After recent "happenings" here i have the impression that you stabbed the community in it's back.
And that is certainly the end of any good software.
I honestly liked to use the smf forum software but
i think i will switch to another where the staff is not split in half.
I will see what comes out of this site in a few weeks/months.
It was good to know you guys.
But this is something not taken lightly!
Try to hang in for awhile longer. They're at least talking so it might get resolved.
Yes, Do not run in haste. SMF isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Bah!
Its gettin' old already. SMF isnt going down or fade. Did you notice SMF is running RC3?
Wouldnt you think that if it was in trouble they be shut down by now?
Wether there is support staff or not, there will always be some, either the same ones or new ones.
Obviously SMF is not doing what theyre doing at this very moment for a lost cause ya know?
::sigh::
Worth mentioning...
SMF is free, it means that the folks who develop SMF have lives outside. They will work on it after they change diapers, get off work after 5, after they done their groceries, laundry, etc.
If SMF was a paid program, sure go ahead and ****** your best.
Haven't you noticed a drastic decrease in ( good ) themes and mods ?
Quote from: Magic_Mike on February 16, 2010, 10:59:39 AM
Haven't you noticed a drastic decrease in ( good ) themes and mods ?
You prefer mods and themes to come first over RC3?
I think every organization, company, etc. goes through some troubled times. That's what you get when you have something so large. Every so often people need to look at their priorities, their current direction and plans. Unfortunately sometimes it can turn out pretty bad, but a sure way to survive and continue better than before is to persevere. A sure way for failure is to give up at the first sign of trouble.
Honestly, I've been a bit worried at the state of things. I thought things were fine and dandy, then I came back to see drama all over the place. >_>;' But I'm not giving up quite yet. I've used SMF for years and I'm not going to leave over something like this. Hopefully things can be resolved in a way that benefits everyone, and then I'm sure once we all know the full story about everything we can make a better assessment.
as a theme maker myself at the moment with trasitional process of rc2 to rc3 reported to be in a short space of time really i personally havent been making so many themes simply because of having to change and update everything and for that reason i have a lot of themes on hold at the moment
also with the recent shift of the default theme to curve a lot of people are still learning how to code/theme Curve based themes so it may take some theme designers a while to fully get up to speed on Curve based themes
another point i think is holding back the development of interesting designed themes is variants - just my opinion but i do think all the variants being made by people is taking the easy option rather than people experimenting more with themes and pushing the design boundries further
Quote from: BlueDevil on February 16, 2010, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: Magic_Mike on February 16, 2010, 10:59:39 AM
Haven't you noticed a drastic decrease in ( good ) themes and mods ?
You prefer mods and themes to come first over RC3?
that doesnt really make sense as its not smf who make the mods and themes so the smf staff being busy working on RC3 doesnt prevent 1.1.x and 2.0 rc2 themes and mods being made
Quote from: stikkki on February 16, 2010, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: BlueDevil on February 16, 2010, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: Magic_Mike on February 16, 2010, 10:59:39 AM
Haven't you noticed a drastic decrease in ( good ) themes and mods ?
You prefer mods and themes to come first over RC3?
that doesnt really make sense as its not smf who make the mods and themes so the smf staff being busy working on RC3 doesnt prevent 1.1.x and 2.0 rc2 themes and mods being made
Yes, note that most Mod authors
are not associated with the SMF team, and even those that are own their own Modifications,
not SMF. SMF doesn't endorse and can't place a warranty on any third-party Modifications and Themes. At least, that's the way I've understood it since I've been on SMF.
I have been using smf for some time now ( when did you guys converted from yabb to smf )
i do this not lightly and not without a reason.
I know that a site like this is totally dependant on its users and mod/theme coders.
soooooo.....
@Tsukuyomi: I know that i have a company of my own and have seen very "nasty" times that is a natural process and can not be avoided ( learning by doing , right )
What i prefer a working final smf2.0 without major issues and that is still not the case.
Frankly i dont care what happend or will happen but you need to have the supporters.
Without it any community is dead.
Every company has it's drama one time or another. SMF is not immune to it as any other company. If I recall IPBOARD had a issue in it's day and VBulletin.
Any mature adult knows these things happen. I myself enjoy SMF and the community in my spare time. It's a privilege to have such a great freeware as SMF on the market.
In time you wont even remember what happened or it wont be a big deal to any mature adult that wants a professional forum software.
wow...
SMF is not going anywhere
Despite the drama, we are still here, we are still working and we are still planning the releases.
Many mod and theme authors are waiting the release of 2.0 because of so many changes to the code and the templates, so the reason that mods and themes are so slow is because... yes, we are a little behind in the release schedule
I think it's worth hanging in there a while longer -
You show me ANY organisation that doesn't have strife and I'll show you an organisation that's stagnant.
Quote from: Magic_Mike on February 16, 2010, 08:07:07 AM
After recent "happenings" here i have the impression that you stabbed the community in it's back.
And that is certainly the end of any good software.
I honestly liked to use the smf forum software but
i think i will switch to another where the staff is not split in half.
I will see what comes out of this site in a few weeks/months.
It was good to know you guys.
But this is something not taken lightly!
i had the same feelings but after looking around for another free software couldn't find anything as easy to use or as good as smf so thought i would stick around and see where it goes
I wouldn't leave SMF unless there was another free software that could match SMF's power. phpBB doesn't count because it's a patchetic software that get's spammed a lot.
Also, why would you create this topic? If your gonna convert then convert, don't try to make a scene. Hopefully your new conversion won't be phpBB.
If your looking for information regarding SMF's development, then look at the other posts and topics.
- Royalduke
Hopefully you stick around, we're doing some good things around here and certainly didn't stab the back of the community.
Good luck in what you choose to do :)
I'm still supporting the software *shrug*
This thread makes me LOL....
Quote from: Gargoyle on February 21, 2010, 08:10:18 PM
This thread makes me LOL....
I only wish I felt like laughing.
Sorry Arantor but people complaining about the release of free software I find amusing. It's like crying that the 5 dollar bill you found belonged to someone else. Expecting free and appreciating free are 2 vastly different concepts and to me at least the OP completely fails to understand that and wishes to complain.
Reminds me of my 6 year old when she doesn't get her way.. So I LOL'd... Meant no disrespect to the team future, past, or present.
Oh, I know what you mean. I just got so annoyed at the people who expected and even got upset when they didn't get their question answered quickly enough. Made me just ignore them.
Exactly my point... ;D
thx everyone past, present, returned, away on holiday, out to lunch, returned rejuvenated, etc for your time and efforts --wonderful software and support -and allied sites too...and good luck as with what is and always will be evolution - with the occasional revolution, devolution and ultimately solution -- which then resolves to more evolution etc :)
********one big problem though is rolling and scrolling on this site which is jagged and difficult - i see that the load times recorded for this page are ok (at bottom of page) but even posting now 12 noon, i am getting very slow here in UK, using firefox and osx on a mac mini with a fairly fast internet connection. is this perhaps still because of problems with rc1/2/3....?
other busy sites using 1.1.11 including our own are fine. i realise that there is much info here on the smf servers including many d'loads, but the latency and lag when scrolling has been very marked these past months*****
that said thxall and hang in there all and hope to see many return too .. much love x
I think it must be something in the server-path between you and smf... because there is no lag for me on this, or any other RC site...
I'm in England and it's flying, for me.
Try a tracert or ping.
I think ICMP inside the firewall is blocked, but for me I'm seeing about 66ms to the edge router in front of the servers. My route is going through Level3 and MZIMA/PacketExchange.
Quoteone big problem though is rolling and scrolling on this site which is jagged and difficult - i see that the load times recorded for this page are ok (at bottom of page)
I have noticed this behaviour since one month and wonder why nobody has posted about.
So I assume that something went wrong only with my rig.
Pageload, postin, ... is fast but scrolling is a pain.
I have turned of images meanwhile, which solve the problem.
(Using FF 3.6)
Additionally this is the only SMF page which is scrolling slowly. Other Websites running SMF or even other parts of this board, like Customisation, Manual, etc are working as fast as ever.
Meanwhile... back on topic...
I too share the concern for future interest & support for SMF. But this is in no way to be mis-interpreted as a lack of respect or appreciation to those who develop and support this wonderful FREE product.
For many years now, I too have developed free material that is openly available to a large and dedicated community of users. I know how it feels when someone comes along and "holds you to account" for something they get for the mere price of the time it takes to download it.
But I do hope it is realized that a large percentage of the members here are admins/owners/operators of existing forum-based websites. And as such, they have on-line communities of their own that they must account to. Problems here at the Mother Site trickle downhill and have a far more reaching effect than might be realized.
Perspective Check: Okay, I do realize that the vast majority of SMF users probably run a specific 1.1.x version day in and day out and never have issues or come here for support.. or with dreams and hopes of finding new mods or themes. But that fact directly contradicts my current rant... so we'll just conveniently ignore it. ;)
Unfortunately, as an admin of a site, I personally couldn't give a small rodent's buttocks about the internal issues, grievances & ego conflicts between the development/support staff members. I am beholding to a community of my own and I must have confidence in the forum software that the community relies upon to interact with each other.
But with the once-promising new version stuck in beta for, what? 3+ years? ... coupled with the internal fracturing, waning support and apparent interest... I have to be deeply concerned about the future viability of SMF forum software.
I can not afford to blindly dismiss it with a "Oh, they'll work it out and all will be swell!!" optimistic attitude. I know from experience that the things we are blindly optimistic about are usually the ones that come up from behind and take a chunk out of your rump. :o
* In years past, I was often shocked at how quickly I would get a response to a support question posted here. Now, unfortunately... I am routinely shocked at not receiving a response at all... or coming across numerous topics while searching for a solution where other members also asked for help and no one ever replied. I might expect that at a fringe, 3rd party support site for certain mods or themes... but not here at the Mother Site.
I truly hope the ramifications of allowing interest to wane for a such a popular and widely used product as SMF are fully understood by those who have the ability to control it. Just as the members of the community I shepherd look up to me to keep it fresh and running smoothly, we admins here look up to you to do the same and keep making us look good to our flocks. ;)
And with that, I will now step off of my soap box and wait to incur the wrath of those with differing opinions.
But I would like to close with the statement that I feel SMF remains the best product of its type. I fervently hope & pray that it will get back on track & remain a staple to admins of forum based websites... and that it also continues to be something that those who have developed and supported it will continue to enjoy their participation & take pride in the accomplishment.
Quote from: Pegasys on March 01, 2010, 12:49:00 PM... waning support...
(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/c021.gif)
We try so hard... :(
Quote from: Kat on March 01, 2010, 01:24:15 PM
We try so hard... :(
With a post count like yours, my comment does indeed sound unjustly harsh. I stand humbly reproached. ;)
All of your efforts have not gone in vain... or unappreciated!!
Thankyou! :)
It appears, though, that I'm considered a "jerk", though, in some quarters.
I may be on the way out, sadly...
Quote from: Kat on March 01, 2010, 01:59:52 PM
Thankyou! :)
It appears, though, that I'm considered a "jerk", though, in some quarters.
I may be on the way out, sadly...
With a post count here as low as mine, I obviously don't have enough exposure to have any opinion on that.
But you are responsive. I'll give you that!! :)
Well, I do try... ;)
Quote from: Kat on March 01, 2010, 02:14:49 PM
Well, I do try... ;)
Perhaps... "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here..." is not the best slogan for a Tech Support Specialist.
Just throwing that out there... ;D
After the conversation I've just had, it's kinda appropriate, sadly. :(
:P
We're working on it...
Quote from: Magic_Mike on February 16, 2010, 10:59:39 AM
Haven't you noticed a drastic decrease in ( good ) themes and mods ?
Haven't you noticed the drastic number of ( good ) themes and mods that are already out?
Most themes that I've seen, of late, are very similar to existing ones.
Thing is, when there are already loads of themes, making new, original ones must be difficult.
Quote from: di3f00l on March 01, 2010, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: Magic_Mike on February 16, 2010, 10:59:39 AM
Haven't you noticed a drastic decrease in ( good ) themes and mods ?
Haven't you noticed the drastic number of ( good ) themes and mods that are already out?
where since before the team stopped approving themes (id hat to see the backlog) there has been very few good quality themes, and I cant see that changing. Since curve was released people have been makin variations not a unique style of theme and this is what is mainly looked for...
Quote from: Pegasys on March 01, 2010, 12:49:00 PM
Meanwhile... back on topic...
I too share the concern for future interest & support for SMF. But this is in no way to be mis-interpreted as a lack of respect or appreciation to those who develop and support this wonderful FREE product.
For many years now, I too have developed free material that is openly available to a large and dedicated community of users. I know how it feels when someone comes along and "holds you to account" for something they get for the mere price of the time it takes to download it.
But I do hope it is realized that a large percentage of the members here are admins/owners/operators of existing forum-based websites. And as such, they have on-line communities of their own that they must account to. Problems here at the Mother Site trickle downhill and have a far more reaching effect than might be realized.
Perspective Check: Okay, I do realize that the vast majority of SMF users probably run a specific 1.1.x version day in and day out and never have issues or come here for support.. or with dreams and hopes of finding new mods or themes. But that fact directly contradicts my current rant... so we'll just conveniently ignore it. ;)
Unfortunately, as an admin of a site, I personally couldn't give a small rodent's buttocks about the internal issues, grievances & ego conflicts between the development/support staff members. I am beholding to a community of my own and I must have confidence in the forum software that the community relies upon to interact with each other.
But with the once-promising new version stuck in beta for, what? 3+ years? ... coupled with the internal fracturing, waning support and apparent interest... I have to be deeply concerned about the future viability of SMF forum software.
I can not afford to blindly dismiss it with a "Oh, they'll work it out and all will be swell!!" optimistic attitude. I know from experience that the things we are blindly optimistic about are usually the ones that come up from behind and take a chunk out of your rump. :o
* In years past, I was often shocked at how quickly I would get a response to a support question posted here. Now, unfortunately... I am routinely shocked at not receiving a response at all... or coming across numerous topics while searching for a solution where other members also asked for help and no one ever replied. I might expect that at a fringe, 3rd party support site for certain mods or themes... but not here at the Mother Site.
I truly hope the ramifications of allowing interest to wane for a such a popular and widely used product as SMF are fully understood by those who have the ability to control it. Just as the members of the community I shepherd look up to me to keep it fresh and running smoothly, we admins here look up to you to do the same and keep making us look good to our flocks. ;)
And with that, I will now step off of my soap box and wait to incur the wrath of those with differing opinions.
But I would like to close with the statement that I feel SMF remains the best product of its type. I fervently hope & pray that it will get back on track & remain a staple to admins of forum based websites... and that it also continues to be something that those who have developed and supported it will continue to enjoy their participation & take pride in the accomplishment.
Minus the developing of my own software, I agree with you completely!!
Quote from: Magic_Mike on February 16, 2010, 08:07:07 AM
After recent "happenings" here i have the impression that you stabbed the community in it's back.
And that is certainly the end of any good software.
I honestly liked to use the smf forum software but
i think i will switch to another where the staff is not split in half.
I will see what comes out of this site in a few weeks/months.
It was good to know you guys.
But this is something not taken lightly!
COOL STORY BRO
Quote from: Runic on March 03, 2010, 01:15:45 AM
where since before the team stopped approving themes (id hat to see the backlog) there has been very few good quality themes, and I cant see that changing. Since curve was released people have been makin variations not a unique style of theme and this is what is mainly looked for...
My sentiments exactly. Most of the (free) themes I've seen for 2.0 are just the basic curve theme with an altered CSS style sheet. Of course, that's the main idea behind external CSS files is that the entire look of a site can be altered from one external file. But unless the theme author is a CSS whizz kid, the basic curve theme format remains unchanged.
No don't get me wrong... the basic curve theme is great. A major improvement over the default theme of the 1.x versions. But I believe that the popularity of alternate themes is due to many site admins wanting to have a unique appearance for their site. Truly, the most important aspect of any forum is it's content and it's members... but its still nice to have it visually unique in some way.
I personally feel that some of the best add-on themes I've seen is where the theme author went under-the-hood and also modified the template files to implement more than CSS-based color changes. Move stuff around and add new things that give the theme a truly unique look & feel.
Maybe I looked in the wrong places... but I did not find that yet for 2.0. Perhaps that 2.0 is still in beta deters theme developers from committing wholeheartedly to it... but its been in beta for years. I was hoping to find more.
* Similar opinion with mods, btw. Most seem to be the same 1.1.x mods updated to install on 2.0. And after having experimented with many of those, I'm a bit shocked at how many don't install or function properly.
To be honest, for me the availability of themes is not a big issue because I take one basic one I like... recode the templates and CSS to make it truly unique... then make it the default and only theme available. But my interest in extra themes and mods is that I feel they are an indicator of the success and continued interest in the core product... the forum software itself. When the availability of 3rd party extras & add-ons diminishes, it could be interpreted that interest in the core product has as well.
well, You can't blame the lack of mod updates on the customization team/approval queue.
Take the lack of updates up with the mod author him/herself. Updating Mods is NOT the responsibility of the MSF team(s). :P
Quote from: Kindred on March 03, 2010, 05:15:57 PMUpdating Mods is NOT the responsibility of the MSF team(s). :P
Nor the SMF team... ;)
wow this is scrolling much better!
Quote from: Kindred on March 03, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
well, You can't blame the lack of mod updates on the customization team/approval queue.
Take the lack of updates up with the mod author him/herself. Updating Mods is NOT the responsibility of the MSF team(s). :P
I don't think anyone is blaming anyone (at least I'm not)... other than to accuse SMF of making a wonderful product. And, of course, the SMF support staff is throughly guilty of doing a great job. 8)
And certainly SMF is not responsible for 3rd party add-ons, mods and themes. "3rd party" means just that.
The point I'm concurring with is that number & frequency of 3rd party add-ons... be it mods or themes or whatever... for any given product can be used as a barometer to that product's popularity an/or continued viability. This assumes, of course, that the product lends itself to add-ons, etc... which I believe virtually all forum software does... and SMF does quite readily.
You cannot judge based on the number of new mods (or themes for that matter). There can be long periods of time where "everything has already been done". How do you create something for a product that already has everything? You wait to see what the next big fad is, and create accordingly. There will be low points in new features, which is to be expected. I can remember plenty of times long before the current strife of going days, even weeks, without any new or interesting mods. It happens.
I think the lack of new non-variant themes is due to two things: the new theme smell of Curve hasn't quite worn off for many, so they are content with using it, and, the whole sprite structure of the images may be new territory for theme makers. I personally know of one who struggled to accept it, but has since overcome that. ;)
It just so happens that things have slowed down with customization around the same time as some internal bickering. Ride the wave. Compare today with 2 or 3 weeks ago. Things are slowly getting back to normal.
think some people simply dont realise the work involved in making and updating themes and mods - personally ive only released 2 Curve based themes simply because of Rc3 being due soon - the update from smf from rc1.2 to rc2 left me with about 20 themes to update before i could even start on Curve based themes and compared to some theme makers im no where near as prolific with themes as they have been. the changes between core rc1.2 to core rc2 basically ment EVERY core theme needed rewriting, it werent fact of add a few changelog edits as the css files for rc2 had completely changed from rc1.2
now we have RC3 on the horizon so here comes the updates again, go look how many themes some others have to there names and then consider how much time each 1 of theme existing themes will take to update - now oif people were being as prolific with curve based themes then all them would need to be added to the already available themes that need updating
the change from rc2 to rc3 seems to be on the cards much sooner than the change from rc1.2 to rc2 was so it is only sensible to wait till after that to make new themes
also what most people are overlooking is that RC2/RC3 are RC's - development software not recommended for live production sites and only really ment for testing so some people arent updating mods/themes or making new mods/themes for these development versions of smf and are waiting for the final release of 2.0
what a lot of people are complaining about is a lack of themes and mods for a version of software that isnt even a final release, that isnt ment for a live site and is only really available for testing and bug fixes and as mod/theme authors have no idea exactly what changes will be made from version to version - basically people are complaining that why arent mod/theme authors making loads of mods and themes in the knowledge that soon they may not work and may need completely rewriting depending on future changes that are made to smf updates
oh and lets remember something else here, mod and theme authors do so in there own free time and make these smf addons available free of charge through this site so you are complaining about things that people do out of kindness stating why arent they working harder to make this things for us now, we want them now, do it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quite right, it does take some time to create, be it "simple" or "complex" themes.
However, new themes now looking alike is sadly true. I for one will at least try steer away from that, but actually same thing happened last time a default theme(now called Core) was released, although this time its even more. Of course also becasue the Curve theme was meant to use much more CSS and depend less on tempalte changes. But forum tempaltes are complex beasts(or have been) so even the CSS got complex lol. :)
An additional trouble is that most budding theme designers don't want to mess with PHP in templates too much, and only those that do, could possibly rewrite them so they at least look totally different. Personally I wouldn't trade of that power of PHP for anything..but it has also made it worse when people want those 100+ mods to work one very theme(mods can change templates too). Meaning designers hesitate to change any more than the index one.
Much work should go into figuring that out, but I guess now that is up to third-party devs/designers.
and then there is the fact that some of us LIKE the Curve theme and want to use it with the color variations. :)
Actually, my "dream" theme at the moment would be a curve theme with the color switcher built in, like Bloc did for Helios. :D
Quote from: Kindred on March 04, 2010, 09:41:53 AM
Actually, my "dream" theme at the moment would be a curve theme with the color switcher built in, like Bloc did for Helios. :D
IMO Curve should of been released as a multi-color theme from the start with a selection of colors that would appeal to most - it just seems logical to me to make a default them that as standard, with no editing required, has a selection of colors to make it more appealing and flexible as a Default theme
It was more of a size consideration than anything else, as I recall.
Quote from: Bloc on March 04, 2010, 09:24:35 AM
An additional trouble is that most budding theme designers don't want to mess with PHP in templates too much, and only those that do, could possibly rewrite them so they at least look totally different. Personally I wouldn't trade of that power of PHP for anything..but it has also made it worse when people want those 100+ mods to work one very theme(mods can change templates too). Meaning designers hesitate to change any more than the index one.
With CSS for layout, you can now change the look of things considerably without ever touching the template code.
Quote from: Motoko-chan on March 04, 2010, 12:22:20 PM
With CSS for layout, you can now change the look of things considerably without ever touching the template code.
well i wouldnt say considerably as it will still be curves layout just with a new color scheme and maybe a few image changes (a variant in other words)
I can only speak for myself and i think i can say that none of our themes look anywhere near Core/Curve. Like Bloc, we as well always try to bring something different/unique.
As for updating... A lot of work indeed and it may have took us a while but our themes were eventually always updated for any SMF 2 version. Starting from Beta1 till the latest RC 2.
As for rewriting template files... It's possible to rewrite any (or all) template files but as Bloc said, it will be a nightmare for people using many different mods. And that's the reason we always coded as less custom files as possible, especially for our free themes. We did try a few different layouts for our premium themes though.
IMHO a custom theme should look unique yes, but it should not bring a user into trouble.
Quote from: stikkki on March 04, 2010, 12:32:14 PM
Quote from: Motoko-chan on March 04, 2010, 12:22:20 PM
With CSS for layout, you can now change the look of things considerably without ever touching the template code.
well i wouldnt say considerably as it will still be curves layout just with a new color scheme and maybe a few image changes (a variant in other words)
Obligatory link: css Zen Garden (http://www.csszengarden.com/).
Many of the designs are really nice variations on the default layout, but you'll also find some awesome changed looks like What Lies Beneath (http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=019/019.css), Self-Growth (http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=053/053.css), and Radio Zen (http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=058/058.css). All of those switch to a horizontal-scrolling style.
I'm considering making an updated comic theme for SMF (there was an old 1.0 one) to demonstrate that the look can be changed a good bit with just CSS. Given my time is usually occupied, I'm not sure if I'll be able to do so.
Edit: Found another awesome Zen Garden design: Punkass (http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=101/101.css). Oh, Wiggles the Wonderworm (http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=099/099.css), too.
Both linked from 15 Greatest Page Designs from CSS Zen Garden (http://scarletbits.com/2009/15-greatest-page-designs-from-css-zen-garden/)
ehm, Motoko-chan, its true CSS can change a lot..but if you haven't actually tried, it seems easier than it really is. Thats becasue both the code and the css are highly optimised for Curve. I made several things with my first Curve markup, that later was removed, changed or simplified. Things that *I* found would be useful, to change things in custom themes. Its a carefully built theme now, change too much of the css, and things start to stop working here and there.
CSSzengarden is a great example, but it does several things Curve doesn't: adds empty markup which css can hang onto, no use of tables(which although can be appropriate for some SMF sections,are impossible to change much ), using "independent" markup(because its essentially a blog layout, where things can line up after each other and read well, just as much as reading it with sidebars) whereas SMF has intricate layouts with floats within sidebars/floats(example: Display area) that doesn't really work that well just placed after each other...
Point is, to have that freedom Wordpress/CSSzengarden has with CSS, you have to simplify further and actually change the UI of the forum templates even.
This isn't the fault of SMF devs really, as the goal was semantic theme + CSS based. There was no agenda for making it past that then.
First off Bloc... please allow me to say that I have always liked your stuff. Always well done. Very innovative and well supported. My respect & appreciation for your efforts knows no bounds.
My current site uses modified versions of Tiny Portal with the Amber theme. They are modified not because there was anything lacking with them straight out of the box... but only because I like to personalize things.
I installed v0.97 of Tiny Portal and my mistake was to not check back for the various updates and improvements you released. So over time, I went "under-the-hood" and fixed things myself. Then fixed things I broke when fixing things ;).... and added features and changes to personalize it further. Of course, this took the auto-update option out of the equation. My bad. But a valuable learning experience.
Quote from: Bloc on March 04, 2010, 01:12:35 PM
Point is, to have that freedom Wordpress/CSSzengarden has with CSS, you have to simplify further and actually change the UI of the forum templates even.
I agree wholeheartedly with you. Some of the best themes I have seen (or at least that appealed to me personally) were themes like Amber where you went into the templates and actually created a whole new and refreshing, custom look and feel beyond what could be done just with CSS modifications.
Never underestimate the power of CSS. ;D You can change the entire look of SMF2 fairly easily merely by using CSS and images, no altering any template files at all. I'm not talking about just coloring in another Curve variant, but a nice new refreshing look. Obviously, even more customization can be done by modifying template files, but it's not 100% necessary.
I still feel as though potential theme authors are struggling to wrap their creative minds around sprites.
SunKing: Quite possibly. The idea of CSS sprites is rather new but also very old; the technique goes back to long before the current iteration of programmers and designers, when everything was at a premium.
One thing I will say, the theme we have on simpledesk.net isn't as bold as it could be, but it's more bold than many I've personally seen. That was done in basically half a day.
Sprites are almost as old as I am. ;) But it can take a bit more work in laying out the image and the corresponding CSS than the pre-Curve themes.
That's a nice clean theme at simpledesk, btw.
Themes and Mods, Themes and Mods. You bunch of cry babies. Do you want a good forum program or just something that looks pretty on the damn internet?
Instead of worrying so much about stupid Themes and Mods, why don't you try and be thankful that you have people like these guys who are willing to take time out of THEIR days to make this thing for you.
Take all the time you need to do whatever you need to do folks. I am still using 1.1.11 with the ORIGINAL theme and actually use it as a MESSAGE board and not a statement about looking cool..
Themes and Mods. Good God people, get a life.
Quote from: ML on March 06, 2010, 08:13:08 PM
Themes and Mods, Themes and Mods. You bunch of cry babies. Do you want a good forum program or just something that looks pretty on the damn internet?
Instead of worrying so much about stupid Themes and Mods, why don't you try and be thankful that you have people like these guys who are willing to take time out of THEIR days to make this thing for you.
Take all the time you need to do whatever you need to do folks. I am still using 1.1.11 with the ORIGINAL theme and actually use it as a MESSAGE board and not a statement about looking cool..
Themes and Mods. Good God people, get a life.
OMG! You're right, SMF is a message board.
Well said ML.(http://catfished.com/thumb.gif)
1.1.11 with the original theme isn't bad. I still use that myself in one place.
But for some people, they have needs other than just a basic, functional message board. They want to be able to foster a community about their respective collective discussion matters and for that sometimes needs mods and themes. Mods can make it a lot easier to manage, themes can provide a point for discussion or simply make it easier to navigate depending on your audience. Also adds atmosphere which for some communities can be great.
For one community I'm part of, we're using the forum as a place for discussing the project we're working on (which isn't SimpleDesk). Is using the default theme, but it also has Project Tools installed to help me manage outstanding issues, a shoutbox for the team to discuss matters quickly and so on. Depends on the community and how far the software can go to help you make that community stronger.
tl:dr; sometimes a basic functional message board is all you need for a successful community. Sometimes you need more. Themes and mods help you achieve that.
Oh, and before you take me to task for wasting time writing mods, I did also waste time helping fix bugs in SMF itself, so yeah, go figure. Writing mods helped me do that.
I totally agree that function is far more important than fashion. I also agree that there is far too much whining about not enough new mods and themes. However, there is really nothing wrong with wanting to make it look or function to fit your site's needs either.
If you take two SMF1.1.11 sites, both focusing on underwater basket weaving, one with the default theme, and one with a nicely crafted custom theme related to the site content, I'll give you one guess which one ultimately grabs more traffic.
Quote from: SunKing on March 06, 2010, 08:41:40 PM
If you take two SMF1.1.11 sites, both focusing on underwater basket weaving, one with the default theme, and one with a nicely crafted custom theme related to the site content, I'll give you one guess which one ultimately grabs more traffic.
+1
Themes make your forum look unique and help try to separate it from the rest of the pack. If everyone went around with the same theme for their forum then you're not really letting your forum take notice. Which ultimately helps with getting traffic to your site.
And mods help with being able to maintain your forum. Sometimes your forum is geared towards a certain aspect that makes it need a feature to get to where it needs to be. Take, for example, a tech new forum. The articles mod would allow the users to easily review all of the tech articles that the site has posted. Which helps to keep the traffic that your pretty theme has cultivated.
I'm kind of just rehashing what SunKing and Arantor have said, but it's important to show that themes and mods are needed even in the smallest way. They give your forum a unique thumbprint which allows it a chance to grow.
Quote from: SunKing on March 06, 2010, 08:41:40 PM
I totally agree that function is far more important than fashion.
I think the order of priority for any forum site is:
1. Content
2. Function
3. Fashion (Visual appeal)
The content of the site is what its really all about. The reason for its existence. All the function & fashion in the world won't make the forum popular if there isn't anything of interest there. Of course, you can't present that content without function.
SMF provides that basic function.... as well as many features beyond just "basic". It reliable, easy to use and very popular with folks that belong to numerous forums and are familiar with other forum software.
But as you stated, the more visually appealing of two otherwise equal forums will likely attract and hold more participants. There are forums... that are about forums. This site is one, obviously. But most are about other areas of interest and it helps to have a variety of themes available that are more suited to those interests.
Where you probably would not want a dark & mystical theme for a business or development related forum... you also probably would not want a light or cheerful theme for a forum that is about something dark & mystical. The theme can set the tone & mood of the forum... and thus affect the content that is added to it.
I consider the current 2.0 default Curve theme as the perfect neutral theme. Its offensive to no one.... and well suited for many forums just as it is. But I also consider it to be a blank canvas... just waiting for some paint. ;)
Quote from: Motoko-chan on March 04, 2010, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: stikkki on March 04, 2010, 12:32:14 PM
Quote from: Motoko-chan on March 04, 2010, 12:22:20 PM
With CSS for layout, you can now change the look of things considerably without ever touching the template code.
well i wouldnt say considerably as it will still be curves layout just with a new color scheme and maybe a few image changes (a variant in other words)
Obligatory link: css Zen Garden (http://www.csszengarden.com/).
Many of the designs are really nice variations on the default layout, but you'll also find some awesome changed looks like What Lies Beneath (http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=019/019.css), Self-Growth (http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=053/053.css), and Radio Zen (http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=058/058.css). All of those switch to a horizontal-scrolling style.
I'm considering making an updated comic theme for SMF (there was an old 1.0 one) to demonstrate that the look can be changed a good bit with just CSS. Given my time is usually occupied, I'm not sure if I'll be able to do so.
Edit: Found another awesome Zen Garden design: Punkass (http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=101/101.css). Oh, Wiggles the Wonderworm (http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=099/099.css), too.
Both linked from 15 Greatest Page Designs from CSS Zen Garden (http://scarletbits.com/2009/15-greatest-page-designs-from-css-zen-garden/)
Stop talking about it and do it. There's little point in linking people to the Zen Garden ad infinitum. As Bloc says, Curve is a lot more complex than the layouts they are playing with. A lot of Curve's CSS is finely balanced and spring loaded. You can change things but you have to know what you are doing or the whole thing may explode in your face. Basic colour changes are easy. Layout changes are possible but not nearly so easy, and even then there a lot of things you cannot do just by changing the css. Make no mistake here: custom themes are still going to require custom templates.
Yup, i am working on a Facebook look-alike and it would not be possible without changing the templates.(I don't mean color-like FB theme as some already have amde, but using the actual way of displaying things like FB does) I find that fun lol, but not all will see it that way - but my point is: to make such a theme just by changing CSS from Curve theme is simply not possible.
Earlier on I started a project which change how you write templates and at the same time support mods trying to modify it, but its been dormant for various reasons. I do like to pick it up again, partly because my goal with it has shifted focus.
I totally agree with Royalduke. Come on people SMF still rocks!
Quote from: BlueDevil on February 16, 2010, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: Magic_Mike on February 16, 2010, 10:59:39 AM
Haven't you noticed a drastic decrease in ( good ) themes and mods ?
You prefer mods and themes to come first over RC3?
RC3? Pfft.
Go to the download page and see the message, "Note: As this is in development,
we do not recommend running SMF 2.0 RC3 on a production site."
I don't run RC3. I run a production site using 1.1.11. RC releases don't interest me because they are simply testing platforms in my eyes. If ever SMF 2.0 goes final I
might switch to it. What goes on with RC releases is backroom stuff to my mind.
I'm interested in here and now. 1.1.11 is the current stable version so that's all that matters.
well, I have been running 2.0 on a LARGE production site since RC1.
And there lies the serious disconnect and divide between what users are officially told about SMF2 in one place, versus what they're officially told in another.
Basically, if you complain about mods only supporting SMF2, or only being updated for SMF2, or missing features/functionality/bugs in SMF1 that exist/fixed in SMF2, the official line is "SMF2 beta/RC is being used on lots of production sites no problem".
But if you complain about bugs in SMF2, or how themes and mods need updates every minor iteration, or how you have to do a full all-files reinstall every new beta/RC versus the little update via package manager, you're referred to the boilerplate "we do not recommend running SMF 2.0 RC3 on a production site".
SMF is not known for a consistent message, unfortunately.
there is no disconnect nor any inconsistency in the statements.
SMF 2.0RC3 *IS* RC... and, unless you know what you are doing, it is recommended that you use the stable release. That being said... RC is fairly stable and many of us (who know what we are doing) use it.
We have never (and will likely never) released "update packs" for beta or RC versions, because they usually involve a significant number of changes, and it is better for our developers to spend their time fixing and tweaking to get the final release than to spend time making an update package.
Again, it comes down to "if you know what you are doing..." because, quite honestly, it only takes me between 1-2 hours to do a full upgrade from RC to RC or RC to final, including the (re)installation of about 20 mods.
As for the backports of mods or features... SMF 1.1.x is stable but is being replaced. I fully understand mod authors not wanting to waste time backporting... and 1.1.x has been feature fixed for a long time now. additional releases in the 1.1.x series have only been security related. New features belong in the NEW version.
ive never found any confusion or contradiction - i used 1.1.x and started running a 2.0 (beta) test site to learn how 2.0 works to be competent to use it and then switched exclusively to 2.0
if you dont feel competent with smf/2.0 then dont use 2.0 - yes it does say beta/rc's aren't recommended for live production sites but that comes down to really your competence with using smf software and whether you have enough knowledge to work with a software that may have issues/problems/bugs - if not then go for the stable release
most the time people saying 2.0 is used on live sites that ive seen is usually from members and not an official statement by SMF so saying people say ya can use it isnt SMF being contradictory or giving mixed official statements as SMF has no such announcements to say "SMF2 beta/RC is being used on lots of production sites no problem".
Accept the fact that this is free software.
If you don't, head over to vbulletin and pay licenses - atleast then you have some feet to complain on.
I take it the OP has left already since he hasn't posted for a few pages and we are all talking about themes and CSS lol
"come back OP" "don't leave us"
Last Active - 12 March...
So, doesn't care about the community but may have been here for other reasons? No idea.
lol that's the thing that amuses me about the internet, no one can just make a decision and go, they have to tell everyone about it first. Drama is the name of the game.
/me is guilty of that on more than one occasion :(
sorry but I think we have probably all done it at one time or other. It's not the same when you can't slam a door on the way out though lol
Ah, the problem is when there is a door of sorts to slam, you half slam it then find yourself keep reopening it...
The original poster may not have returned because... as he/she said... not gonna support the community any more. But at least he/she left the door slightly ajar with a "I do not think.." precursor.
But I can understand the frustration of having SMF "in-between" for such an extended period of time.... especially if you are setting up a forum for the first time or just ready to upgrade your existing one. You don't really want to commit to the "old version" with the new one so close to being ready. But if the final release is months (or years) away... you may not have the option of waiting for it.
Just knowing that something newer & better is almost ready... just takes all the shine away from the older version. And then when you see the official site running the new version... and so many of the 3rd party mod sites running it as well... it can be hard to know which way to go.
The regulars on this site seem to know what's what... and have all the latest poop on everything. But the majority of SMF users, keep in mind... only stop in occasionally when they need support or are looking for some mods to enhance their systems. Their primary interests lie with whatever subject their forums are about... not the forum software itself.
SMF is clearly in flux... and the rumors or internal dissension do not help encourage confidence. This can be seen with the SMF support (mods & themes, etc )community as well. Many mods added to forums... like the forum software itself.... are not something that you can freely often change like your underwear. They may be free of cost... but they are certainly not free of a notable time commitment in setting them up.
Once you decide which forum software to go with... or which of a major mod (like a portal mod) to use with it... most users are then largely committed to whatever they have chosen. So many are shopping around... looking for the latest and greatest. And if one is ready and released before the competition... its going to get the greatest share of the market. That's just simple Business 101 !! ;)
* Now... if you are predisposed to being flippant about this and think it doesn't matter... crunch some math. Assume there are 1 million forum customers globally and, let's say... 3 major forum products available. If 99% of the market chooses or switches to 2 of those products because they were first with the newer & improved version, then the 3rd one is gonna lose almost all of its interest, support... and in the case of freely developed, software... most of the appreciation that is actually the paycheck for those who dedicate their time & efforts to developing & supporting freeware.
* If Ford made the best car ever for 2011... it isn't gonna do them any good if they can't get it out to the show rooms & dealers before 2015.
Quote from: perplexed on March 18, 2010, 08:00:10 PM
lol that's the thing that amuses me about the internet, no one can just make a decision and go, they have to tell everyone about it first. Drama is the name of the game.
I still get emails from guildies on WoW.. I just left.. LOL
I have heard so much more about the compatibility issues within the different fractions of smf (developers, support team, friends, former friends, & the rest) and less issues with the software tool itself. But has it stopped the wheel of progress so far? No and mostly won't. If it affects the smf software in the nearest future, things will eventually work itself out for the generality of our community.
My point is that the software works ... the system still works .... but the people behind it may have issues to deal with. Let them deal with it whichever way they feel deemed. Anybody is free to leave or join the community whenever they feel like and for whatever reason. I care less ... you didn't leave the US because McCain had issues with Obama in the last election (and vice versa) so what's the fuss about leaving the community because some ex and current smf coders have issues to deal with. We all have issues to deal with, especially with colleagues at our workplaces.
There is a system in place here and it works, the other issues and the rest are irrelevant ... for now. And finally my advice to all those in dispute, find a negotiated agreed-upon win-win solution for the interest of the community
Well said Andy. SMF is well established and won't go away for a long time due to the community, and if one person leaves, thats something they can't stop, but you're running away before it's over...
I've thought about leaving the community and smf forever. but the other free forum scripts just don't compare.
this was made worse by one member having a dig but then i thought well just see how things work out
Quote from: Andy1122 on April 11, 2010, 08:40:49 PM
I have heard so much more about the compatibility issues within the different fractions of smf (developers, support team, friends, former friends, & the rest) and less issues with the software tool itself. But has it stopped the wheel of progress so far? No and mostly won't. If it affects the smf software in the nearest future, things will eventually work itself out for the generality of our community.
My point is that the software works ... the system still works .... but the people behind it may have issues to deal with. Let them deal with it whichever way they feel deemed. Anybody is free to leave or join the community whenever they feel like and for whatever reason. I care less ... you didn't leave the US because McCain had issues with Obama in the last election (and vice versa) so what's the fuss about leaving the community because some ex and current smf coders have issues to deal with. We all have issues to deal with, especially with colleagues at our workplaces.
There is a system in place here and it works, the other issues and the rest are irrelevant ... for now. And finally my advice to all those in dispute, find a negotiated agreed-upon win-win solution for the interest of the community
True, we all have. But from one that only tried being on a open source team like this for 3-4 years, its very discouraging to be in a team where some people tear apart the positive feeling, by going behinds peoples backs, by openly quarrelling and question every decision. Its like a bus where everyone wants to drive lol. Someone has to drive(and the driver can be changed), and the rest sit back - nothing different in RL.
Everyone is replaceable, true, but too many replacements too often leads to instability. If none of the same people working on SMF 2.0 beta1 is there for 2.0 RC3 its worse for the software. And thats the saddest aspect, that people with both experience and visions for SMF have gone purely due to the management inwards in the team.
But yes, SMF stand tall still - but at least us ex-teamers hope that things will change with the structure of the team, so that not only those willing to contribute once again, but also new people, will be able to do so without the same internal BS again. If not, well, there's the community of course. But the software(and team) will be in flux.
Piss. This thread is full of drama.
/thread
Nobody forces you to read it, Magestickown/Majesticown..
Quote from: Kat on April 14, 2010, 05:33:10 PM
Nobody forces you to read it, Magestickown/Majesticown..
I realize this. But if he's going to leave he should. And not cause a big drama fest. This thread has been spamming my e-mail ever since it has been posted.
The OP's last post was 2 months ago, I guess that's about right.
SMF desperately needs a "cancel notification for topic" function.
You can unnotify per se (if it's notifications -> emails), as for removing from unreadreplies, there's Karl's mod updated by vbgamer, as well as my hack published in the thread of that mod.
Yes I know you can turn off email notifications. I was meaning on a per topic basis rather than globally. :)
Yeah, then see Karl/vbgamer's mod or my ugly hack. Would be great if installed here but somehow I doubt it'll happen.
I HAVE asked/grovelled...
Pshaw, people have been grovelling for months for it for here, both publicly and less publicly. The concern about Karl's/vbgamer's mod was performance punishment and it really don't scale all that well.
My hack does solve that to a degree but has other side effects such as marking unread cancels it, notify options are still present (though it throws an error if you try it, sensibly enough). Could always point TPTB to it and see what they have to say.
Might have to install it on SimpleDesk to try it out in a live environment...
Quote from: Magic_Mike on February 16, 2010, 08:07:07 AM
After recent "happenings" here i have the impression that you stabbed the community in it's back.
And that is certainly the end of any good software.
I honestly liked to use the smf forum software but
i think i will switch to another where the staff is not split in half.
I will see what comes out of this site in a few weeks/months.
It was good to know you guys.
But this is something not taken lightly!
I hate ppl who do this ^. GTFO! WTF do they always have to announce it to everyone when they don't care? I mean he only has 75 posts! It's not like anyone is going to miss him! The same happens in my forum.
Quote from: Antechinus on April 16, 2010, 05:07:31 AM
Yes I know you can turn off email notifications. I was meaning on a per topic basis rather than globally. :)
Go to Profile --> Notifications, and everything listed there has a checkbox on the right, then there's a button at the bottom that says "Unnotify" - is that what you're talking about, or did I miss something?
No, what Antechinus means is that if you reply to a topic, it will appear evermore in "Show new replies to your posts." and he'd like to remove that without deleting his posts.
Ohhh, ok. Thx.
Quote from: Calumks on April 16, 2010, 10:56:21 AM
Quote from: Magic_Mike on February 16, 2010, 08:07:07 AM
After recent "happenings" here i have the impression that you stabbed the community in it's back.
And that is certainly the end of any good software.
I honestly liked to use the smf forum software but
i think i will switch to another where the staff is not split in half.
I will see what comes out of this site in a few weeks/months.
It was good to know you guys.
But this is something not taken lightly!
I hate ppl who do this ^. GTFO! WTF do they always have to announce it to everyone when they don't care? I mean he only has 75 posts! It's not like anyone is going to miss him! The same happens in my forum.
What has his number of posts have to do with anything?
QuoteWhat has his number of posts have to do with anything?
75 posts suggests not a regular member of the community, just a passer-by, so fewer people will notice or care if they disappear.
Quote from: Arantor on April 17, 2010, 03:45:29 AM
QuoteWhat has his number of posts have to do with anything?
75 posts suggests not a regular member of the community, just a passer-by, so fewer people will notice or care if they disappear.
+1
Quote from: Magic_Mike on February 16, 2010, 10:59:39 AM
Haven't you noticed a drastic decrease in ( good ) themes and mods ?
If you need good themes or mods you can either make your own or find somebody who will do it for a fee. You can't expect people to just make it for you... or blame them if they don't...
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I am still a newbie :P
Quote from: Arantor on April 17, 2010, 03:45:29 AM
QuoteWhat has his number of posts have to do with anything?
75 posts suggests not a regular member of the community, just a passer-by, so fewer people will notice or care if they disappear.
Not necessarily true. Magic_Mike's posts date back to July of 2004, which suggests that he may not be the most verbose person, but definitely not just a passer-by who posts for a day or two and moves on. In fact, his opinion probably holds a great deal of weight, since it seems he takes the time to read a lot more than he writes.
Still no point in saying he's leaving. No one gives a ****.
Quote from: Calumks on April 17, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
Still no point in saying he's leaving. No one gives a ****.
Obviously, you give a ****. Why else would you post in this topic, and as many posts in this topic as the OP? That's a full 1% of your own posts on any topic on this site, since you like counting posts. Looks like you give more of a **** than you want to admit.
Quote from: Orstio on April 17, 2010, 03:46:35 PM
Obviously, you give a ****. Why else would you post in this topic, and as many posts in this topic as the OP? That's a full 1% of your own posts on any topic on this site, since you like counting posts. Looks like you give more of a **** than you want to admit.
hmm, I guess your right, I do give ****. Not that this guy is leaving, but that he makes stupid topics like this. Although the one farewell topic I am looking forward to, is when you leave. One less smartass on the internet.
I'd actually prefer Orstio not to leave because not only does he remind me where my rightful place is (under the stain in the carpet :P) but also as a former developer of SMF, I believe he offered to return under the right circumstances to help with 2.0 final.
Orstio: Re your comments to my observation, sure that's true too. I simply took it at face value that 75 posts *suggests* what I observed. Doesn't mean it will be the case - as you identified. But in most cases it's not entirely incorrect. *shrug* It's an observation rather than a judgement
Don't worry, he won't leave. He has 15,576 posts! He's not gonna leave them behind! BTW whats a Charter Member?
I have over double that and as no doubt Orstio will remind me, I've tried to leave more than once before being encouraged to not leave.
http://www.simplemachines.org/charter/
One day my money situation will improve and I will go charter again... ;D
I've had a few uproars of my own. Hang in there.
So what software do you switch to, dude? I will support you.
I'm switching to SMF. Why bother with second rate stuff? :P
Quote from: Antechinus on April 20, 2010, 02:32:51 PM
I'm switching to SMF. Why bother with second rate stuff? :P
+1^^.
SMF is still alive!
Thank you!
I was starting to become a bit disillusioned myself but all seems good again.
Thanks guys for hanging tough and biting a bullet when you had to :)
Still a lot of work to be done, but the surf's calming down, now. :)
Speaking of surf, the storm clouds are going away, also. And one former team member has rejoined
OT: LOL Kat why so upsidedown ;)
He's Australian. ;)
^^^ ;D
I noticed it a few days ago and got a good laugh out of it.
Quote from: live627 on April 21, 2010, 03:01:38 PM
Speaking of surf, the storm clouds are going away, also. And one former team member has rejoined
It takes a while for these of things. I wonder why the rejoin? Is it for the community? Their passion for SMF?
I'm only in it for the money.
Quote from: Antechinus on April 21, 2010, 06:27:47 PM
I'm only in it for the money.
+1
They tripled his salary. Now, what's 3*0 again? :P
SMF was always about the money...?
Think about what I said...
Quote from: Ha² on April 21, 2010, 06:29:10 PM
Now, what's 3*0 again?
3*0 = 0 :P
Math? Never heard of it :P
Quote from: Calumks on April 18, 2010, 05:36:36 AM
hmm, I guess your right, I do give ****. Not that this guy is leaving, but that he makes stupid topics like this. Although the one farewell topic I am looking forward to, is when you leave. One less smartass on the internet.
It seems to me that you calling someone else a smartass is like the pot calling the kettle black.
If I am not mistaken, the original post in this topic was about leaving the SMF software for something else. And of course, if one is not using the software, one would probably not frequent the boards too much either.
I would rather read a poster with 75 posts who has something constructive to say as someone with 300 posts who doesn't know what he is talking about.
You guys have a good weekend.
Very happy to come here.
Quote from: ML on April 22, 2010, 06:43:14 PM
Quote from: Calumks on April 18, 2010, 05:36:36 AM
hmm, I guess your right, I do give ****. Not that this guy is leaving, but that he makes stupid topics like this. Although the one farewell topic I am looking forward to, is when you leave. One less smartass on the internet.
It seems to me that you calling someone else a smartass is like the pot calling the kettle black.
If I am not mistaken, the original post in this topic was about leaving the SMF software for something else. And of course, if one is not using the software, one would probably not frequent the boards too much either.
I would rather read a poster with 75 posts who has something constructive to say as someone with 300 posts who doesn't know what he is talking about.
You guys have a good weekend.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, you don't even know me ether so I guess your like the pot calling the kettle black too. Anyway...
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I had a cookie for you all.... But I eated it...
Sorry...
SMF is going to easily last another 5 years, most likely more. It is the world's best free forum software, and it's name fits the way it runs. It is simple.
Amen to that!
Lol, I agree!
Quote from: live627 on April 21, 2010, 03:01:38 PM
Speaking of surf, the storm clouds are going away, also. And one former team member has rejoined
I said it before, SMF is no going anywhere.
Glad to see you all having fun here .... let's all laugh about it. Who buying the beer?
Must be the turn of any of the recent rejoining team members (what... 5 now if I'm not mistaken) or maybe the new lead (co-?)dev can buy a round... ;)
SMF is going farther than you know, Andy.
Jake: Did you read Andy's previous post? He knows the software isn't going to fall apart.
What? ??? He said SMF is going no where.
As in, it's not going to disappear off the face of the planet.
Oh lol, misunderstood him. I thought he meant that it isn't advancing. :P My bad. :-[
So, over the last few days, in no particular order we've seen Antechinus, JBlaze, [n3rve], [SiNaN] all return (my bad, 4, not 5), and Norv promoted to co-lead developer.
I'd definitely say that SMF isn't going anywhere - in terms of not disappearing off the face of the intarwebs :)
/me imagines the day when he gets promoted to lead something in SMF. He is learning PHP, MySQL, JavaScript, and HTML to help out more.
Quote from: Arantor on May 04, 2010, 04:20:54 PM
So, over the last few days, in no particular order we've seen Antechinus, JBlaze, [n3rve], [SiNaN] all return (my bad, 4, not 5), and Norv promoted to co-lead developer.
Not to mention that B and groundup traded places. :P
Quote from: Ha² on May 04, 2010, 04:35:11 PM
Quote from: Arantor on May 04, 2010, 04:20:54 PM
So, over the last few days, in no particular order we've seen Antechinus, JBlaze, [n3rve], [SiNaN] all return (my bad, 4, not 5), and Norv promoted to co-lead developer.
Not to mention that B and groundup traded places. :P
:D :D :D
Many things happen these days undercoverz!
/me gives a round of beer to everyone.
Only German beer, please. Sorry, I don't have others.
If I was old enough... :P I am German, so it wouldn't have been an issue with me. ;)
Glad to see people returning to the project.... however, have the things that caused them to leave in the first place been resolved, or do we risk another blowup in the future?
We are working on a number of things. Nobody, and I think I fully mean that, nobody wants another of those in any future. That's what we're working to make sure of.
News will be posted when we have some o' those. :)
People had to learn, metaphorically, to HEAR and not just listen, if that makes sense.
Yeah, I think we're getting there. :)
/me decides to go off topic real quick.
Kat, you keep changing the position of your avatar. :P
Quote from: Jake F. on May 04, 2010, 05:24:47 PM
/me decides to go off topic real quick.
Kat, you keep changing the position of your avatar. :P
:D :D :D
Don't tell him, there's no need to go back to that sitting-on-its-head-all-dizzying-thing!
We all know Kat has gone senile.
:)
It makes Norv go dizzy, so I keep moving him about. ;)
I might confuse him, totally, soon, by putting him the right way up. :)
Quote from: sremick on May 04, 2010, 05:06:13 PM
however, have the things that caused them to leave in the first place been resolved, or do we risk another blowup in the future?
I feel it's worth noting that, had things not been resolved or improved, I doubt that multiple people would have come back.
Good to see that it's all coming back together :) and probably stronger for it.
This is encouraging news.
The Cust. team is expanding, too:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?action=profile;u=126412
Quote from: Ha² on May 04, 2010, 06:11:14 PM
I feel it's worth noting that, had things not been resolved or improved, I doubt that multiple people would have come back.
Well, they were accused of "mob mentality" for leaving en masse. If one was to then believe the critics, that same "mob mentality" could explain them all joining again.
Less-cynical version: people have a tendency of following the group.
Will us lowly site admins, still struggling to decide whether the SMF project is worthy of our continued support and use, find out
what things were resolved/improved, and
how? Since we have a stake in this, and it's critical to what we do to know whether SMF is still a liability or software with a promising future.
"Those who ignore the past are condemned to repeat it."
Quote from: sremick on May 04, 2010, 10:36:24 PM
Will us lowly site admins
Not sure when you were called that? In fact, the main reason the SMF team exists, and the reason I've spent hundreds (maybe thousands?) of hours on SMF-related stuff, is to benefit the end user, so I'm not sure why you'd ever be called "lowly"...
Quote<snipped>find out what things were resolved/improved, and how?
You will, and it'll be when the things are able to be finished and (therefore) announced.
There is no official statement yet. It will be posted when we can.
Damn this is getting a lot of attention, this guy posted this on February 16, 2010 (almost 2 months ago) and it was his one of his last of only 75 posts (in 6 yrs). The topic "I do not think i will support this community any longer" doesn't really make any sense in the first place LOL
Guess he knew how to go out with a bang :D
Quote from: Norv on May 04, 2010, 10:44:59 PM
There is no official statement yet. It will be posted when we can.
We were told the same thing about the "discussions"/"negotiations"... about 4 months ago.
Sremick, both the Friends and Team have said in public that lots of progress has been made and is being made. Until things are set in stone, though, details released to the public would not do much good, since what is to come will require (and has required to get to this point) Team discussion, and no one knows for sure what the *exact* outcome of the discussion will be. If someone says "SituationA using Details1 is on its way!", but the discussion ends up bringing in SituationA using Details2 instead, it creates controversy and disappointment.
Quote from: sremick on May 04, 2010, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: Norv on May 04, 2010, 10:44:59 PM
There is no official statement yet. It will be posted when we can.
We were told the same thing about the "discussions"/"negotiations"... about 4 months ago.
That's at most 3 months, actually. :)
However, you're right. There still isn't much to be posted. I'm sorry.
However, the community started to see some results. I realize they're not miracles, but
some results. That's what they are. I would not tell you what to do, but I can tell I don't think it's fair to people working on this to simply dismiss them.
As you wish in the end, as far as your position about SMF is concerned.
When there will be news we can post, they surely will be posted.
Quote from: sremick on May 04, 2010, 10:36:24 PMQuote from: Ha² on May 04, 2010, 06:11:14 PMI feel it's worth noting that, had things not been resolved or improved, I doubt that multiple people would have come back.
Well, they were accused of "mob mentality" for leaving en masse. If one was to then believe the critics, that same "mob mentality" could explain them all joining again.
Less-cynical version: people have a tendency of following the group.
I was the first one back in. Guess that makes me a trend setter. 8)
My take on it, all joking aside, is that the others made their own decisions but for much the same reasons I did. We were mostly looking for similar things. I just happened to be first due to a couple of factors.
QuoteWill us lowly site admins, still struggling to decide whether the SMF project is worthy of our continued support and use, find out what things were resolved/improved, and how? Since we have a stake in this, and it's critical to what we do to know whether SMF is still a liability or software with a promising future.
If I didn't think it had a future I wouldn't be putting time and effort into it.
Quote"Those who ignore the past are condemned to repeat it."
Entirely agree with that, which is why I left initially. Basically I'm back because it is looking like we wont be condemned to repeat it.
Quote from: sremick on May 04, 2010, 10:36:24 PM
Well, they were accused of "mob mentality" for leaving en masse.
Something was done, which I won't bother to go into, again, here.
The way it was done was crass. No other word for it.
A lot of people saw red, myself included.
The straw broke the came's back and that was that.
Bridges have been built and, with any luck and a following wind, all will be good. :)
wow... way to mix your cliches and metaphors...
O:)
Quote from: Kat on May 05, 2010, 09:56:28 AM
Something was done, which I won't bother to go into, again, here.
The way it was done was crass. No other word for it.
A lot of people saw red, myself included.
The straw broke the came's back and that was that.
Bridges have been built and, with any luck and a following wind, all will be good. :)
Well I know the history... I'm just trying to emphasize the point that lots of other people, who aren't the ones privy to details about the "bridges" that "have been built", also know the history and details as to what originally happened. Those people would like something more than "trust us" as a reason to feel confident that the whole thing isn't just going to bubble over again later on down the line. The trust was broken when those in-charge demonstrated they couldn't be trusted.
Most of us probably know a couple who broke up for specific reasons, then after some time apart decided to get back together, only to later break up again because the original reasons they broke up were never addressed. Perhaps the cycle repeated many times. Us site admins don't want to go through that here.
If the details will be forthcoming, then fine... but it's important to re-emphasize that this needs to not be just yet another empty promise like so many other vaporware promises we've received. You don't need to just rebuild bridges to your core team, but you need to also rebuild them with those site admins using SMF who were caught in the crossfire and are now justifiably wary of continuing to use an uncertain product with a toxic and unreliable development team.
And for the details to be believable, they need to be honest and frank, treating us like informed people who aren't gullible idiots... not the PR BS that was dished out during the big explosion earlier this year. Everyone saw right through that and if that's all we get this time around, it'll only make things worse. That's what worries me about the delay of the details: the longer they're delayed, the more it's obvious that the wording is being massaged and manipulated into more of a substanceless PR statement, and less of the open and blunt statement that is direly needed. The "truth" doesn't need time to be "worked"... it can be as clear in its current form to us users of SMF as it was to convince team members to return.
Quote from: Kindred on May 05, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
wow... way to mix your cliches and metaphors...
O:)
I ate a thesaurus, for breakfast. ;)
sremick...
It seems, to me, that whatever anybody puts, here, you're not going to be satisfied.
You seem to think that this is some kind of soap opera that you've missed a few episodes of and you're trying to see the missed episodes.
I won't bother asking why, because, frankly, I don't give a damn.
It happened. It's done and over with.
It's in the past and that's where it should stay.
The only thing that this constant returning to it is likely to achieve is the reopening of old wounds, on both sides.
Please... Give it a rest. ;)
Actually, not true, Kat. And while I respect you, that sort of dismissive stance isn't very constructive. :(
What would "satisfy" me is simply what I've been asking for since the start:
I know the specifics of why things came to a head and exploded before. I would like to know the specifics about what has been addressed and changed to keep it from happening again, for me to be confident continuing to use SMF.
I think that's simple enough, and not unreasonable.
Burying things in the past and ignoring them is not the way to ensure a successful future. Either the issues have been addressed, or they haven't. If they have, let's hear how so we can rest easy. If they haven't, then it's all just going to explode again later so we site admins know we need to find a different course. Telling us to all STFU and pretend nothing happened is not helpful... and comes off as rather suspicious. I hope that wasn't your intent.
Quote from: sremick on May 05, 2010, 10:54:40 AM
Well I know the history... I'm just trying to emphasize the point that lots of other people, who aren't the ones privy to details about the "bridges" that "have been built", also know the history and details as to what originally happened. Those people would like something more than "trust us" as a reason to feel confident that the whole thing isn't just going to bubble over again later on down the line. The trust was broken when those in-charge demonstrated they couldn't be trusted.
Most of us probably know a couple who broke up for specific reasons, then after some time apart decided to get back together, only to later break up again because the original reasons they broke up were never addressed. Perhaps the cycle repeated many times. Us site admins don't want to go through that here.
How did you "break up" with SMF? Being concerned about a relationship is different than ending it altogether.
Quote
If the details will be forthcoming, then fine... but it's important to re-emphasize that this needs to not be just yet another empty promise like so many other vaporware promises we've received.
What vaporware promises have you received? And, I'd like to make sure to clarify that these are not promises about progress.
QuoteYou don't need to just rebuild bridges to your core team, but you need to also rebuild them with those site admins using SMF who were caught in the crossfire and are now justifiably wary of continuing to use an uncertain product with a toxic and unreliable development team.
Indeed, it will take time and effort, but in time, SMF will be stronger than it was in pre-hitting-fan January of 2010.
Quote
And for the details to be believable, they need to be honest and frank, treating us like informed people who aren't gullible idiots... not the PR BS that was dished out during the big explosion earlier this year. Everyone saw right through that and if that's all we get this time around, it'll only make things worse. That's what worries me about the delay of the details: the longer they're delayed, the more it's obvious that the wording is being massaged and manipulated into more of a substanceless PR statement, and less of the open and blunt statement that is direly needed. The "truth" doesn't need time to be "worked"... it can be as clear in its current form to us users of SMF as it was to convince team members to return.
/me sighs.
If it was a substanceless PR statement,
why would the Team members be returning? Just to turn around and leave again?
Quote from: Ha² on May 05, 2010, 11:26:30 AM
How did you "break up" with SMF? Being concerned about a relationship is different than ending it altogether.
I didn't. Others did: former team members. And it affected the rest of us. Since there are many of us with a "concern" in SMF (we use it on our sites), it's in our interest to know how the issues have been resolved.
QuoteWhat vaporware promises have you received? And, I'd like to make sure to clarify that these are not promises about progress.
Back when there were "discussions" starting, we were promised updates about their progress. After like 2 months, there were still no updates... and eventually even the post mentioning the talks and promising updates was removed.
This technique of "buy time, wait for dust to settle, then sweep it under the rug" is not helpful.
QuoteIndeed, it will take time and effort, but in time, SMF will be stronger than it was in pre-hitting-fan January of 2010.
I truly hope so, and want to share your confidence. Which is why I would hope those with this newfound confidence can share their reasons for now feeling so so the rest of us can join.
QuoteIf it was a substanceless PR statement, why would the Team members be returning? Just to turn around and leave again?
I was referring to the one from months ago, posted from the remaining SMF team members back when everything exploded. That one didn't suddenly get team members returning, and was factually flawed in many ways, and full of unjustified PR optimism (which was proven with several months of stagnated development and further team departures). The hypothetical upcoming statement... the one related to team members returning... we don't know about yet. I was simply stating my hope that it not be like the other one.
Not sure why I'm being demonized and so much resistance: we know what went wrong and what was broken, why can't we know how it's been fixed?
And Sremick... just because you were over on the smf-friends site, do not suggest that "you know the specifics", because, very obviously, you do not.
There were issues. There are still some issues. There will ALWAYS be issues when you get more than 2 people together.
However, we are dealing with the issues. There have been no PR "vaporware" statements. Every statement that I have made, as THE official Operations Manager and representative of the SM teams has been completely true and honest. If We do not choose to share the specific details, that is because, quite honestly, the details and the "dirty laundry" do not matter. The only thing that matters is the OUTCOME and the EFFECT that it has or will have on the community.
The posts that you mention were not removed, they were just un-stickied. We have moved beyond that crap. Why can't you?
When there is something specific to communicate, I, or one of the marketing folks will present it as an announcement. Until then, we are moving back onto the tracks, people are being invited to the teams and people are rejoining the teams. We are moving forward. So, please keep your negativity and your BS to yourself.
Use SMF, or don't.
If what you've read doesn't convince you, either way, nothing we say is going to make your mind up, for you, one way or the other.
In fact, what you're doing smacks of trolling and nothing more.
If you want to keep using SMF, GREAT!
If you want to pack up your forum and use something else, GREAT!
/me puts this topic on ignore.
The views of this person are not, necessarily, those of SMF.
I don't think he is trolling. I think he is concerned. In all fairness he does have some grounds for this.
Look, in an effort not to look like I'm butting in, I've done some work for this guy many times and I can tell you right now he loves SMF, and he's very worried. He just wants some solid reassurance because he also loves his community and his niche is a very competitive one, so he cannot afford to lose it because his forum software collapsed (not saying SMF is or will) or...to be frank, isnt being developed fast enough.
I don't see why you guys, who are so confident of the changes, can't just tell the public "hey these were the issues and here's how we fixed them, and we're confident about these fixes". It would be very good publicity and make you a role model of sorts for other projects in this sort of situation.
Because the changes aren't finished yet, that's obvious to see. Some of the changes that were being called for are big.
The changes in progress are big, in the good sense, and take time. Please be patient, it can be explained only if and when it's finished...
Instead of stirring up drama, hows about we take a break from bantering and wasting time on reassuring someone who can't bother to listen.
We all know what is really going on, so let's give it time to pan out before we create unnecessary drama.
Quote from: JBlaze on May 05, 2010, 06:57:48 PM
Instead of stirring up drama, hows about we take a break from bantering and wasting time on reassuring someone who can't bother to listen.
We all know what is really going on, so let's give it time to pan out before we create unnecessary drama.
He's listening JB, and that's not a very nice thing to say to a community member.
All you guys have said is "we're peachy, our word should be enough for you". Sorry, but sometimes people need a little more than "trust us" to be reassured, especially when so many of them thought the project was on the verge of collapse not long ago.
No, what they're saying is, things are improving, but they're not ready to share just yet because things aren't quite finished yet!
Like I said. Like others have said.
Do every one a favor and lock it.
:-X
InB4Lock
What was done is done.
It's time to eye the future :)
Quote from: Kindred on May 05, 2010, 11:43:46 AMSo, please keep your negativity and your BS to yourself.
Quote from: Kat on May 05, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
In fact, what you're doing smacks of trolling and nothing more.
Quote from: JBlaze on May 05, 2010, 06:57:48 PM
someone who can't bother to listen.
Welcome to the new SMF. *sigh*
Thank you to Jade and Antechinus, who at least instead of getting all ruffled at "oh noes someone's mentioning January again... FLAME HIM", understood that I was asking a question. One that was not answered and I was condemned for having the gall to ask in the first place. Heaven forbid that an admin of an SMF site wouldn't want something like January to happen again.
As for the rest of you: hope you enjoyed personally insulting a 1.5y loyal SMF member who was simply concerned about the "future" that RoyalDuke suggests we look to.
Lock this thread if you want... I don't care, since I'm not allowed to and doing so is grounds for being called a "troll". Whatever. SMF depresses and saddens me now. The community is toxic and unfriendly.
For clarity, I never mentioned anyone specifically. My point is that we don't need posts in the community asking questions that we obviously don't have 100% answers to.
Just let it be known that we are working on a solution, but that solution takes time to fufill. Give it time to pan out.
That is all.
I can see the point that when there is news/changes to announce then it will be announced and there is still a lot to work on but there have been changes. New staff members have been added, some being former staff members returning. Others have been helping out like Runic dealing with theme approvals.
Are these not changes that affect SMF, that shows progression and improvement yet there has been no announcement to anyone really other than some posts made by members to welcome people to the team on SMF but these were made in ChitChat and from what I can see no official announcement has been made from SMF itself.
A simple post from someone like Kindred or someone with similar status within SMF welcoming these people to the SMF staff and possible a footnote to thank those who are presently assisting the team but are not atual staff members could of been welcomed by members and also been reassuring to members that there is progress and positive things happening.
People don't need to know all the in's and out's of the "boardroom" decisions, discussions and plans but just small measures like I mentioned above would go a long way in just providing reassurances and openess from SMF to it's members.
There's changes happening every day, it seems. On top of the aforementioned, we've seen new people come on board, new beta testers...
I've always thought actions spoke louder than words - and action seems to be happening, so I'll wait contentedly to watch action rather than wait for some prepared statement...
No offence Arantor but being a former staff member, who is probably privvy to more information than most through whatever channels, then you probably know a lot more about whats going on than most members here would know.
You probably see or hear about more actions happening than a lot of people so to them people then they aren't seeing a lot of action, so words would speak louder to them, even in the small capacity i stated about announcing/welcoming people to staff and a thank you to those who are offering help.
All the real backroom stuff is really not required, thats between Management and Staff but just simple measures like a small announcement about new staff/those offering help would take seconds to do and I feel personally and from seeing things that have been said by others on here and that have been said to me privately, a small measure like this would be reassuring to members.
I keep seeing it said that when there is progress and changes then it will be announced but to members knowing there are new staff, returning staff and people offering help are BIG changes as far as they are concerned as at 1 point the SMF staff were seriously depleated.
There was a lack of staff support, lack of mod approvals and theme approvals because of the staff depletion but that has changed now so that is something big as far as members and members who are mod authors and theme authors are concerned - might be small to SMF but to general members i think the weight of them changes are quite big.
I have no rights, no permissions, no extra boards, no badge, nothing other than what you see on my profile. Anything I do know about the team that isn't public is based on what I knew from January. I hear *rumours* but I know plenty of others hear rumours too.
What I do know, though, is that hints have been given out publicly. For example I had a feeling before Norv was promoted to co-lead dev that he would be given that status. Not because of any rumour, but because I said that only Compuart had the ability to publish builds (which, as far as I knew was the case), then Antechinus said that it might not be entirely true, at that point Norv was already in the dev team, so it wasn't a huge leap to do 2+2. This was all public, btw.
I'm just more active, and see the signs that are there.
I agree, a formal statement wouldn't hurt, but I'd rather see the team actually move on things - which they're doing - rather than worry about making a prepared statement.
Let's say an announcement was made when a couple of people had returned. Then as more people return, you're going to do another announcement? At what point do you make the announcement? Thing is: change changes things. If you make a statement about something that's in the process of changing day by day, the announcement is quickly out of date or else you keep editing it, which sort of defeats the point of announcements being milestones.
I can understand all the impatience, but please be patient. All will come in time and hour.
Oh well spoze new staff after the period of sod all staff and a whole heap of ******, lack support, lack mod and theme approvals isnt important to members, that smf staff are getting back on track and we should all wait for these huge milestone announcements rather than what is probably most important to most members on a day to day basis
Bored of hearing about the big things in the future and announcements being made when those big things happen - most people are more interested in day to day as they ask for support on a daily basis, submit mods and themes on daily basis and run their sites from day to day and the lack of staff seriously affected that and it would just been nice to tell people hey look we know things have been a bit dificult lately but we would like to welcome new staff members - (which could be updated if after the initial bulk of new staff were added further names were announced.) - rather than having to rely on listening to rumours and gossip for any changes happening.
What might be small things to SMF and its management can be big things to members and isn't SMF about it's community and it's members - like i said we don't need or want to know who said what and what things have been discussed over coffee and biscuits in the boardroom but we would like to know about things that affect us from day to day, like a bunch new staff being added.
Glad to see people rejoining the team!!
And I'm seeing a lot of more work in mantis! :)
Stop <Snipped by Kat> discussing this, who cares.
/thread
Quote from: Magestickown on May 07, 2010, 01:24:05 PM
Stop <Snipped by Kat, again> discussing this, who cares.
/thread
Please watch your language, this is a family friendly forum.
That's why there's a "Censored words" feature, Lizzy...
Quote from: Kat on May 07, 2010, 02:01:59 PM
That's why there's a "Censored words" feature, Lizzy...
That may be so, but that doesnt mean it's a polite thing to do. Besides, all he's doing by adding "stop talking about it" is causing it to be bumped, thereby more people see it, and that will cause more talk.
Yeah, I'm with that. :)
I think we ought to vote on having this entire topic removed, now, don't you?
I'm posting because I'm sick and tired of having this topic bump my Show new replies to your posts box. I posted once expecting this to be a troll thread.
Quote from: Magestickown on May 07, 2010, 02:41:20 PM
I'm posting because I'm sick and tired of having this topic bump my Show new replies to your posts box. I posted once expecting this to be a troll thread.
You shouldn't of posted in a thread you had no interest in then, that way it wouldn't keep coming up would it...... you're a victim of your own stupidity
I am sick of talking about this. How much longer you reckon we can drag this out for? lol
What I've heard is that Simplemachines is forming with another unspecified name to create a new SMF, once 2.0 is final. Is that true? Please don't ask me to tell you who passed this on.
:o
p.s Hey Jade!
SMF will stand for Superb Machines Forum. :)
Quote from: razor_edge on May 07, 2010, 02:57:16 PM
I am sick of talking about this. How much longer you reckon we can drag this out for? lol
What I've heard is that Simplemachines is forming with another unspecified name to create a new SMF, once 2.0 is final. Is that true? Please don't ask me to tell you who passed this on.
:o
p.s Hey Jade!
I wonder if that would be considered big :)
I sorta forget what other nick you went under razor_edge. I just remember it was a nick that had alot of history with SMF. With that nagging thought I guess you would not throw out rumors or stir of nonsense.
Frank
Quote from: stikkki on May 07, 2010, 02:50:24 PM
Quote from: Magestickown on May 07, 2010, 02:41:20 PM
I'm posting because I'm sick and tired of having this topic bump my Show new replies to your posts box. I posted once expecting this to be a troll thread.
You shouldn't of posted in a thread you had no interest in then, that way it wouldn't keep coming up would it...... you're a victim of your own stupidity
Not stupidity.
Also there's another word for it. It's called ignorance...
Causing a topic that you don't want bumped to get bumped even more does seem a bit daft...
Quote from: Kat on May 07, 2010, 03:13:12 PM
Causing a topic that you don't want bumped to get bumped even more does seem a bit daft...
Explain to me how I was supposed to know 17000 people were going to view the topic and post in it daily?...
You weren't.
That's the joy of a good forum.
You never know what'll happen next! :)
Well as its a forum, topics get started, posts get made in it, more people post, then someone else posts etc etc etc so sorry if we are just doing what a forum is intended for but if it's any consolation i suppose you've learned a lesson here......
don't post in topics you have no real interest in and that way it won't come up on the Unread replies because other people have the audacity to post in the same topic.....
o
Quote from: stikkki on May 07, 2010, 03:36:28 PM
Well as its a forum, topics get started, posts get made in it, more people post, then someone else posts etc etc etc so sorry if we are just doing what a forum is intended for but if it's any consolation i suppose you've learned a lesson here......
don't post in topics you have no real interest in and that way it won't come up on the Unread replies because other people have the audacity to post in the same topic.....
Oh I thought I was an idiot though. What happened to that?
*me wonders from my last post how you came to the conclusion I was saying you wasn't an idiot
Quote from: stikkki on May 07, 2010, 04:11:43 PM
*me wonders from my last post how you came to the conclusion I was saying you wasn't an idiot
*me wonders why you were calling me an idiot if you can't use simple, correct grammar
/me wonders why people can't use the /me command correctly :o
Hey men, calm down!!
Nice weather, for the time of year, innit?
Quote from: Magestickown on May 07, 2010, 05:07:18 PM
Quote from: stikkki on May 07, 2010, 04:11:43 PM
*me wonders from my last post how you came to the conclusion I was saying you wasn't an idiot
*me wonders why you were calling me an idiot if you can't use simple, correct grammar
My grammer might be crap but that doesn't make me an idiot it just means i'm lazy most the time.
I would be an idiot tho if I complain about a topic and don't want it appearing on unread replies all the time then post in that topic that then makes someone reply which in turn then places said topic back on the unread replies......
Here I'll help you out. This topic is turning into a troll war.
Locked.
Quote from: razor_edge on May 07, 2010, 02:57:16 PM
What I've heard is that Simplemachines is forming with another unspecified name to create a new SMF, once 2.0 is final. Is that true? Please don't ask me to tell you who passed this on.
I won't ask you who you heard it from but it is a completely unfounded and incorrect statement...