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Title: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 04, 2005, 03:06:43 AM
Hello all,


I have started to port my application CM2F, which allows to create a bridge  between mail based communications (like yahoo groups or Mailinglists) and forums, to SMF.
I have received the petition from a couple of users in the last weeks, but initially i was not sure  about doing it because the lack of time that i had and the porting activities that i was currently doing for other solutions.
During the tests that i have performed with the applications i liked it, and saw that the porting could be easy, so i have started it.

At this moment and after some hardwork, taking the fact that my server is currently down due to hackers (security hole not created by CM2F) i have been able to have CM2F admin interfaces displayed and working at 75% in SMF. This allows to make the major configurations to that rules how the systems behaves.
The only options that are not working currently are the ones that needs directly to have some feed from the Forum, like for instance the the forum identification data. I am not forseing any major difficulty has i have been working for my other ports to have a MetaLayer that will create a interface for this kind of information.

I am hopping to have a fully working version by the end of this week that i will open to a limited  number of users in order to see what bugs are still present.



Regards,
D.

www.digitalgraal.dyndns.org
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: gri on July 04, 2005, 03:50:39 AM
Hello all,

I have started to port my application CM2F, which allows to create a bridge  between mail based communications (like yahoo groups or Mailinglists) and forums to SMF.
I am hopping to have a fully working version by the end of this week that i will open to a limited  number of users in order to see what bugs are still present.

Regards,
D.

www.digitalgraal.dyndns.org

digitalgraal,
Please add me to that limited number of users..
for participating in testing.
There is a good reason to develop the product
which is needed by World Mankind.. not SMF Team only.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: rhizome on July 04, 2005, 07:25:19 AM
Hi D

Thanks for your efforts. It will be a great add-on to smf
Will be pleased to help beta test it

rhizome
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: alitahir on July 04, 2005, 08:53:18 AM
I would like to be included  too in this list of valuable beta testers::)

Thanks for developping such an important  functionality for the rest of us.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 07, 2005, 12:15:16 PM
Good news every one.

I have the admin interface 100% integrated into SMF admin interface. It fully integrates as the other functions and it is calling the other functions just like SMF.
I need now to remove all the debug information that i had to put in the screens and to make it modular since my goal is too keep CM2F in just one release package able to adapt it self to the running environment.

It has been a very good excercise as i have now a fully modular administration modules that is able to be port to other portals and other forums nicely. This was one of my main problems when thinking in moving CM2F to other mods.

I should be able to post screenshots  in a couple of days,

regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Tobias Eigen on July 07, 2005, 06:39:29 PM
Hi -

I'm very glad all this is going on. Please keep us informed of your progress and let us know when you have something to test so we can help you.

I just returned from a few days off (moving to Seattle and playing with fireworks) and see that only rhizome came to check it out - I'd be happy to show it to others that are interested in this type of functionality.

Cheers,

Tobias
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: euripides on July 08, 2005, 05:34:24 AM
please also keep us informed.

this is such an important feature for many, many of my forums!!

This is great!
if this exists anywhere, could we also have a link to it?

TIA.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: alitahir on July 08, 2005, 05:56:03 AM
Pleased to hear good news
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: rhizome on July 08, 2005, 08:18:28 AM
Hi D

Great to hear that you have made such excellent progress  8)

Looking forward to testing it
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 09, 2005, 04:18:39 AM
Hello All,

once every thing is cleaned of all the debug information, as i have done for the other ports, i will setup a new demo environment to have people testing CM2F with SMF.

For now, i have already been able to import a couple of emails, but i am not able to post, and attachments are not yet enabled as i need to understand how attachments are implemented in SMF.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: [Unknown] on July 10, 2005, 02:37:27 AM
and attachments are not yet enabled as i need to understand how attachments are implemented in SMF.

Which part?

Essentially, it's a many to one relationship - the attachments table points to the messages table.  This allows many attachments per a single post.

The filenames are "encrypted" with the "getAttachmentFilename" function in Subs.php.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 11, 2005, 12:38:40 PM
At this moment, i don't know which part is not working. I have not had time to dig up too much in the attachments.

My main point was trying to find the frameword that would allow me then to create a way to integrate the administration interface with other forums.

I am now looking in the attachments, and it seems that it will not represent a problem to have working soon. Thank you for the information you send, it has been quite useful.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: gsbe on July 13, 2005, 01:36:34 AM
Good luck, digitalgraal. This will be what we've all been waiting for when released. Let us know if you need any more help with your work. Cheers to you!
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Ed Teune on July 13, 2005, 11:34:35 AM
Digitalgraal, keep up the good work, I, personally am chomping at the bit to use your mod in every forum I administer.
Please add me to beta testers if possible, this will be the greatest thing since sliced mangos on sticky rice.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 18, 2005, 04:53:30 PM
Hi All,

this is a rather strange question, but the truth, is that until i have been unable to find where HTML is enabled in SMF.
CM2F is importing messages into the forum correctly when text messages, but when it comes to HTML i am not able to switch on HTML support in SMF.

Could some one point me to the right configuration screen? I think that i am becoming good with the kernel of the forum, but still very bad with the interfaces.

I am now setting up the test forum for smf at smf.digitalgraal.dyndns.org. The integration is not full, and some of the functions will not be activated as i am still trying to figure out how to address simple things like the html one.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: [Unknown] on July 18, 2005, 06:18:16 PM
i am not able to switch on HTML support in SMF.

SMF does not allow users to post HTML, for security reasons among other things.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 18, 2005, 06:43:04 PM
ok,

that means then that the only option is to simple clean any message of all the HTML tags.

What is the formatting language that you are then using in the forum? bbcode? If this is the case, then what i have to do, is simply to convert any incoming html message into the native formatting language, no?

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: [Unknown] on July 18, 2005, 07:15:07 PM
Yeah - most things are pretty simple - <strong> and <b> to , etc.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: gsbe on July 18, 2005, 07:25:55 PM
What is the formatting language that you are then using in the forum? bbcode? If this is the case, then what i have to do, is simply to convert any incoming html message into the native formatting language, no?
There was quite a bit of work done with BBCODE conversion on the m2f project. You may want to look into their code and see how they're doing it...
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 19, 2005, 04:08:49 AM
Hi gsbe,

i don't think i need to look at the code of M2F... M2F is my project too. I am the original author of M2F and then i forked to CM2F, so the code is very well known to me, and i don't want to go that way. I have already a couple of functions to do the transformation, so i don-t think it will be a problem.
My problem is that i was thinking that SMF supported HTML,  and i was not seeing how to do it. This was quite frustating for some one that have spent the last 4 years coding forum code ...
Now that i now that is not supported, it is just a question of transformation the code, which is already done:)... Yesterday evening after the reply to this thread, i have started and integrated the conversion code, so this means that now CM2F, in its M2F feature is already processing correctly incoming messages.
I am now moving into the attachments in order to have a class enabled to process attachments the way SMF does. I am not expecting too much work as the attachment implementation in SMF is much more simple than the PhpBB one.

The status then for the port is now the following:

- Administrative interfaces, 90%, after a changes in the code i have, somehow, create a problem with the integration of the admin interfaces, the options from CM2F are displayed in SMF admin menu, you can click on it, and go to the CM2F ones. But before, the CM2F appeared embebbed in the admin layout of SMF, and now they are appearing by it self. So i need to see what changed, in order to get back the integration fully working.
- M2F options, working at 85%, there are some replies that are changing the ordering of the messages in SMF threads, so i need to debug this thing out.
- F2M options, the subscibe function is not yet working, i have not coded it yet. the mailing functions are the same (with the exception of the attachs which need to be adpated) and are working without to much problems.Status is 70%.

I am setting up a SMF live demo site to allow users to test CM2F over SMF, the url will be smf.digitalgraal.dyndns.org


Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: [Unknown] on July 19, 2005, 04:31:49 AM
My problem is that i was thinking that SMF supported HTML

Well, I guess my statement was misleading.  Actually:

1. If you put HTML into the messages table, it will work.  But, you won't be able to quote or edit it without losing it.  This is actually intentional (both parts) for anyone who wants HTML in a post bad enough that they will edit it (and was the 1.0 way of having HTML in your posts.)

2. 1.1 introduces an [html] tag, allowed only to administrators, which allows you to post HTML directly.  If quoted or edited, again, by someone who is not an administrator, the HTML will be shown (not the tags.)  This is again intentional.

But, for the purposes of what I assume you to be doing, it does not support HTML.  In either case, anything that can't be (easily) converted to HTML... I would argue has no business being posted.  Just my opinion, however, and probably the opposite of many who want this feature, I suppose.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 19, 2005, 04:39:24 AM
hi,

If the forum works like this and everyone is fine with it, i don't think that it will be a problem. Most of the SMF users are already used to the fact that HTML is restricted and by this, they will not be waiting that CM2F to support it.

Since CM2F on this options is always using the Forum solution, if later, you decide to implement HTML, CM2F will adapt to this.

The task that i am now in, is to enable the subscription interface, my first thougt is to have it included like the options that you have on hte forum, a button like the Home, Help, Profile, would it be acceptable?


Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: gri on July 19, 2005, 04:42:46 AM
I am setting up a SMF live demo site to allow users to test CM2F over SMF, the url will be smf.digitalgraal.dyndns.org

digitalgraal,

would you like to install [Unknown]'s mod

~Preferred interface language mod~

for switching Forum Interface Language

from the common forum pages ?

I'm interested both in english and russian options.


[Unknown],

please show the link to it.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 19, 2005, 04:46:33 AM
Hi,

can you point me to the mod?

Although i am looking into the core of SMF, i am not very familiar with the options available.

So if any one wants to have some specific feature, please let me know and point me to the place where i could get more information.

One point that i am very interrested in to test, is the integration if CMS, can some one give me a list of the Portals where SMF runs?

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: [Unknown] on July 19, 2005, 04:54:32 AM
The task that i am now in, is to enable the subscription interface, my first thougt is to have it included like the options that you have on hte forum, a button like the Home, Help, Profile, would it be acceptable?

I'm not sure I understand; if you just mean including those links in the emails out, I'm afraid I'm not really one to ask about such aesthetic things... I assume it would be fine (but logout wouldn't be possible.)

can you point me to the mod?

You'll want to ignore gri :P.  Frankly I haven't the foggiest what he's talking about (I never do.)  He speaks Russian natively, but I'm told he's not much easier to understand even in his native tongue.  And, don't worry - he knows he confuses the junk out of me, and probably enjoys it, so I'm sure I'm not insulting him.

The only thing I can think of is a topic I posted in Tips and Tricks, which explains that you can put ?language=... in the URL to easily switch languages (and using JavaScript, to make buttons to do this for you, without losing the current page.)  But, that's neither a mod nor seemingly pertinent, here....

One point that i am very interrested in to test, is the integration if CMS, can some one give me a list of the Portals where SMF runs?

MK-Portal, Dreamportal (or something like that.. not free), and Mambo most specifically.  There's work being done on both XOOPS and PHP-Nuke, as well as a few others.  I've heard Drupal mentioned, and I know PHP-CMS uses an older version of SMF on their own website.  I've also integrated it into other software, including MediaWiki (if you consider that a CMS of sorts.)

Luckily, 1.1 makes integration with CMS's and similar engines much, much easier (from feedback, which I must say I/we never got with YaBB SE afaik) so there may be an increase in supporting portals (or maybe not, it's always so hard to tell.)

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 19, 2005, 05:17:11 AM
hi unknown

The subscription i was referring too, was to have a link included in the forum header, that would allow SMF users to subscribe to a specific forum and to receive by email any message posted in the forum, once they received the message they are able to reply to it by email.

In phpBB, the subscibre link is being displayed near the header options, link Profile, help, register. So i will probably included it in the same way using the icons that i am seing in this forum.

Regarding the portals i will take a look at them in order to see what is necessary to integrate and to see if they are specifities to have in account in order to have CM2F working other the pair SMF +CMS.

I will try to look aslo that the modification for the language thing, but the implementation will depend on the volume of work it requires.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: [Unknown] on July 19, 2005, 05:22:50 AM
The subscription i was referring too, was to have a link included in the forum header, that would allow SMF users to subscribe to a specific forum and to receive by email any message posted in the forum, once they received the message they are able to reply to it by email.

Ah, sorry, I understand now.  I would personally suggest doing that in the profile - where SMF already does it.  You can already request notification (we call it notification, not subscription) from boards by clicking the "notify" buttons, and see which boards you have requested notification from there.  Topics are also listed there, paginated and the whole lot.  If you wish to extend this interface, or add buttons, I would suggest leaving it there (because, in my opinion, that would be the easiest way to do it and also the most logical.)

Quote
Regarding the portals i will take a look at them in order to see what is necessary to integrate and to see if they are specifities to have in account in order to have CM2F working other the pair SMF +CMS.

Ah, don't worry about that.  They all use bridging or SMF's members table (partially because SMF's hash is much stronger than that of most other software, and more so in 1.1.)  You'll not need to worry about pulling data from anywhere else even in other portals (at least as current.)

Languages are handled in many places already - we use a function called loadLanguage(), but the basic idea is that the member's preferred language is stored in the "lngfile" column.  I would suggest sifting outgoing mails into groups of languages, and then sending/parsing/etc. each set separately.  Search the code for "mem.lngfile" for examples.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: rhizome on July 19, 2005, 06:02:05 AM
The subscription i was referring too, was to have a link included in the forum header, that would allow SMF users to subscribe to a specific forum and to receive by email any message posted in the forum, once they received the message they are able to reply to it by email.

Ah, sorry, I understand now.  I would personally suggest doing that in the profile - where SMF already does it.  You can already request notification (we call it notification, not subscription) from boards by clicking the "notify" buttons, and see which boards you have requested notification from there.  Topics are also listed there, paginated and the whole lot.  If you wish to extend this interface, or add buttons, I would suggest leaving it there (because, in my opinion, that would be the easiest way to do it and also the most logical.)

-[Unknown]

That does seem the most logical place to put it.
Though could it be confusing in relation to the current Notify button which is context specific for either Topic or Board notification

Is it the case then that Notify feature would remain as it is? Just an email notification being sent out
And the CM2F feature would be independent - where it works being selectable for a particular board in the forum.

So, we would then have two different kind of 'notifications' at board level:
(i) Notify at board level as is now
(ii) Subscription via CM2F

Then would (i) and (ii) be mutually exclusive, otherwise you'd be getting two types of notification?

Gettting confused  :P
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Tobias Eigen on July 19, 2005, 12:52:30 PM
Hi everyone -

Glad to see all this progress with cm2f/smf. I can't tell you how thrilling it is to see this happening.

A few thoughts:

1) I agree with unknown and rhizome re the placement of the subscription option - and list of forums the user is subscribed to - in the profile page. This is a slick aspect of the existing system. I do however think it would be nice to be able to subscribe/unsubscribe directly from the forum.

2) I like having the option of notify/subscribe - for some forums I will want to get every post. For others I will just want to know something has been posted. [Incidentally, I have a problem tracking this particular thread in that if I ignore a notification, I don't get further notifications of more posts - unless I come check the forum. This is inconvenient, and different from other forums I'm on. I'll check after posting this message to see if this is configurable in my profile page, but I don't think so.]

3) Sounds like cm2f will replace any mailing list manager. I would prefer the option of continuing with mailman (or whatever other mailing list manager) rather than asking you to take on the huge task of accounting for all the mail handling and subscriber management. This is done quite elegantly with fud/mailman on my current system. Still, looking forward to seeing what you put together.

Keep up the good work and keep us all posted! Looking forward to a version we can help you test.

Cheers,

Tobias

ps - as regards my cm2f/mambo suggestion: you (and others here) might  be interested in hearing there is a nifty mambo addon called mambobymail that is is in rc3 status - see http://mbaas.de - works very well for adding articles to mambo by email.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: rhizome on July 19, 2005, 01:28:06 PM

2) I like having the option of notify/subscribe - for some forums I will want to get every post. For others I will just want to know something has been posted. [Incidentally, I have a problem tracking this particular thread in that if I ignore a notification, I don't get further notifications of more posts - unless I come check the forum. This is inconvenient, and different from other forums I'm on. I'll check after posting this message to see if this is configurable in my profile page, but I don't think so.]

In your profile, if you uncheck 'Receive reply notification only for the first unread reply' this means you will continue to get notifications
Well, I think that's how it works??  Though I reckon it needs be made clearer and reworded as it assumes you know what the default setting is in terms of how notifications are set, and most ordinary users won't know either way.

Quote
3) Sounds like cm2f will replace any mailing list manager. I would prefer the option of continuing with mailman (or whatever other mailing list manager) rather than asking you to take on the huge task of accounting for all the mail handling and subscriber management. This is done quite elegantly with fud/mailman on my current system.
I'm sure Digitalgraal will fill us in on how it works, but I think it can be integrated with a mailing list; and/or produce a digest?
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 19, 2005, 01:34:39 PM
Hi,


I was already thinking in putting the subscribe button associated with each thread, allowing thus way to a user to only subscribe to the forum. Since i need to dig in the subscribe function for SMF, i might coded it.

Regarding the way CM2F operates, the answer is that it depends on how you want it to run. If you want you can use it to replace a mailinglist, or if not you can just integrate it with the Mailinglist. The forum2Mail registers can be used to send messages to subscribers, or just to a mailing list, that will then distribute the messages to the susbcribers.

The philosophy behing CM2F is to be as much flexibles as possible.

In my case i have it working with mailinglists. The users are not allowed to subscribe. They need to susbcribe to the majordomo mailinlist.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: [Unknown] on July 19, 2005, 06:31:09 PM
I was already thinking in putting the subscribe button associated with each thread, allowing thus way to a user to only subscribe to the forum. Since i need to dig in the subscribe function for SMF, i might coded it.

You'll want to look at Subs-Post.php, Post.php, and Notify.php most primarily.  Search for "log_notify".

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: roxpace on July 19, 2005, 09:10:13 PM
Why not also implement it so we this can replace the ugly built-in mass mailing feature so it works for hundreds and thousands of email subscribers, would be great for sending out newsletters and more.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: [Unknown] on July 19, 2005, 10:14:50 PM
Why not also implement it so we this can replace the ugly built-in mass mailing feature so it works for hundreds and thousands of email subscribers, would be great for sending out newsletters and more.

1.1 already works fine for thousands.  1.0 doesn't, yes, mainly because I didn't want to change something that was working for some, and chance breaking it.

I, personally, would suggest that spending time fixing/changing things we've already done in 1.1 is a waste of perfectly good development time.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: gri on July 20, 2005, 03:14:05 AM
I, personally, would suggest that spending time fixing/changing things we've already done in 1.1 is a waste of perfectly good development time.

-[Unknown]

[Unknown],

In order to the requesters knew better,
what new things are already done -
it would be nice to spend some time
in linking users' request topics
 to the developers' announcements about the things have been done..

instead of removing their posts and topics.

Wouldn't it be ?
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: [Unknown] on July 20, 2005, 03:27:26 AM
Gri, I only remove your topics when you post a new topic about something, when you have aleady had responses to the last one about the same thing.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: hartiberlin on July 20, 2005, 06:35:35 AM
Hi,
please post it also here,
when the this mail2forum features is available.
Will it only work with the 1.1 SMF version or also with the 1.05 SMF version ?
Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 20, 2005, 09:06:35 AM
Hello all,

A couple of points :D

 ::) Please don't discuss about other things except CM2F port in this forum, or if not, it will become impossible to use and follow:)
 :) The Way CM2F is built allows it to be used as a mass mailing functionality where the messages can be sent to all the users registered in the forum. There is a mode called Distribution mode, that takes all the users registered and send them a message posted in a private forum.
 :) I am developping based on the last Beta version, and most of the code is CM2F Based using calls to standard SMF Functions like CreatePost and others.

 :) The CM2F live demo site for SMF is not activated yet. I am trying to finish and consolidate most of the changes that i have done to CM2F before enabling the functionality. I will post a message here when it will become officially active.

 ??? Are  there plans to move SMF to a template system like Smarty or other?

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: [Unknown] on July 20, 2005, 11:55:32 PM
??? Are  there plans to move SMF to a template system like Smarty or other?

None at all for Smarty, no.  Why?

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 21, 2005, 08:35:50 AM
Hi Unknown,

just for nothing, since i am used to see systems using templating systems, and i was seing that SMF was renderizing its own pages, i thought that the logical evolution would be to evolve to a templating system, like smarty or others. This would have impacts on the long run for my port that i should have in account.


Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: permutations on July 23, 2005, 02:48:17 PM
Please add me to the list of testers? I sent you email.

Thanks.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: [Unknown] on July 23, 2005, 05:32:42 PM
SMF does have a templating system.  If you don't believe me, check here:

Integrating the forum into your site... (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=19638.0)

Look at the example of using SSI.php.  That's much easier than using Smarty, and in either case it's also much faster.

Even if SMF did use an intermediary template language (which has been argued many times, and I have been convinced that it's a bad idea in the long run, because it's really just a new language to learn in the end - although it's true people fear PHP) it would, for efficiency reasons, still be converted to PHP code.  As such, for mod authors, it's very unlikely there will be any huge changes in the template system.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on July 27, 2005, 09:38:14 AM
Hi Unknown,

I have a question.

I am using the function loadtemplate to load the CM2F admin interfaces, this forced me to create a .template.php file for each of my admin functions.
I have seen the existence of loadsubtemplate() function, that would call template_xxxx() functions in the same template file. But, I am not sure on how to use this function, or if it can be used for my case. Could you enlight me? Or point me to some reference documentation?

The admin functions are now working fully integrated with SMF template function and i have posted some screenshots on my website. I am not sure if they are the most efficient coding possible, but at least i am able make the SMF port dependent on the same CM2F core modules, that will allow me to keep the  evolution of CM2F engine based on one single fileset.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: [Unknown] on July 28, 2005, 10:03:55 PM
I am using the function loadtemplate to load the CM2F admin interfaces, this forced me to create a .template.php file for each of my admin functions.

Forced?  You can of course use one file, e.g.:

CM2F.template.php

And then use:

Code: [Select]
function Action()
{
   global $context;

   loadTemplate('CM2F');

   $context['sub_template'] = 'action1';
}

No need to use more than one.

You don't want to use loadSubTemplate most of the time.  Instead, use either:

$context['sub_template'] = 'sub_template_name';

Or:

$context['template_layers'][] = 'layer_name';

-[Unknown]
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: permutations on July 30, 2005, 12:59:22 PM
Quote from: Unknown
Even if SMF did use an intermediary template language (which has been argued many times, and I have been convinced that it's a bad idea in the long run, because it's really just a new language to learn in the end - although it's true people fear PHP) it would, for efficiency reasons, still be converted to PHP code.  As such, for mod authors, it's very unlikely there will be any huge changes in the template system.

I loathe intermediate template languages, and I'm glad you're not planning to inflict one on us. I agree they are just another language to learn; I see no advantage to them. I like SMF's template system the way it is. It's very nicely designed, and I'm using it for my own site. As part of my post moderation mod (which I haven't had time to package up yet), I created an optional skeleton theme with a sidebar, with tutorial instructions for using templates to integrate SMF into your site. I'll upload this when I finish my deadline work.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Lifeischoice on August 08, 2005, 05:41:39 PM
Any update on this feature....Thanks
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 10, 2005, 02:32:43 PM
Hi,

Sorry about the delays that i am having, but the subscribe function have created me a lot of problems to map in the new environment, i have checked how SMF was actually doing to authorize forum visualization, in order to make available for subscription the same forums.
I think that i have it now.

I am now making some full looping tests, making posts in SMF that are sent to Mailboxes and then replying to have the answers being transferred back to the forum.

Every thing is running, there are couple of important bugs, specially with the overall theme system, and with some hyperlinks that are not running any more and that i will have to  solve in the near future.

My plan is to, after the last tests that i am doing, to deliver the first alpha version of the code, to 5 volunteers. I will take the five people that have replied initially to this thread. This will allow me to have more debug on the way in order to solve all the possible problems in the overall code, and that  i am not able to test all by myself.

There are only 4 people that have shawn their interrest in the initial testing :

rhizome,
gri,
alitahir,
Ed Teune.

Some one else is interrested? And can the 4 listed people answer me if they are still interrest?


The alpha phase will also help, i hope, with the feeback of the people, to improve some of the coding that i have done for SMF in order to improve the system.

Once the alpha version is closed, i will release a beta version , only accessible to the users registered back at my site. This will allow me to control the people downloading the code and asking for support.

I don;t think that the beta phase will be too long, because, most of the code has already been tested for all the other versions of CM2F. And the alpha phase will clear the ones that are created because of the metalayer and morphing functionalities.


I will keep posting some updates on this site.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: rhizome on August 10, 2005, 02:38:22 PM
Hi D

Count me in. Great to know you've made such good progress

cheers

ps. I think you missed Tobias Eigen off your list?

Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 10, 2005, 02:49:51 PM
Hi Rhizome,

i am not sure Tobias wanted to participate in this testing phase. Maybe if he is around he can clear it up for us. If he is in, then we have the five initial testers closed.


Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Tobias Eigen on August 10, 2005, 02:53:20 PM
Hiya - I am definitely in. Glad we're ready to start the testing. 

Cheers,

tobias
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 10, 2005, 03:03:57 PM
Hi Tobias,

sorry for the confustion.

I am not able to send the files righ away, because i need to get a more decent internet connection that will able me to send by email the filet which is aroung 1500Kb.
I am trying to find some wireless hotspot open that i could use to connect and send the files. Can you send me an email to digitalgraa@gmail.com just to have your emails in order to send the file at the first opportunity that i have?

Regards,
D.

ps. I am in holidays away from home:) This is why the poor connectivity.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: alitahir on August 11, 2005, 05:53:11 AM
Hey this is good news. 

It is true that this is holiday time... but  but the quest for holly graal is an endless pursuit. ::)
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: hartiberlin on August 11, 2005, 04:34:33 PM
@digitalgraal

did you now have a working email to SMF posting feature?

I am using the current 1.1b3 version.
Does it work with this ?

If it is not too buggy, I would like to try it in a test forum.
Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: rhizome on August 15, 2005, 05:36:17 AM
...
I am trying to find some wireless hotspot open that i could use to connect and send the files. Can you send me an email to digitalgraa@gmail.com just to have your emails in order to send the file at the first opportunity that i have?

Regards,
D.

ps. I am in holidays away from home:) This is why the poor connectivity.


Hi, D
Your email bounced, maybe it is digitalgraal@gmail.com (missing 'l')?

EDIT: confirmed digitalgraal@gmail.com - checked it on your website
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: gri on August 15, 2005, 11:52:45 AM
I am not able to send the files right away,
because i need to get a more decent internet connection
that will able me to send by email the files
which is around 1500Kb.
I am trying to find some wireless hotspot open
that i could use to connect and send the files.
Can you send me an email to digitalgraal@gmail.com
just to have your emails in order to send the file
at the first opportunity that i have?

ps. I am in holidays away from home:)
This is why the poor connectivity.

digitalgraal,
do not restrict the number of alfa or beta testers.

Also pay attention, that I am a Russian Human -
so I am around one and a half of a tester..
whom nevertheless only one tenth of the developers understand
and who select on himself whom to understand.

If it is possible please move me
 from the list of testers
  for sending huge files to them..
 to the list of testers who prefer
  to get _only the links_ to the original files.. instead.

I hope you have requested the emailing of the replies
and I have emailed my e-mail to you.. separately.

Have the rich connectivity holidays.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 22, 2005, 04:57:53 AM
Hi All,

i am sorry for the delay, but i was at the same on holidays and finishing some of the interface bugs.

Taken in account some of the feedbacks that i have got and on my mailbox and on the suggestions made by some of the people,

i will make available the files for download during tomorrow. I am currently finishing the installation documentation in order to have a clear guide to the files that needs to be modified.

Since the number of people that wants to beta test is not to big, around 8 or 9, i will not restrict the numbers of beta testers.

I will send you some notifications by email.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: gri on August 22, 2005, 10:59:25 AM
Taken in account some of the feedbacks that i have got
and on my mailbox
and on the suggestions made by some of the people,
i will make available the files for download during tomorrow.
I am currently finishing the installation documentation
in order to have a clear guide to the files that needs to be modified.

Since the number of people that wants to beta test is not too big,
around 8 or 9, i will not restrict the numbers of beta testers.

I will send you some notifications by email.

digitalgraal,
please confirm that your package require SMF 1.1.

Any more special requirements in advance ?
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Tobias Eigen on August 22, 2005, 11:11:38 AM
Hi digitalgraal - good to have you back! I look forward to testing your new package.

Best wishes,

Tobias
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: rhizome on August 22, 2005, 01:17:24 PM
Good to see you back D.
And why the apology - everyone needs a holiday :)

gri, I believe CM2F is being developed for 1.1
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 22, 2005, 05:24:03 PM
Hi,

yes, i am using the 1.1. beta 3 version to make the tests, and i don´t think there should be any problem with any other version. Maybe it is something that could be test.

regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Tobias Eigen on August 22, 2005, 08:31:53 PM
FYI - slightly off-topic but related: for those looking for a tool to email articles to a Mambo site, check out this announcement about mambobymail: http://mbaas.de/content/view/41

I refer to this thread about cm2f in a comment on htat page, and suggest that digitalgraal and michael baas get together. :-) Between cm2f for smf and mambobymail we'll be able to achieve a great deal in terms of connecting email users to online communities and website content.

Best wishes,

Tobias
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: gri on August 23, 2005, 03:41:01 AM
yes, i am using the 1.1. beta 3 version to make the tests,
and i don't think there should be any problem with any other version.
Maybe it is something that could be test.

~1.0.X forum Users~,
I do not see much sense in testing "mail to forumS"
at forums which have no "postS from forum" feature..
while 1.1 have it. Do open my eyes more widely please.


digitalgraal,
The header of the topic (~if any~)
should contain "CM2Fs (mail to forums)"
    instead of "CM2F  (mail to forum)"

I would better suggest "Mail to Forums Community (M2FsC)".

For the sake of comfort of an unlimited number of new Readers
incoming from the outside posts along the grivitonicks
 (if to say more precisely -
   "having clicked any outgoing ~grivifromnick~.. out there")

it is time to begin modifying your heading post of the topic
where You should have wrote:
I hope to have a fully working version by the end..
 that i will open to an unlimited number of Users
 in order to see what flags are still not present.

(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fagreetogri.newmail.ru%2Fexpand.gif&hash=140cd5664953acb2c6cd68b80942a350)
Quote from: [url=http://www.t101.astahost.com/place/index.php/topic,683.msg8566.html#msg8566][size=2][u]
gri on: August 21, 2005, 01:31:37 AM[/u][/size][/url]
(Do you imagine how many flags could be placed in one line..)


Then I will modify my post following your heading post to :
digitalgraal,
Please add me to that unlimited number of Users..
                        of the boundless M2FsC forums.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: rhizome on August 23, 2005, 09:42:42 AM
FYI - slightly off-topic but related: for those looking for a tool to email articles to a Mambo site, check out this announcement about mambobymail: http://mbaas.de/content/view/41

I refer to this thread about cm2f in a comment on htat page, and suggest that digitalgraal and michael baas get together. :-) Between cm2f for smf and mambobymail we'll be able to achieve a great deal in terms of connecting email users to online communities and website content.

Best wishes,

Tobias

Ah, I've been wondering about this too.

While getting Cm2F<>SMF working is of course the first milestone; given that a working bridge between smf and mambo already exists, an integration with mambobymail would be very powerful indeed :)

Hope we wouldn't be overloading you too much Digitalgraal for this further integration, but I've noticed you've worked with the mambo portal before (with phpbb)

cheers
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 23, 2005, 10:39:46 AM
Hi,

Tobias sent me a month ago the link  and i was looking into  it.


As CM2F is integrating Emails, Forums (PhpBB, SMF and now Mybboard, and very soon VBulletin, XarBB, PunBB, Invision, etc ...) and CMS, i was thinking in positionning CM2F as a Community Router tool, that would be allow content to flow across any community buidling tool.
For example, at this moment, i am able to route messages between PhpBB and SMF in my testing environment. I am now including myBBoard as well

CM2F have already RSS and GMAIL features built init so the loop is closing very fast.

So it will be something that i will definitivly get into CM2F.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: rhizome on August 23, 2005, 10:51:52 AM
Very nice to hear :)

BTW, would the current smf-cm2f you are developing, work with Orstio's smf-mambo bridge?
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 23, 2005, 11:00:50 AM
Hi Rhizome,

i am using very standard things from SMF, my experience with phpbb ports is that CM2F is able to adapt transparently to any port or bridge made of the original forum. So, this is something that needs to be tested, but i am 100% sure that it will work without any problem.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Tobias Eigen on August 23, 2005, 11:48:48 AM
In my case i have it working with mailinglists. The users are not allowed to subscribe. They need to susbcribe to the majordomo mailinlist.

I like this. My hope is to replace fud forum with SMF using CM2F on my system. Fud is currently configured as the archiver for mailman (piping mailman messages into fud forums instead of to a mhonarc/pipermail archive) and fud posts are delivered to mailman from the posting user's email address. Works brilliantly.

I'm looking forward to the testing.

Cheers,

Tobias
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Tobias Eigen on August 23, 2005, 03:08:08 PM
As CM2F is integrating Emails, Forums (PhpBB, SMF and now Mybboard, and very soon VBulletin, XarBB, PunBB, Invision, etc ...) and CMS, i was thinking in positionning CM2F as a Community Router tool, that would be allow content to flow across any community buidling tool.

This is a pretty cool idea, but please don't try to incorporate too much into CM2F. The goal at this stage should be to get a workable release out so that more people will understand what it is that we are trying to achieve and buy into it. Weaning people off Yahoo Groups and the like and getting them to use our SMF forums will be a huge achievement - let's strive for that first.

Also, I think with the new blogging and RSS tools coming out it should become possible to quite easily share content between community websites. Take a look at Drupal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drupal) and  Soapbox (http://www.picnet.net/soapbox_toolset.html) for two tools that do this sort of thing already. Soapbox is unfortunately not open source but makes use of Mambo and Democracy in Action (http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/), which are. Ryan Ozimek is behind Soapbox and lurks on these forums.

Cheers,

Tobias
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 23, 2005, 03:13:39 PM
:) No i will not try to incorporate too much.

My main focus is now on SMF.

I am also making very quick progress with Mybboard, Vbulletin and Xaraya XarBB.

The metalayer and morph features that i have been improving with SMF are making the port almost trivial. My main problem was always how to integrate the admin interfaces that CM2F needs to be used to configure the system. Now that i have overcome this limitation, everything is very easy.

The other features will come by its own sinergy.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Tobias Eigen on August 23, 2005, 03:17:00 PM
Cool. Look forward to seeing it.

Cheers,

Tobias
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 29, 2005, 10:50:09 AM
Hello all,

sorry for the delay but i have been busy with some aspects of my professional life.

Netherless here am i. I am going to send the files to the betatesters that i have send me an email during this evening or, at most, by tomorrow morning.
I am trying to finish the current documentation in order to have some kind of minimalistic guidance into installing and confiuring CM2F.

Where should the support be done? Through this SMF forum or through my website digitalgraal?


Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: hartiberlin on August 29, 2005, 12:36:05 PM
Please also send it to me. I am posting this from my mobile phone
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 29, 2005, 12:40:08 PM
Hello,

can you send me your email to digitalgraal@gmail.com?

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: rhizome on August 29, 2005, 01:01:47 PM
Hello all,

sorry for the delay but i have been busy with some aspects of my professional life.

Netherless here am i. I am going to send the files to the betatesters that i have send me an email during this evening or, at most, by tomorrow morning.
I am trying to finish the current documentation in order to have some kind of minimalistic guidance into installing and confiuring CM2F.

Where should the support be done? Through this SMF forum or through my website digitalgraal?


Regards,
D.

Hello D

Looking forward to testing out CM2F

I guess maybe the beta testing support could take place on your site, on the demo smf forum you've set up? http://smf.digitalgraal.dyndns.org/
Otherwise it may confuse other users viiewing this thread (non-beta testers) if beta support takes place on this thread?
When CM2F is ready for release, then support could come back on this thread then.

Though, maybe a better way of doing things

rhizome
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 29, 2005, 01:22:40 PM
Hi Rhizome,

you are right, and it was what i was thinking of.

I would like to know if there is someone that will try CM2F on a SMF+MAmBO solution. I would like to know how the system will behave?

Regards,
D.h
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: permutations on August 29, 2005, 01:48:05 PM
Since the number of people that wants to beta test is not to big, around 8 or 9, i will not restrict the numbers of beta testers.

I will send you some notifications by email.

Could you add me to your list of beta testers? I emailed you once before about beta testing, but I can send another message in case you don't have that anymore.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: alitahir on August 29, 2005, 02:26:58 PM
Hi Digital Graal

I have a mambo test site  with smf. So I can test your stuff there. It is in Turkish but I  was planning to  transform it in bilingual site anyway. So you can have an idea of what is going on. I would also report in plain English any issue.   

http://www.tarihvetoplum.com  (The site URL)

Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 29, 2005, 06:17:13 PM
hi,

no problem about a turkish site:) the important thing is to see how the system would perform in the mambo integrated. I don't have the time to do it myself and after having seen some sites with the integration done, i was impressed.


regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 30, 2005, 09:26:57 AM
Hello all,

i have had some problems with my homesite so i delayed until now the sending the files. Since i have now recovered i will be sending the files during the afternoon.
The support will be made from http://www.digitalgraal.dyndns.org where i will be creating a SMF Thread, i want to leave the http://smf.digitalgraal.dyndns.org as a demo site where the users will be able to test the application, without being annoyed by other discussions and vice versa beta testers by users.

The documentation is not yet very good but i will try to improve it along the way.

I will send initially an email to all the betatesters that have sent to me their email in order to see if they are ready to start and receive the files.


Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: hartiberlin on August 30, 2005, 10:35:26 AM
Why don´t you just upload the files to your site,
so many more betatesters can try it ?

Many thanks for your hard work.

Regards. Stefan.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 30, 2005, 10:44:39 AM
Hi,

just because at this phase i want to have control over the versions to be downloaded. There will a lot of changes and i want to move around online the files that are to change. If i upload the files, then i will have people with different filesets and different testing phases:) Once the Betaphase is started i will not accept anyone else for a couple of days until with have a stable first release:)

Did you receive an email? I might have missed your email?

Regards,
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: hartiberlin on August 30, 2005, 11:14:45 AM
I see, no you did not send me an email.

I will again send you my email address.
Thanks.

Regards,Stefan.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on August 30, 2005, 12:20:08 PM
Hi Stefan,


i think that you should have it by now:)

Regards,
D.
Title: Beta Test Application closed
Post by: digitalgraal on August 30, 2005, 12:23:44 PM
Hi,

i have now closed the betatest application. During the next days i will be working with the current betatesters in order to improve CM2F SMF. Once a first prerelease version is ready, a new betatesting phase will open at which time new applications will be accepted.

Let's go to work.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on September 06, 2005, 04:38:08 AM
Hello all,

just to informa that i have send the Beta Package by email to the beta testers.

To save the integrity of this forum, all the discussion about the stability and problems of CM2F will be discussed at http://www.digitalgraal.dyndns.org and i will be posting some updates and news back to this forum in order to give a glance of the status.


Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: gri on September 07, 2005, 01:23:45 AM
To save the integrity of this forum,
all the discussion about the stability and problems of CM2F
will be discussed at http://www.digitalgraal.dyndns.org
and i will be posting some updates and news
back to this forum in order to give a glance of the status.

digitalgraal,
where will the Users,
  _who prefer the standard SMF interface for discussion_,
discuss this forum integrity saving ?
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: gri on September 07, 2005, 01:37:10 AM
Hello all,

just to inform that i have sent the Beta Package by email
to the beta testers.

If it is possible please move me
 from the list of testers
  for sending huge files to them..
 to the list of testers who prefer
  to get _only the links_ to the original files.. instead.

digitalgraal,
for posting just the links
 can you renew continuously the uploaded package
  anywhere at a site which will not require
   the additional donations ?
( not the http://www.digitalgraal.dyndns.org/modules.php )

Sorry, I can't donate.. I can contribute only.

PS.
I am not able to send the files right away,
because i need to get a more decent internet connection
that will able me to send by email the files
which is around 1500Kb.

The package is 2,5 Mb size zip-file now.
If the connection is decent and is prone to break
(as it is in my case)
the e-mail protocol is not appropriate
for receiving huge files.
FTP is preferrable.

I prefer to download the next package version
 with the fixed errors which you have noticed already
  prior to one's downloading.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: gri on September 07, 2005, 03:06:17 AM
The package is 2,5 Mb size zip-file now.

Revision:
I don't understand it..

The size of the attached file "CM2F SMF.zip"
 is equal to 1955236 Bytes.

The size of the incoming post with the attached file
 is equal to 2678240 Bytes.

What is the size of the e-mail letter with "CM2F SMF.zip"
 having got by other testers ?

Anybody explain.. don't know where..
ah, there please
<< http://www.t101.astahost.com/place/index.php/topic,729.msg9895.html#msg9895 .
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on September 07, 2005, 10:39:06 AM
Hi Gri,

sorry about it. I will send next time the link to the fileset.


I am about to release a new version with some modifications that have came out.


Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on September 14, 2005, 06:06:58 PM
Hello all,


just to informed that the beta testing is moving forward, not so quickly as i was expecting, i must have mixed up some files during the cross developpment that I was doing, and we have have to recover some of the work.
But now i have some users already able to access CM2F Administration Control Panel under SMF and to access the functions.

I am now repackaging this new version to make it available and moving into phase two, that will take us to start testing the receiving and sending of message into and from the forum.

At this moment, if anyone is interrested in participating I am able opened to add more people to the initial user list, just send me an email to digitalgraal@gmail.com

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on September 21, 2005, 06:52:34 PM
Hi All,

sorry for the delay, but i have been trying to fix a couple of bugs that were affecting the last release of CM2F, that i was having ready.

Now that i think that everything seems to be solved, i am repackaging the current status of CM2F for SMF and send the link to the people that volunteered to beta test the software.

The status at the moment is:

- Admin Interfaces being displayed in SMF
- Admin functions working

Next Step is to Import messages using the M2F feature.

Let-s see how things will come out.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: rhizome on September 22, 2005, 11:47:14 AM
Hi D

thanks for the update

Just checking whether we will now beta test with the latest SMF 1.1 RC1?

cheers
rhizome
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on September 22, 2005, 11:55:25 AM
Hi Rhizome,

i have tested it with beta, and i will now migrate my site the RC Version to see what happens, but i don't expect problems.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on September 24, 2005, 08:36:53 AM
Hello all,

i have released yesterday the new beta package to be beta users, and at the same time i have installed the code in smf.digitalgraal.dyndns.org in order to see how it wsa performing.
Until now almost everything seems to be correct. There are some formatting problems, but i don't know it is caused by the emails being used (for now, some spam received in the last months), or if the import function might have still some glitches regarding the processing.
In order to fully debug it, i should be able to enable the automatic integration during the next days, in order to have any user testing  it.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on September 24, 2005, 09:45:56 AM
Hello,

i have just activated the cm2f_smf@digitalgraal.dyndns.org that allows to send emails into the forum.

It seems to be working.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on September 24, 2005, 10:21:43 AM
Nop, it is not working yet. The background job is not calling the script, you can send messages and willl forced the cron!
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: gri on September 24, 2005, 11:04:31 AM
Nop, it is not working yet. The background job is not calling the script, you can send messages and will forced the cron!

digitalgraal,
don't worry - all the bugs will be fixed.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Afrog2 on September 25, 2005, 12:41:25 AM
Can you please send me a link to that mod as soon as no bugs are lefT? I like the Idea and i'm looking for some usefull items. I have a glitching website, and get a LOAD of e-mails. Witch i then post on the site. I think this will work perfectly. I really respect you for working on this. Thank you.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on September 25, 2005, 05:14:36 PM
:)
Hi,

once there are no bugs, the system will be released ... So every one will be able to download it and install it:)

Regarding the bugs, i have seen that Rhizome has been able to email in the demo forum a message, althought the system change the email by the wrong username, so i will have to look into it.

Another user has also commented a error with the digest subscription.


Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: coolparth on September 30, 2005, 07:38:32 AM
I have a well integrated system running at www.tekdi.com . I'll be willing to beta test...
mail me at coolparth@gmail.com
Parth


Hi Rhizome,

you are right, and it was what i was thinking of.

I would like to know if there is someone that will try CM2F on a SMF+MAmBO solution. I would like to know how the system will behave?

Regards,
D.h
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on October 18, 2005, 04:13:36 AM
Hello all,

I have been working in the last beta phase and i have solved some issues and i have finally finished an Installation Script that will take the work of installation the sql tables in the database.

I am now trying to solve the bug that causes CM2F to recognize the author of imported posts as the the site admin replacing the original username.

Since until now, i have had only 3 regular beta testers, i am opening up again the betaphase to see if someone else is willing to contribute.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: nelius on October 21, 2005, 06:43:28 AM
Hi digitalgraal,

i'm a developer of egroupware (egroupware.org).
I recently set up a maillinglist <--> forum sync for our 13 maillinglists unsing fudforum on egroupware.org/forum/

But there is a problem. I don't like fudforum. Compared to smf it's crap :-)

This is why i'm searching for a better solution. I'm verry interested in you work, and i can do some testing for you.
I can also help you with the code if you like.

Our forum is now 2 weeks up and has 1492 messages inside 1106 topics. So this might be a nice testing platform :-)

You can reach me at: nelius_weiss@egroupware.org

cu
cornelius


Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on October 21, 2005, 08:18:15 AM
hi Nelius,

this would be a very good reference for Cm2F, i will send you the link where you can download the last version of the package, and test it. It is not yet fully prepared for a production environment, but it is almost there, so if you have a test forum where you can make some tests i think that with some feedback about errors i could close any bug in two weeks top.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on October 22, 2005, 02:10:24 PM
Hello,

i have upgraded my test site to SMF RC 01 and CM2F is still running, it has begin me more warnings about incorrect defines that i had from earlier versions of the code.

The only problem that i have had, and could be used as a suggestion to SMF development team, is about how to improve the handling of new functions in SMF, because when upgrading i have lost all the references to CM2F in the SMF files.
This is caused by the fact that in SMF, the admin links are directly coded in the admin functions, while in other forums, they are generated from the headers of admin files active in one folder.

So, since i am not wanting from any answer regarding this point, i would suggest all users that will use CM2F in the future to be carefull about upgrades in SMF.

There is another alternative, but i have been trying to avoid it. Implement the Cm2F admin functions a part of the SMF admin interface, but i think that is not a very elegant solution.

Some more users have recently joined the beta phase, so i am hoping that the debug of the last bugs will be quick and that i should be able to release finally the package for general users.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: nelius on October 28, 2005, 06:17:25 PM
Hi,

i havent' get any mail from you. Sometimes the mailserver on egroupware.org dosn't work.

can you send me the code to "nelius@gmx.net"?

tnx
cornelius
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on November 02, 2005, 05:08:07 AM
Hi Nelius,

i am sorry I have confused users and i thought that i had already sent it to you.

I will send the files to you. In one or two hours.

REgards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: nelius on November 04, 2005, 06:07:08 PM
you seem to have quite long ours  8)
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on November 05, 2005, 04:31:43 PM
Hi Nelius,

sorry for that extra long hours, my real-life job is going through some intense workload and travel requirements.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on November 15, 2005, 06:19:18 AM
Hello all,


i am having a problem with the RC 1 version of SMF, and i am not being able to get any kind of support. Could any one help me?

I have upgraded my test site from Beta 03 to RC 01, and although CM2F is correctly importing messages into SMF database, the SMF scripts that take the topics and messages from the SMF database and construct the display of the forum topics is not working. The messages inserted by CM2F are not shawn.
I have rechecked all the messages structure and they are identical to the one created by SMF, but for some reason they are not displayed.
I have checked the select query being performed, and it is recognizing CM2F inserted messages, but they are not taken in account in the loop that builds up the topics inside the forum.

Does any one know what could be causing this problem?

I am quite disappointed with the overall quality of the SMF RC1, i have had a lot of problems to upgrade, i had to remove everything, and make a clean install, and now this problem.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Sheepy on November 15, 2005, 07:03:13 AM
I am quite disappointed with the overall quality of the SMF RC1, i have had a lot of problems to upgrade, i had to remove everything, and make a clean install, and now this problem.
Have you tried actually capturing the query and run it in something like phpmyadmin?
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on November 15, 2005, 03:39:10 PM
Yes, i have echoed the query and i have ran it in phpmyadmin. The query returned all the messages in the database, CM2F ones included.
But then, when it goes in the loop to build the forum messages listing, only one of the messages is actually being processed, the default SMF Welcome message.
The structure used to get the query is only containing as well the same message, so i am not understanding what is happening.


Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on November 23, 2005, 05:58:38 AM
Hello all,

i am sorry but i am still having the same problem with the visualisation of CM4F ports in the RC1 database and i am finding that it is very difficult to get any kind of support.
I will keep trying to find a solution and if not a will have to postpone any other work in CM4F for SMF. My ports to others forums are working correclty and i need to launch the betaphases.

REgards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: nelius on November 23, 2005, 06:15:12 AM
Hi D,

i'm sorry, i can't help you right now, cause we are in the middle of release phase at egroupware.org.
One'ce our next version is out (mid of december) i'll contunue to test.

cu
cornelius
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on November 23, 2005, 09:22:11 AM
Hello all,

finally problem solved. I am not sure about the problem or the solution, i have just replaced the new messageindex.php by the beta3 version. I am not sure what could be causing the problem. I will probably try to reinstall the overall SMF forum to check if the problem occurs again.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on December 01, 2005, 08:46:44 AM
Hello All,


just to informe that i have now solved the problem of the username replacement by the admin one.

I am now trying to figure out some errors that have been reported to me, but that i don't see in my environment. So please if you are a beta tester and in that situation contact me in order to address the problems and release a new version of the beta package.


This means that i am now accepting again beta testers. Just send an email to digitalgraal(at)gmail(dot)com.

Thank You,

D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on January 12, 2006, 06:29:09 PM
Hi All,

i am coming back from my holidays and it is time for some status.

I have the installation process quite tuned now, there was a couple of bugs in the SQL files that were solved today with the help on a new betatester.

The admin functions are showing up correctly and the function is importing emails into the forum correctly. I am having a little problem with the F2M feature that i will address in the next days and that I think is caused aswell by the differences with the new RC.

At this point i think that i would be able soon to finally release it to the public.

I will try to improve the documentation as it is now the weaker point of the development. For this i am setting up a wiki site, in order to allow users to make modifications and to have a collaborative effort to document correctly the system.

Keep tune for the next releases as it will move fast.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: jlarson on January 14, 2006, 02:24:17 AM
Great!  I've been checking this topic regularly watching for updates.  If you can use any more beta testers I would be glad to help. 
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Xarcell on January 14, 2006, 07:43:59 AM
Will this mod support attached images from an e-mail?
Title: Status
Post by: digitalgraal on February 15, 2006, 04:41:44 AM
Hello all,

First of all sorry for the absence and lack of support on this site, but between the support at my new site dev.digitalgraal.net and my reallife work, i have been heavily busy.

I am sorry the suite for your problems. I am releasing a new version of the CM4F 1.0 Preview B which solves some bugs, one of them the cronjobs issue.

The last version that was released included a new cronjob feature that dealed  with all the cron activies of CM4F without the need to actually call one cronjob for each of the inputstreams defined or Functionality. By mistake I included the wrong version of the file, and since most people are not using cronjob integration, the error took a long time before being reported to me.

I have it now solved and it should be working now.

CM2F is now changing for CM4F, community messaging for forums, i have decided in order to create a more visible difference between my new application and my first attempt M2F.
CM4F is able to run on several forums and several CMS without any problems and i am now using it to dynamically route messages between different forums, for instance between phpBB and SMF, or between SMF and XOOPS newBB or IPB or Vbulletin.

My main problem, is that i am block with the beta test of SMF which is taking a long time to perform, and since i don-t want to manage several versions at the same time with bugs I need to wait for the package to be stable before going beta phase to the other packages.

I have also started in the inbetween to take a look at joomla simpleboard and to try to find a new way to allow the configuration of CM4F, something that could be more logic and intuitive to understand. I have been receiving some inputs from some users and i am managing some soltutions.

One of them is to use an approach like Winzip, where you are asked for what interface you want to be using, a more basic one, and and advanced one.
The second one, is just to cut all the features not needed by some users and delivered it as CM4F mini.

CM4F mini is almost done, but i am doubting in using this solution, as it would limit the user once it would have learned more of CM4F.

I have restarted also to work on the CMS articles integration, that means, to allow CM4F to actually have CM4F using the news or posts feature of the CMS and other blog engines, allowing them to take advantage the cross functionality of CM4F. I am using the same approach as the other ports, to use  a metalayer that encapsulates the interface to CM4F and then the apis to actually implement it in CM4F.

There is also a new logo for CM4F wich will be following one

(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdev.digitalgraal.net%2Fimages%2FCM4F_logo.png&hash=e92c9a31dc948e99300df3644c7b832e)




Regards,
D.
Title: Beta Testers and Attachments
Post by: digitalgraal on February 15, 2006, 04:47:27 AM
Hello,


regarding beta testers, i am desesperatly wanting Beta Testers. The stabilization of the port is taking a lot of time, i am not receiving too much feeback and i am condemn to develop, support and find bugs ... This is a lot of overhead that is making my developpment too slow.
I have a lot of other forums ports in the pipeline that i am not moving in betaphase because of the lack of time that i have. So any one wanting to be a beta tester (really wanting ....) please send me an email.

Regarding attachments, definitivly, i am working in the port of the attachment engine that i was using with phpBB to SMF, so you will be able to move attachments back and fortf, at least, up to the limitations that SMF could impose.


REgards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: matrixee on February 19, 2006, 12:01:34 AM
I am sorry that I can only offer encouragement.  I'm too ignorant of the coding to help as a beta tester, and I can barely get my SMF running properly without any crashes or bugs.

That said, I think that your developement project is a great idea.  I am simply at a loss to understand why SMF (and most other forum programs) can't provide an option for a daily digest, or some other bridge to email...

EE
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on February 27, 2006, 05:06:02 PM
Hi,

thank you very much for the support, this almost as important as to actually programming.
If you need help with your forum just tell me. I am getting quite used to install and configure SMF.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: TechnoDragon on February 27, 2006, 05:45:07 PM
I would be very interested in beta testing this for you, however, this is entirely dependant on the answer to onew question:

Does this package require cronjob?  If it does then I can't as my current host does not have them available for me unless you know of a good web based one to use in its place.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on February 28, 2006, 04:17:55 AM
Hello,

the answer is no. CM4F has a builting virtual cron manager, which allow the system to emulate the cron functionality with the auto refresh feature of webservers.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: euripides on February 28, 2006, 04:32:12 AM
hi.
I have a very active mailing list.
I also have a not so active forum for it.
will the users be able to post from the mailing list (using mailman) directly to the forum?

If yes, I can do some beta testing for you.
I need to know where I can download your software from and it would help if there are installation requirements.

Thanks.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: TechnoDragon on February 28, 2006, 08:23:53 AM
well, then sign me up as a beta tester...
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on February 28, 2006, 09:08:46 AM
Hello Euripides,

yes, with CM4f your users are able to get the messages directly replicated in the forum, and receive back in the mailinglist any answer made in the forum to their original message. This way the mailinglist and the forum are correctly synced.

To participate in the beta, just send me an email to digitalgraal(at)gmail.com and i will send the package.

Please take in account that this is a beta software which means that there are still a lot of problems to fix and there is hardwork to have it working.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: euripides on March 03, 2006, 12:33:57 PM
Hi.
I emailed you, not sure if you received the email, as I didnt hear back from you.

Thanks.
Title: Status of this project
Post by: coolparth on March 13, 2006, 02:42:30 AM
Hello ,
I was following this project very keenly fo some time & later loast track. Whats the status as of now.
I really like this idea & would be a boon to forum users.

Parth
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on March 27, 2006, 12:04:59 PM
Hello,

the status is the following, I have the script in Beta mode for a couple of months now, i have been receiving a couple of requests for beta testers, but unfortunetly until now the results have been 0.

None of the beta testers has been providing me with any feedback wich is causing the software to be stalling expecting for some one to actually would be able to help me testing it and being sure that it is correctly working.

Until that, i will try to move it myself as I am going, but it is very difficult to do all with the limited resources and people helping me.

Sorry about the rather pessimistic feedback but it is the truth...

Regards,

D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: coolparth on March 28, 2006, 10:55:10 AM
Hey sorry about the beta testing not working properly..

I had applied as a beta tester but had issues installing it at that time..

I can help out just send me tha package with instructions at coolparth@gmail.com .

Also tell me is it safe to use on a live site with 1000 + users? or should i use it on a test site?

Parth
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: digitalgraal on March 29, 2006, 05:34:37 AM
Hello Coolparth,

as a beta  package it always have its dangers to use on a production environment, but i think that most of the problems are more related with the installation rather than having it running.
I would definitivly use it first on a test environment.

Regards,
D.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: coolparth on March 29, 2006, 06:18:28 AM
Ok fine.

Send me the files at coolparth@gmail.com i'll give it a shot & give you feedback ASAP.

Parth
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: mhzimmer on May 28, 2006, 12:17:26 AM
Has anything progress been made recently on this?
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: TechnoDragon on May 28, 2006, 02:17:19 AM
i don't know...i just received the beta test files, but it requires a LOT of manual editing atm to integrate into smf...
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: burro on May 29, 2006, 12:51:08 AM
I have started to port my application CM2F, which allows to create a bridge  between mail based communications (like yahoo groups or Mailinglists) and forums, to SMF.

If you have a mailing list for this project, please put me on it.

Thank you!

~Louie.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Mastiff on June 11, 2006, 10:34:40 PM
How are things going?  Still not getting good beta-test help?  I have a forum I could test with if installing the package isn't too painful.  I'm probably not up to speed enough to do a bunch of manual editing.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: aj510 on June 30, 2006, 08:02:49 AM
i'd be very interested in beta testing if this mod hasn't been finalised as yet?
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: geeksrik on July 21, 2007, 03:10:17 AM
so digitalgraal, where is the mod? is it released yet or not? also your site ending with .org, does not ping. wonder whats happened. on your other site ending .net, i m unable to find a mod about this.

geek
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Liquid_Squelch on August 07, 2007, 03:23:00 PM
digitalgraal,
I just visited with your site, and I can't seem to find any updated info on this project.

I noticed you've been working hard on it from 2005-2006, and it seems to be quiet in 2007.
I'm hoping that your still working on this, as I would like to add this feature to my personal SMF site

Thanks!.. please keep us updated.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: tanstaafl_bh on August 13, 2007, 10:13:21 AM
Hello,

I was very excited to find this thread - then disappointed to find out it apparently never matured...

Does anyone know if this is still being worked on? Or if there are any other options for integrating mail lists with SMF?
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: yuttorich on February 01, 2008, 08:07:58 AM
hi I want too
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Dreadaxe on November 26, 2008, 01:04:21 PM
I'm very interesting by this mod !!
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: drroot on October 10, 2009, 06:17:01 AM
very interested.

Well, the feature I need is simpler. I wish to forward all emails I received to one BBS board.


People in my group are costumed to use mailing list, so to transfer them to a forum, we need a transition period.

If we could forward every post, from a normal subscriber of a mailing list, to a board of SMF would be great, since then people won't need to receive unwanted emails everyday.

And we don't need to tell users the email address we use for the subscription of the mailing list, so there's no spam-issue here.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Arantor on October 10, 2009, 06:45:02 AM
Does this email address ever receive spam?

Is there an alternative way to receive notifications from this source (e.g. RSS feeds)?
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: drroot on October 11, 2009, 03:56:31 AM
Sorry for multipost.

Nope. There's no rss.

And there's no spam to this email address previously, since I just signed up for it.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Arantor on October 11, 2009, 04:21:33 AM
Hmm.

What type of address is it (which @ domain)? Some domains are routinely hit such that every possible address is tried.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: drroot on October 11, 2009, 04:08:51 PM
We may use a complicated email address or even randomly generated letters so that people or machine could not guess it.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Arantor on October 11, 2009, 05:14:57 PM
My point is that some email provides routinely have every single possible email address being emailed, even if it is otherwise a complex address.

At one domain I own, I've had emails addressed to qetuoljgdaxvnmbczsfhkpiyrw @ that domain before now (which, in fact, was just such an address for auto-relaying of content)
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: 青山 素子 on October 14, 2009, 01:47:28 AM
My point is that some email provides routinely have every single possible email address being emailed, even if it is otherwise a complex address.

That's called a "catch-all (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-all)".
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: drroot on October 14, 2009, 03:11:53 AM
My point is that some email provides routinely have every single possible email address being emailed, even if it is otherwise a complex address.

That's called a "catch-all (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-all)".


Well, most hosting servers allow us to set up the choice for catch-all or not.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: Arantor on October 14, 2009, 05:54:01 AM
That's called a "catch-all (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-all)".

No, I don't mean a catch-all. I do actually mean every possible address being emailed, no catch-all configured. In the example I gave this happened to me, going by the logs. Host wasn't best pleased as you can imagine.
Title: Re: CM2F (mail 2 forum) Port for SMF
Post by: drroot on October 18, 2009, 11:08:51 PM
Any mod of M2F (mailing list to forum) for SMF?

Thanks.