Still confused as to what can be discussed here without incurring repercussions

[Shambles]

BK's topic - now locked by himself - contains some conflicting advice for which I'd like elucidation:

I asked someone to elaborate on the meaning of "issue" in respect of Kindred's sticked topic in this section.

Issues... Means exactly that if you have problems with the 2.1 installation and then you can post in that board.

Thanks for clarifying.


However, I'm still confused by the consequential action taken in these posts:

I'm talking, at the moment, about the second installer screen ...

TOPIC CLOSED (wrong place to post)

Oh while I'm on the installer, what's the point of having an inaccessible checkbox for UTF-8? ...

TOPIC CLOSED (wrong place to post)

What was so wrong with those 'installation' observations (issues?) that made them impertinent to the 2.1 Support/Installation section?

[Deaks]

tbh everyone seems unsure and seems to be up to individual team members.

The sticky in this board (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=530252.0) does state

We have opened this board for people to discuss questions and issues with the 2.1 installation and upgrade.

And these locked topics do seem to fall into that category.

[LiroyvH]

Very quick look at those topics, so excuse me if I misinterpreted, I think the topics were interpreted as bug submissions/enhancements rather than directly relevant to a workable installation/upgrading; where GitHub would indeed be the most desirable place or perhaps the bug board. (Maybe we ought to clarify?)

[All Colours Sam]

There was nothing wrong with. I asked to be posted on the bugtracker where those suggestions will be properly taken care of.

Those topics presented suggestions/ code enhancements, they were n't topics where the OP was asking for support but rather suggestions to be implemented into the core, hence, they belong to the bug tracker.

If you have any support issue regarding SMF 2.1, this is the correct place to post.

If you have a bug report/enhacement/code suggestion, then please use the SMF repo's bug tracker.

And these locked topics do seem to fall into that category.

The sticky on this board makes reference to support issues, the locked topics weren't support issues but code enhancement/improvements/suggestions and as such, those should be posted on the bug tracker.

[Deaks]

Suki that would then come under the questions aspect

So that means if Ant asked it in a question form it be ok to be posted.

This is good to know

Maybe that sticky should clarify more instead of being vaquesque

[All Colours Sam]

So that means if Ant asked it in a question form it be OK to be posted.

Not quite, it would still be a code enhancement/suggestion rather than a support issue. The topics were clearly made with SMF core in mind and as a suggestions/improvements, not a support request for a private forum running SMF.

Sure, the board description could need some clarifications.

[Deaks]

would this not be a good idea for a bugs board where people who dont want to join github can post bugs as I stated in chit chat topic, or even a new board for things like this thats been suggested by many people yet no admin has stated yay or nay to the concept.  Of course ontop of updating the sticky, all the bickering etc and no actual clue doesnt look good for the image.

[All Colours Sam]

would this not be a good idea for a bugs board where people who dont want to join github can post bugs as I stated in chit chat topic, or even a new board for things like this thats been suggested by many people yet no admin has stated yay or nay to the concept.  Of course ontop of updating the sticky, all the bickering etc and no actual clue doesnt look good for the image.

Are you offering to be a volunteer? if so, I wouldn't mind getting ideas and build something that could benefit everyone.

Most if not all the decisions made by the team are based on the lack of manpower, keeping bug reports in a single place does make an enormous difference for us.

As for bickering, I say there is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion, it will be far more dangerous if you weren't allowed to do it BUT there is a difference between expressing your opinion in a normal, coherent and civilian way and bickering, whining and yelling things all over the interwebz.  I'm all in for the former, not so much for the later

As this topic demonstrate, there is nothing wrong with expressing your concerns.

[Deaks]

Are you offering to be a volunteer? if so, I wouldn't mind getting ideas and build something that could benefit everyone.

Most if not all the decisions made by the team are based on the lack of manpower, keeping bug reports in a single place does make an enormous difference for us.

To help keep track of a bug reports board and move topics to github then yeh its not hard if its looked at on a regular basis.

As for bickering, I say there is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion, it will be far more dangerous if you weren't allowed to do it BUT there is a difference between expressing your opinion in a normal, coherent and civilian way and bickering, whining and yelling things all over the interwebz.  I'm all in for the former, not so much for the later

As this topic demonstrate, there is nothing wrong with expressing your concerns.

I fully agree, but having no concise idea's and limiting the openess that SMF is aiming for is negative to the image and ideals, if that makes sense.

[All Colours Sam]

To help keep track of a bug reports board and move topics to github then yeh its not hard if its looked at on a regular basis.

Like many other things done by the team, they aren't specifically difficult, never been actually. Its time contractions the ones that prevent us from doing them.

I fully agree, but having no concise idea's and limiting the openess that SMF is aiming for is negative to the image and ideals, if that makes sense.

Can you please elaborate more on that?  how are we limiting openness?  where  aren't we having concise ideas?

[Kindred]

Btw, as has already been discussed in a conversation between myself, Illori and Arantor in another thread...   There is actually an issue with licensing when people submit bug or feature code on this site, as opposed to GitHub.

[Deaks]

depends if its a bug or a bug fix would it not ... also you have a link?