sooooo Web '95?
Has the author embraced CSS-based Layouts/Style?
Which reminds me the other day, I was viewing a mod or theme (I can't' remember which). Font all over the place.
And the closing tags went something like
</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>
This is a pretty off-topic thread.. :P
Anyways, I think that option should be removed. Why? All templates use tables, meaning for a TRULY tableless theme, you'd need to edit EVERY default template file.
Quote from: Coldfx on July 31, 2007, 07:52:31 PM
Why? All templates use tables
But aren't going to forever (except for genuinely tabular data)...
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meaning for a TRULY tableless theme, you'd need to edit EVERY default template file.
Seen forsakenlad's new theme (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=185538.0)?
shouldnt there be 3 options
tables-normal (pretty much smf standard)
tables-less (meaning no tables except for tabular data)
tables-none (meaning no tables whatsoever)
Quote from: karlbenson on July 31, 2007, 09:33:12 PM
shouldnt there be 3 options
tables-normal (pretty much smf standard)
tables-less (meaning no tables except for tabular data)
tables-none (meaning no tables whatsoever)
So make the second 'tables-where appropriate' and you might have a winner!
But how about 'divs-where appropriate and not just as blanket replacements for superfluous tds' while we're at it? ;)
PS Better use dashes instead of hyphens as well, but just sticking with the given format! >:D
Or we could just come out with a decent default theme and then start requiring people to conform to the semantic standards :P
Quote from: Peter Duggan on July 31, 2007, 09:37:04 PM
Quote from: karlbenson on July 31, 2007, 09:33:12 PM
shouldnt there be 3 options
tables-normal (pretty much smf standard)
tables-less (meaning no tables except for tabular data)
tables-none (meaning no tables whatsoever)
So make the second 'tables-where appropriate' and you might have a winner!
But how about 'divs-where appropriate and not just as blanket replacements for superfluous tds' while we're at it? ;)
PS Better use dashes instead of hyphens as well, but just sticking with the given format! >:D
Ah, tableless makes me think tables = non-existant ;P
And to make a tableless layout, does that include editing index/Board/message/Display.template.php files?
P.S: Hey, why are you posting! You're supposed to be on vacation =P
Table-less layouts can still use tables for tabular data. The point is they don't use tables for the layout. Unfortunately, almost every theme that says it's table-less, uses tables for layout purposes!
It would be interesting if the default SMF 2.0 theme was tableless. :)
Do some searching for semantics
I would love to have the "old(from 1.1.x)" default-theme, tableless in 2.0 because its the base for my current theme developing....
And i would also love to see such a theme like in the new phpbb3 and VB Themes, where the user-data is above each post instead of next-to.. this of course also tableless
Regards, Christian
Quote from: g-c on August 13, 2007, 12:49:10 PM
I would love to have the "old(from 1.1.x)" default-theme, tableless in 2.0 because its the base for my current theme developing....
And i would also love to see such a theme like in the new phpbb3 and VB Themes, where the user-data is above each post instead of next-to.. this of course also tableless
Regards, Christian
Yes. Posts look more tidy and professional when the information is above it.
Quote from: L.G.S on August 13, 2007, 01:02:05 PM
Quote from: g-c on August 13, 2007, 12:49:10 PM
I would love to have the "old(from 1.1.x)" default-theme, tableless in 2.0 because its the base for my current theme developing....
And i would also love to see such a theme like in the new phpbb3 and VB Themes, where the user-data is above each post instead of next-to.. this of course also tableless
Regards, Christian
Yes. Posts look more tidy and professional when the information is above it.
Yes! And now look what it found in the internet:
http://forum.elxis.org/index.php?topic=1133.0 (http://forum.elxis.org/index.php?topic=1133.0)
Its such a Template for SMF! Looks very great and professional.... i want it to have! ;D :P
It hasn't been released though has it?
Quote from: L.G.S on August 13, 2007, 07:11:27 PM
It hasn't been released though has it?
Hmm i dont understand right what you mean.... I dont know if they ever will release their own template.... but it seems that it runs with the 1.1.x branch of SMF.
Hmm maybe ill ask them if they can tell us from where they got this template or if its self-made, if they will release it...
Regards, Christian
What I'm asking is if they actually released it for public use so we can download it. I've had a look around and it looks like they have made it, so they probably won't release any part of it.
I've always preferred the mini-profile to be on the left of each post, but there are themes on the theme site that have the mini-profile above the post.
And IMO, table less layouts just seems like a fad.
-ALM
"Table-less" designs are bad, semantic designs are good.
Tables, where they are appropriate, work great.
People who would take a spreadsheet and align it using divs are just a stupid as people who insist on using only tables for design.
Quote from: groundup on July 31, 2007, 09:44:21 PM
Or we could just come out with a decent default theme and then start requiring people to conform to the semantic standards :P
And if we DONT then we're "Anti-semantic" like Mel Gibson?? ?? ?
I think you mean "anti-semitic". I don't think anyone yet has assessed Mr. Gibson's views on semantic web design.
(Can the previous post be considered a case of Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law)?)
I don't see why tables are deprecated. They're good for tabular data! =O
Quote from: heavyccasey on August 13, 2007, 11:49:43 PM
I don't see why tables are deprecated. They're good for tabular data! =O
Which is their purpose. Semantic design uses tables where needed, on tabular data.
Quote from: Motoko-chan on August 13, 2007, 09:41:04 PM
I think you mean "anti-semitic". I don't think anyone yet has assessed Mr. Gibson's views on semantic web design.
...
^ Sniff.
You obviously haven't seen the websites for "Apocalypto" and "Passion of the Christ!" :D
Split the off-topic posts to http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=188836.0
Thanks for that.
Have any of the themes actually had their descriptions fixed yet?
<table border="0"><tr><td>
This theme DOESN'T use tables for layout
</td></tr></table>
;)
Ahh, the irony.
Bump.
Can you stop approving themes that say they're tableless when they're filled with tables please?
Quote from: ܝܠܕܟ on November 08, 2007, 10:37:10 AM
Bump.
Can you stop approving themes that say they're tableless when they're filled with tables please?
And edit the current ones that do..