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Started by cferd, June 16, 2007, 12:52:28 PM

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Quote from: Elpie on July 10, 2007, 08:09:02 AM
The company that changed its name to Rice Studios was NOT Miro International Pty Ltd, the company that had owned copyright in Mambo. Different company, different owners. Miro International ceased to exist in December 2005. Miro has had no involvement with Mambo since that time as they did not exist!
Mambo is completely free of any corporate influence and has been since the end of 2005.
The emphasis of my post was how Rice Studios might affect Joomla, not Mambo.

The rights to Miro were sold in 2006 to what is currently Rice Studios. How or why would the copyrights Miro held (which includes some Joomla code?) not be transferable to Rice?

danayel

Elpie,

Amy's comments are not her own in this regard, they are basically cut and pasted from the thread you started regarding mambo and their copyright on the J! forums.

Someone posted that in that thread (At least I think it was that thread), though I am guessing you stopped reading that particular thread.

So while she might not be a copyright lawyer, she is inadvertently quoting someone who seems to think they are.  ::)

AmyStephen

Danayel.

It's just a simple question: Do the authors of Mambo code continue to hold copyright? I'm certain Elpie will answer. Patience. ;)

Amy :)

Elpie

Quote from: cferd on July 10, 2007, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: Elpie on July 10, 2007, 08:09:02 AM
The company that changed its name to Rice Studios was NOT Miro International Pty Ltd, the company that had owned copyright in Mambo. Different company, different owners. Miro International ceased to exist in December 2005. Miro has had no involvement with Mambo since that time as they did not exist!
Mambo is completely free of any corporate influence and has been since the end of 2005.
The emphasis of my post was how Rice Studios might affect Joomla, not Mambo.

The rights to Miro were sold in 2006 to what is currently Rice Studios. How or why would the copyrights Miro held (which includes some Joomla code?) not be transferable to Rice?

Miro International Pty Ltd transferred all copyrights in Mambo code to the Mambo Foundation, Inc. So the copyrights in all the code from 2000 onwards are held by the Mambo Foundation.  This was completed before Miro International Pty Ltd was deregistered as a company. Miro Int held copyrights in its own commercial software (that does not contain any code at all from the open source software) and presumably sold this software as part of its winding up.
Miro Software Solutions did not have the same principals - different company, different people (although one former Miro Int staff member was part of it as I understand things).
Miro Software Solutions is the company that became Rice Studios. It has never had involvement with the Mambo project under either name.

So, while the Mambo Foundation, Inc holds rights in the Joomla code, the only copyright holders are Mambo Foundation and individual contributors as I understand Joomla has not ever used a copyright assignment agreement on any of its code.

Given that I contributed security fixes to Joomla 1.0.10 I guess I am also a copyright holder in Joomla! ;)

Elpie

Quote from: AmyStephen on July 11, 2007, 01:28:06 AM
It's just a simple question: Do the authors of Mambo code continue to hold copyright? I'm certain Elpie will answer. Patience. ;)

Amy, with respect, you are asking for a yes/no answer to a complex issue. I can just as equally answer "No, but..." or the alternative.  Can any individual developers enforce the Mambo GPL? No - only the Mambo Foundation can.
But, seriously, should you have any of the many doubts you are expressing all over the web please just download Mambo and look at the files yourself.

I know that the whole GPL/copyright issue is confusing for you. If you run a search on Mambo and "Brian Connolly" you will see why action was taken in 2004 to protect the Mambo code against claims by individuals. It was very big news at the time and cost Miro a lot of money. As a consequence, steps were taken and agreed to by all developers, and when the Mambo Foundation was formed it was done in such a way to keep the copyright in Mambo safe.

I have no intention of debating the Mambo copyright ad nauseum. Mambo has a clear statement about its copyright and how it enforces it and Mambo developers and users have been happy with that for several years.  Your continued attempts to debate something nobody else has a problem with, just to muddy the waters over Joomla's copyright enforcement stance is petty. As is your continued hijacking of this thread when Orstio has made his position very clear.


Orstio

QuoteYour continued attempts to debate something nobody else has a problem with, just to muddy the waters over Joomla's copyright enforcement stance is petty. As is your continued hijacking of this thread when Orstio has made his position very clear.

Thanks for the comments and clarification, Elpie.  With that, I'm going to lock this topic, and if anyone wants to know why, they can watch this video, and understand that we need to get on with coding instead of wasting time arguing moot points.

http://www.opensourcecommunity.org/2007/07/08/how-open-source-projects-survive-poison-people-and-you-can-too

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