I know it is burried somewhere as "in a few months"
just wondering if there was a better guess....
No one knows :P
Oh they know... who they are I can not say because they may be listening but know that they know...
lol, it is a conspiracy to keep you down.
Quote from: writeto on October 21, 2003, 07:13:50 PM
Oh they know... who they are I can not say because they may be listening but know that they know...
*hires a sniper for an unrelated reason.*
Where do you live again, writeto? Why do I ask... uh... no reason, no reason.
-[Unknown]
LOL Do u have other questions? :P
*bostasp builds a turret outside his front door...
...just incase i'm next
I come from France... yes that is it. I am in France.
*Must change profile and hope there is no backup.
would youplease stick to the topic .. pleeeeeeeease 8)
Release Date: When they are done...
We don't have a set release date. The second beta is now out to Chater Members which means a lot of progress is being made...once we get a bit closer we'll announce a public beta.
Quote from: gregy on October 23, 2003, 04:49:34 PM
would youplease stick to the topic .. pleeeeeeeease 8)
Sorry, but, if you'd been around here a little longer and read a little more of the stuff, you'd understand that this question has been asked too many times in too many different threads, so there's really no topic to stick to apart from the only two approved answers I can think of:
1. When it's ready.
2. We're not sure.
It's bad practice to set hard release dates....
-[Unknown]
Yeah, the SMF team doesn't want to be like a real software development group and give a new release date every 14.3 minutes.
This question has been asked about 20x this month and the answer never changes. Why don't you try and mix it up [Unknown]. Good replies to this question :
1. It is already ready but everytime somebody asked when it would be released we pushed it back 1 hour. It will now be release in 2012.
2. It is posted elsewhere on the forum I refuse to answer the same question twice.
3. This will be announced and displayed in a prominent area when the date is known, we are not trying to keep it a secret.
This list could go on forever, but you could at least try and amuse us while we wait. I mean it isn't like you have anything else to do.
Andrew
When I give answers like that people get mad at me. I was thinking of saying that I'm pretty sure it'll be done before you die, but then I get people going suicidal :P. (j/k)
And yeah.. err, I can go post a date in the administrator-only area and then start saying - quite truthfully - that it is posted somewhere on the forum... :P.
3 <-- good answer, my favorite. Actually true.
Yeah, my job is your guys' amusement. Start paying me for it then :P.
Again I'll say... if you want to be notified when it's available... just register. You will be notified, I'll make sure of that.
-[Unknown]
Quote from: [Unknown] on October 23, 2003, 07:10:02 PM
Again I'll say... if you want to be notified when it's available... just register. You will be notified, I'll make sure of that.
Was that a threat?
BTW great pun!!!
I like the release alot philosophy. mysql ab has it.
The release date is probably around next week sometime, but they don't want to say anything so that people will still buy charter memberships =p
Quote from: Shadow's Pawn on December 03, 2003, 02:28:48 PM
The release date is probably around next week sometime, but they don't want to say anything so that people will still buy charter memberships =p
but you'll still get the next betas before they are released to the general public, plus personal support.
I know, I was joking.
I don't know the release date but I do know that it's done when it's done ;)
Quote from: olger901 on December 14, 2003, 05:23:55 PM
I don't know the release date but I do know that it's done when it's done ;)
Who told you?!!? :P
-[Unknown]
Well for my two cents worth, and yes I know I'm probably going to get well and truly grilled for this, but it has been 4 months since YaBBSE went on the back-burner.
I can't speak for others but the bottom line is that I have been holding off and holding off and giving the dev team the time they need to develope this, but when it comes to talk of release dates etc I'm left blowing in the wind.
What worries me is that we have had a lot of hype about SMF being fast and furious, I agree it is but from a users perspective I see it that YaBBSE and its successor have stagnated for 4 months.
I keep logging in here regularly hoping to see some positive news about a planned release date but each time I find myself disappointed and leaving empty handed. Please don't go lecturing me about how hard it is or how long it takes to develope a product like this. I can fully understand it's a major undertaking, but surely by now the Dev Team has to acknowledge that the loyal members of this community who have sat patiently cannot be kept dangling with carrots ad infinitum.
I would be very grateful to see someone from the team take the lead, grab the bull by the horns and state that a release is planned for xxxx date. At least then we can see light at the end of the tunnel, because with the exception of a few posts by certain Dev Team Members all I ever seem to see is chit chat, word bomb and word association games.
/me sits back and waits for the onslaught, but hey, don't knock me. Some one has to say these things and I'm just saying it as I see it.
Fizzy it is hard to pinpoint a date because none of us are doing this fulltime. The amount of time put toward development isn't set at 8 hours a day so it is hard to judge that it will take such and such days because it isn't known how many hours can be spent each week.
As you can see from this board and from the Charter Members we are getting close to a release, just wait its coming sooner then you may think. ;)
Quote from: Gobalopper on December 14, 2003, 06:35:33 PM
Fizzy it is hard to pinpoint a date because none of us are doing this fulltime. The amount of time put toward development isn't set at 8 hours a day so it is hard to judge that it will take such and such days because it isn't known how many hours can be spent each week.
As you can see from this board and from the Charter Members we are getting close to a release, just wait its coming sooner then you may think. ;)
Unless someone feels like they want t pay me something like $50/hour to do that. (which isn't a lot in programming :P.)
You guys complain about the charter membership cost :P.
I put a lot of time into this, as do many others. It won't be ready tommorow, nor the very next day. If you can't wait, sorry. But if you think it's been stagnant, I guess a waterfall is too.
-[Unknown]
Actually, what have you been holding off on? install YSE and convert to SMF when it's ready like so many others. If you have been keeping up you'll knw that there are already several betas out there for Charter Members which means a public beta is getting closer....
Quote from: Fizzy on December 14, 2003, 05:58:11 PM
Well for my two cents worth, and yes I know I'm probably going to get well and truly grilled for this, but it has been 4 months since YaBBSE went on the back-burner.
I can't speak for others but the bottom line is that I have been holding off and holding off and giving the dev team the time they need to develope this, but when it comes to talk of release dates etc I'm left blowing in the wind.
What worries me is that we have had a lot of hype about SMF being fast and furious, I agree it is but from a users perspective I see it that YaBBSE and its successor have stagnated for 4 months.
No onslaught here, but two simple statements from my own perspective:
1. I haven't converted any of my 'live' YaBB SE boards to SMF yet, but that hasn't stopped them running as well as they ever did!
2. While this isn't the first post I've seen implying that YaBB SE has effectively been abandoned, it's as good a place as any to stress that some members of the team (including myself) and others (such as Shadow's Pawn) are still spending considerable time checking the YaBB SE boards and offering help to those who use it!
* you could purchase a charter membership and have the forum right
now.
* try optimizing your YaBB SE till they release SMF. I just added Smart
URL's to mine. Until Anguz writes a mod for SMF to use them, I
probably won't upgrade at all :)
* i can see progress on this forum every day, like in the feature
requests and approved/denied board. just recently, they revamped
the search and made a lot of good improvements.
* please encourage these guys, because they are doing this for free.
they could be making $50.00 or more working for someone else.
* on the other hand, don't flame Fizzy too much, because if nobody
harassed you for a release, there might be something lacking in your
product :)
Guys ! Guys ! Guys !
Do not read an attack on SMF where none is intended.
If you read through my posts you will see for yourselves that I am as much behind the SMF team as anybody.
What I am trying to get across here is that from a developers point of view things are progressing at a great pace, but from a idiot-users (that's me) perspective they are not.
My point about things being stagnant are simply this ... I have had nothing to do developing my forum for 4 months. Any changes would be futile because when it's released I will be converting to SMF because I know it will be that good.
We hear about the mystical template system - I love the sound of it, but we don't even get a clue of what it's capable of, let alone a chance to have a look at beta code.
This is the point i'm deperately trying to get across without being flamed. We are eager to get to grips with SMF so we can start developing our sites but because we aren't even given a ball-park release date we don't know if we are 6 hours or 6 months away from release.
As the dev team you have all the information to hand, you know how things are progressing, you can gauge how long you expect before release, you know roughly how much more work is involved. I, on the other hand, know diddley-squat ! I sit here and I haven't a clue if SMF is 10% finished or 95% finished - that's what I mean about light at the end of the tunnel, quite simply I haven't got one.
I stand by what I said in a previous post, I would like to see SMF released as a good product, but I do not understand the mysticism that surrounds keeping everybody here informed of how things are progressing.
I know that YabbSE users are still being supported with their queries or questions and I'm glad to see that, but as far as further developement is concerned YaBBSE is pretty much a dead stick when you compare it to 6 months ago. I'm sure we are all looking forward to the release of SMF but a little bit of feedback other than "soon" would go a long way. No-one would criticise the Dev team if you were to say "we will hopefully be looking to release in 3 weeks time" and for you then to find a problem that delays the project for X weeks, but at least it's giving something to the members other than "soon".
I don't knock the Dev Team and I have no intention of slurring their fantastic efforts. For me this issue isn't about labour hours, work schedules, pay rates or amount of dedication. I wholeheartedly appreciate and support the efforts that the whole team puts in both on the boards and behind the scenes - It's simply a matter of feedback guys.
I wouldn't mind if you said "Release planned for February", at least I know roughly what we are looking at.
Feedback - That's the only thing that I find lacking (other than a paycheck for all the hours you guys have put in on this)
QuoteAs the dev team you have all the information to hand, you know how things are progressing, you can gauge how long you expect before release, you know roughly how much more work is involved. I, on the other hand, know diddley-squat ! I sit here and I haven't a clue if SMF is 10% finished or 95% finished - that's what I mean about light at the end of the tunnel, quite simply I haven't got one.
Sorry, but we have A LOT MORE in common than you think right there.
Look. When I tell you that if I were to give you a date I would 100% CERTAINLY miss it, no question - I'm not joking. I'm being dead serious. So if I ever DO give a date, and it's not tommorow or the next day, there's ZERO chance it will be out even THAT WEEK. Trust me, I know myself and I know developing.
Edit: Final is different.... then I have to be done a couple weeks beforehand anyway. But, I can't give a date for THAT then either.
Dates and programming DO NOT MIX. I'm surprised someone was able to make a "strftime" function :P.
-[Unknown]
perhaps that'll be our xmas present, the public release ;D
/me runs for cover from [Unknown]'s snipers :P
Quote from: [Unknown] on December 15, 2003, 04:25:53 AM
Sorry, but we have A LOT MORE in common than you think right there.
Look. When I tell you that if I were to give you a date I would 100% CERTAINLY miss it, no question - I'm not joking. I'm being dead serious. So if I ever DO give a date, and it's not tommorow or the next day, there's ZERO chance it will be out even THAT WEEK. Trust me, I know myself and I know developing.
Edit: Final is different.... then I have to be done a couple weeks beforehand anyway. But, I can't give a date for THAT then either.
Dates and programming DO NOT MIX. I'm surprised someone was able to make a "strftime" function :P.
-[Unknown]
I hadn't really thought about it in that way.
I deal in projects with tangibles, schedules etc.
I appreciate that programming is a different kettle of fish all together but it hadn't ocurred to me that there are times when you can be focused on a goal and you don't realise you have achieved it until you look up and there it is, done.
I think I have a better understanding of what's going on now. Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me and I'm sorry if I make things hard work for the team sometimes, but sometimes people speak in different languages and I find it tricky to follow what's being said.
[Unknown] really has helped to clarify things now.
Cheers.
Llamas are dieing left and right with this thread . . .
:D
Quote from: Fizzy on December 15, 2003, 04:14:45 AM
...We hear about the mystical template system - I love the sound of it, but we don't even get a clue of what it's capable of, let alone a chance to have a look at beta code.
i don't know about SMF, but just installed Jack's customizable template mod on YaBB SE. it's cool. basically, lets you make a separate template for every board, plus includes a management system for it all. i imagine it's something like that. try it out on a test board.
or
Buy a charter membership and see for yourself today.
I think programming and schedules can gotogeather, just it is much harder with a free project such as this.
I think that programming and schedules have to go together. That is not to say that schedules don't change everyday... sometimes they do. But on most of the projects I have worked on we missed the first scheduled testing date, the second, and usually the third. I just think people work harder when they are approaching a release date. This project however is different. Most of the people developing SMF have other jobs or go to school. Any time they spend working on SMF is time that is effectively their "free time". Everybody waiting needs to realize this.
Andrew
According to the part of my brain that makes up random, useless, untrue remarks the public beta will be released in 4/5 weeks.
Quote from: alienine on December 16, 2003, 03:23:26 AM
According to the part of my brain that makes up random, useless, untrue remarks the public beta will be released in 4/5 weeks.
put in other words, you could do it like this
<?php
include(alienine/brain.php);
$arr = array('useless', 'random', 'untrue');
$release_date = brain_remark($arr);
?>could someone help me with the date/time functions to convert it to "weeks left"?
:P
I just wish there would be some development thing like phpbb is doing with the screenshots or whatever they are calling it, to let you download it and try it out while it's in development, that's cool, but yea, I'm still a bigger fan of this group, plus if they want to make some money off of their work then that's fine they deserve it for creating such great software.
There are screenshots http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=2414
that's funny Anguz...
let me ask it like this...what has to be completed before it can be released? you may not know when you'll finish, but you must know what has to be completed before you are willing to release it.
Quote from: Owdy on December 16, 2003, 07:35:37 AM
There are screenshots http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=2414
no no no, I'm talking about actual like up to date demos, you can download and they will act as a working board,
http://area51.phpbb.com/cvs/
that's what I'm talking about ^
Quote from: sneedo on December 16, 2003, 08:10:04 AM
Quote from: Owdy on December 16, 2003, 07:35:37 AM
There are screenshots http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=2414
no no no, I'm talking about actual like up to date demos, you can download and they will act as a working board,
http://area51.phpbb.com/cvs/
that's what I'm talking about ^
they do. it's called charter membership :)
I know I mentioned that in my first post :P
Snapshots is the word you're looking for ;).
-[Unknown]
Quote from: Owdy on December 16, 2003, 07:35:37 AM
no no no, I'm talking about actual like up to date demos, you can download and they will act as a working board,
http://area51.phpbb.com/cvs/
that's what I'm talking about ^
Quote from: pege on December 16, 2003, 08:38:03 AM
they do. it's called charter membership :)
Any ideas how much PHPBB is charging for their charter membership ?
they don't, phpBB is a GPL project, so you can download all the verisions free (including the beta verisions)
As will SMF be...the versions that the public DON'T get with phpBB are the ones the Charter members here get...
Quote from: writeto on December 15, 2003, 06:04:08 PM
I think that programming and schedules have to go together.
Well, my point is not that they can't go together. I sai they don't mix well. There's a big difference. It's possible that I could say I'd release it tommorow, and even get it released tommorow, but it would be bad that I did that.
-[Unknown]
i agree with you, but you can even give us a month ?
lol..
As writeo stated earlier, as this is a free project, it is near impossible to even comprehend knowing when it's going to be released. For instance, Unkown may have a rough idea in hs head of how much he thinks he might have left, but as the bugs anf wanted features keep building, that date will always get pushed back.
All the developers work on this in their free time, meaning, any sudden change in one erson's life on the team, drastically affects the development process as a whole. As I don't know the inner workings of SMF that well, I can only relate to the SP2 project Ilead back over at yabb.
Although at SP2, we have 4 devs, currently only one named Ron is really developing. The others of us may be at school, in exams, having family problems and the like. This having one developer drastically slows down development, but is unavoidable as all work done by other developers is done in free time. Therefore, if Ron happened to go on a business trip next week, development could be at a complete stop until either he gets back, or my exams finish, or Brian's school finishes, or gwyden can get back in devving.
Therefore, with a free project, it is not only difficult to even think about a possible release date, but it is near IMPOSSIBLE :)
Of course they could give us a rough preliminary estimated guess, so then everyone could complain when it wasn't done by then due to our feature requests and finding bugs, and stuff. And I'm sure the devs here would all look forward to having that enormous pressure to complete the project bearing down on them with such force that it turns their bodies into diamonds ;)
Quote from: truecrimson on December 17, 2003, 08:56:41 PM
such force that it turns their bodies into diamonds ;)
Ooh, shiny. I like diamonds :P.
-[Unknown]
Diamonds . . . what's the big deal? They're only CARBON!
Yeah, and most of you is made of carbon ::)
And pop is made with CARBONated water! :)
Well, after all the begging/whining/etc and all of these postings, I figure the release will happen when it happens. No hurry - YabbSE works fine for right now.
After all, I'm unemployed at the moment, got nothing better to do than see if:
A. Somebody will eventually hire me.
B. Doom3 will be released.
and/or
C. My search for information on whether my A7V333 rev 1.04 will support the XP Barton core 3000+ cpu will ever be completed without buying the chip itself to test.....
I'm patient...take as much time as you need....nobody needs a WindowsME type of forum, eh?
;)
Quote from: Yeehaw on December 18, 2003, 12:38:10 PM
nobody needs a WindowsME type of forum, eh?
;)
EXACTLY ;D
I read all the replies that the development team have made here and wonder... if people would just stay off their backs and let them work, would it get us the release any faster?
Please people... let them work and stop bugging them all the time!
Quote from: Amacythe on December 18, 2003, 09:52:17 PM
I read all the replies that the development team have made here and wonder... if people would just stay off their backs and let them work, would it get us the release any faster?
Please people... let them work and stop bugging them all the time!
ahh...they can always avoid this thread. plus, who would be motivated to work on a project that no one wanted to get their hands on? just be polite and grateful. one question that could be answered, though, is what has to be done before it can be released? if they don't know the answer to that one, then it might already be finished :).
If they are in the alpha phase still then it is possible that no one knows how much needs to be done. There are at least 3 developers that I have seen and no one knows how well they communicate. If they work like a normal developing team and distribute work (probaby based on time) then no one knows how far away they are. If they are actually in beta then all major functionality is done and they are simply testing. We won't know unless they fill us in.
I'd prefer to call the current state "pre beta." Not everything is done, no... and there's quite a lot to do. I have a long todo list, which is posted here and there where the other developers can get to it.
Don't worry, it's getting closer day by day. But I won't make any estimations, nor do I want to post a list so you guys can make estimations. Because peopl have a nasty habit of doing just that, and then holding people to those estimations. (oh come on, you should be done with x by now!)
-[Unknown]
Quote from: [Unknown] on December 19, 2003, 09:46:32 AM
I'd prefer to call the current state "pre beta." Not everything is done, no... and there's quite a lot to do. I have a long todo list, which is posted here and there where the other developers can get to it.
Don't worry, it's getting closer day by day. But I won't make any estimations, nor do I want to post a list so you guys can make estimations. Because peopl have a nasty habit of doing just that, and then holding people to those estimations. (oh come on, you should be done with x by now!)
-[Unknown]
agreed
it's such a pain in the backside to have ppl doing that >:(
Quote from: [Unknown] on December 19, 2003, 09:46:32 AM
I'd prefer to call the current state "pre beta."
Isn't that normally called "alpha" ? :D
Quote from: Fizzy on December 19, 2003, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: [Unknown] on December 19, 2003, 09:46:32 AM
I'd prefer to call the current state "pre beta."
Isn't that normally called "alpha" ? :D
"post alpha" then? :P
Quote from: Fizzy on December 19, 2003, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: [Unknown] on December 19, 2003, 09:46:32 AM
I'd prefer to call the current state "pre beta."
Isn't that normally called "alpha" ? :D
Ehh, its a little after alpha. ;) I refer to it as Beta but not yet a Release Canidate.
Quote from: David on December 19, 2003, 02:49:04 PM
Quote from: Fizzy on December 19, 2003, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: [Unknown] on December 19, 2003, 09:46:32 AM
I'd prefer to call the current state "pre beta."
Isn't that normally called "alpha" ? :D
Ehh, its a little after alpha. ;) I refer to it as Beta but not yet a Release Canidate.
Uh..wait a minute...
Is that Beta in Opensourcespeak or is it a Microsoft Beta(1)?
(1)Microsoft software terms and Opensource Equivalents
Microsoft term------------Opensource termAlpha-----------------------"Hey, what if we...?"
Beta------------------------Crashworthy
ReleaseCandiate-------------Alpha
Gold------------------------Beta
SP1-------------------------ReleaseCandidate
SP2-------------------------Gold
I'm an win2k/2k3 IT Admin (some enterprise-level *nix, to defend myself), so you can understand my confusion...
;D
Then by Microsoft Terms, Gold. ;)
We'll call that a "Belpha" then ? ?