Is SMF 2.0 RC3 the last version before Final?

Started by klumy, May 11, 2010, 02:02:31 PM

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Is SMF 2.0 RC3 the last version before Final?

Nick Whetstone

No one is for sure yet, but an RC4 does seem fairly likely.
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Kindred

which, BTW has been said at least 4 times previously...
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Quote from: Kindred on May 11, 2010, 03:29:52 PM
which, BTW has been said at least 4 times previously...

The opposite has been said more than once too.

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Well, not sure :P You never know.

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Bot sure who may have said "the opposite", however, the opposite has NOT been said by me (who is the Project Manager).

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Arantor

Actually I seem to recall you've said that you thought there wouldn't be - but I could be wrong on that...

*shrug* It's up to the devs.
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Kindred

Ah... no offense to KEA...   but both the PM and the current lead developer believe that RC4 may be necessary.
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Quote from: Kindred on May 12, 2010, 03:01:45 PM
Ah... no offense to KEA...   but both the PM and the current lead developer believe that RC4 may be necessary.

Ok, but is this going to be a real "release candidate", or just another beta?

As in, "this is code that is candidate for release... if no problems are found, these bits will become SMF2-final". If that's the case, fine. If not, then RC4 aka "another beta" is not "necessary" as it will only annoy mod and theme authors further at a time when SMF is bleeding them.

Kindred

wow, sremick, you are just negative all over the place, aren't you?

SMF is not "bleeding" anyone.
And the previous RCs were indeed RCs (well, maybe not RC1), we just discovered more things that needed fixing once it went "into the wild". After all, most mods for RC2 worked fine on RC3.  However, there are ALWAYS issues still to be fixed with RCs... otherwise it would be a "gold" release to start with. LOL!
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Quote from: Kindred on May 12, 2010, 03:24:42 PM
wow, sremick, you are just negative all over the place, aren't you?

Please don't suggest that I was the only one upset with the whole RC1/RC2 saga. We all know why RC1 came out as such and not named "beta" as it otherwise should've been. Nor am I the only one frustrated that there are going to be more step releases before "final".

QuoteSMF is not "bleeding" anyone.

There have been numerous public exits, particularly from the mod scene by notable frustrated authors. Surely you're not going to pretend this isn't the case?

I hope the best for SMF's future and I want it to succeed, but denial of the truth is disheartening. The first thing SMF needs to do if it has any hope of improvement is admit to the existence of the problems.

QuoteAnd the previous RCs were indeed RCs (well, maybe not RC1), we just discovered more things that needed fixing once it went "into the wild". After all, most mods for RC2 worked fine on RC3.  However, there are ALWAYS issues still to be fixed with RCs... otherwise it would be a "gold" release to start with. LOL!

What you describe are not "release candidates" then, but "betas". A "release candidate" is, at the time of freeze, intended with good faith as a possible final release as-is. Other projects properly designate as such, and the final release candidate is bit-identical to final release. Your description doesn't fit that, and RC1, RC2 and RC3 all didn't meet that either.

My question was basically whether RC4 would finally fix this trend and be intentioned as the same suggests... as a potential release in its current form. I am not "negative all over the place" and if you had said "yes" I would have been content.

I know I frustrate you with all my seeming "negativity" but I'm frustrated too. Partially because you (and others) misread me, but mostly because I'm an SMF user and want to continue to be an SMF user and like to think that SMF has the closest potential to continuing to being the best forum platform... but that it is dooming itself with this "everything is roses, ponies and rainbows, nothing is wrong" attitude when we know that's not the case.

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Alright guys, I think the OP got the answer. Before it goes waaaaay off, can someone lock it up?

Arantor

QuoteThere have been numerous public exits, particularly from the mod scene by notable frustrated authors. Surely you're not going to pretend this isn't the case?

Oh, it's true. But that's not really because of the politics or similar. Mostly that's just because we're cranky. Maybe it's that time of the month.

But at the same time there has been a major upsurge in people rejoining the team, particularly in the dev team, with bugs being fixed daily.

To be brutal, I'm not entirely sure any of the RCs thus far should have been called RCs. You don't normally have an RC with 100+ known bugs *before* you launch them. The idea is that it's supposed to be close to release, meaning maybe a few known bugs, then issues emerging after.
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Quote from: Arantor on May 12, 2010, 04:18:29 PM
Oh, it's true. But that's not really because of the politics or similar. Mostly that's just because we're cranky. Maybe it's that time of the month.

Thanks for acknowledging this. I wasn't referring to "the politics", though. Some are just tired and lost patience having to support all these little sub-releases with all their drastic changes. Curve itself has been rewritten... what... 4 times now? Which is why it disturbs me that we're going to get an RC4 unless it honest and truly, for once, is actually going to be a "release candidate" so the mod and theme authors can feel good about it for a change.

QuoteTo be brutal, I'm not entirely sure any of the RCs thus far should have been called RCs. You don't normally have an RC with 100+ known bugs *before* you launch them. The idea is that it's supposed to be close to release, meaning maybe a few known bugs, then issues emerging after.

Exactly my point. Thanks.

YogiBear

Well, RC3 seems pretty stable and bug-free so far.

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Arantor

There's a few biggish showstoppers though notably in attachments giving white-screen-of-death and in that external integration stuff is sort of broken in places.
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QuoteTo be brutal, I'm not entirely sure any of the RCs thus far should have been called RCs. You don't normally have an RC with 100+ known bugs *before* you launch them. The idea is that it's supposed to be close to release, meaning maybe a few known bugs, then issues emerging after.

Exactly my point. Thanks.

I generally think the same, although I always considered RC3 RC1 and RC2 Beta 6

Antechinus

Off the record ;) I'm inclined to agree. I have referred to them in that manner myself more than once. However RC4, if it is necessary, really will be an RC. I honestly cannot see any further RC's being necessary after that point. We will also be taking a very careful look at backwards compatibility. I'm a bit of a modder and themer myself and am well aware of how annoying all the updates have been. So are the rest of the crew.

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