General support topic for Aeva Media (Latest release: July 28, 2010)

[Nao 尚]

(Like Arantor said. Oh, and thanks chep )

Wait a minute...Nao...you're not supporting this mod on either site?

No, I'm supporting it, but not *right now*.

I just joined your site for nothing?

- Registering to a SMF website takes a minute or so. What a waste of time, big deal.
- You don't even HAVE to register noisen to post a new topic (or a new message) in the Aeva Media boards.
- If you plan to use AeMe for the next few years, then *right now* is less important than *in the future*.

By the way...your site's extremely slow

It's slow to you. It's hosted in France. It's very fast for French users. And guess what? It's targeted to French users.
You seem like a lovable person really.

your switch things to English button only works on a couple of things...boards not included.

It works everywhere.

It took me a few minutes just to figure out where to post.

Not my problem if you're a forum n00b.

Could somebody please note this don't work

It does...

it's not supported so people will quit wasting their time with it.

I'm not sure *I* want to waste my time with you in the future really, given how nice you are.
Free software demands free support, eh? You think you deserve better because you're a woman or something? Then think again. People like you won't make me come back to full gear on Aeva Media any sooner.

[Kindred]

agonz010,

most mods only install in english. (I suspect that this one has a few extra languages, especially french, lol)

However, if your forum is not running in one of the languages specifically supported during install of the mod, then you will have to create your own language files for the mod. (do note that UTF-8 version of a language is different form the normal version)

[kosaic]

LMAO @ Nao's last post .... ! I love it.

nooB's 

[interzis]

here: http://smf-media.com/community/index.php?action=svn;rep=3

It's not really an update... It only boasts some very minimal layout improvements. No bug fix or anything.

but it's working: http://fiatissimo.com/board/index.php?action=media



thank you very much for your great work

[Nao 尚]

but it's working: http://fiatissimo.com/board/index.php?action=media



thank you very much for your great work

As long as it pleases someone, that's cool

rev 242
+ Added rounded corners to album thumbnails and album big icons. (Aeva-Subs.php, Aeva.template.php, am.css)

[MultiformeIngegno]

Great!!! Previous rev worked perfectly!!
Time to test the new one!!

[Lou69]

The thing is not "who's fault is"... (mostly)
The thing is, you may need to chmod the files and folders so they're writable for PHP. And the problem is, writable for PHP means something different on different servers, it depends on your host's server configuration.
On some hosts servers, folders need to be 755, and if that doesn't work, then 775, and if not, 777. Most likely nothing else. (there are exceptions). In the same time, files most likely should be 644 or 664, or respectively 666.

It's a high chance, unfortunately (unfortunately for security and usability), that you may need 777 for folders and 666 for files.
Your host should know.
If they don't tell... trial and error may be also an option.

Note: If you used your cpanel file manager to change permissions (on some folder made by the mod?), and it's not working... that *could* mean that those files/folders are not owned your user, instead they may be owned by the default Apache user. If that is the case, only your host can change the owner of the files, making them owned by your user, so you *can* change their permissions next time you try.

Thank you Norv, that explains a lot to me. The folders all seem to respond to 777 better than 755. It makes good sense what you are saying about ownership, perhaps that is my problem. I did get Aeva to run properly today by manually creating all the missing folders with 777 and then copying over the needed folders and files. What I did notice was that on the original install, the failed folder names where there, but they were created as a file. I suppose the system did the best it could. I am curious though why the server ( apache ) would prevent a new file from being created? Does the server consider itself the owner of the new file?

I am most grateful for the help of you and others; Aeva is installed on the original theme and appears to be working quite nicely. Now I must discover how to make sure the RGBB Curve theme from Crip can be made to work as a theme.

Many thanks to all! 

Lou

[Arantor]

Does the server consider itself the owner of the new file?

What normally happens on many hosts is that Apache is run under its own user account, often called apache, www-data or even 'nobody'. Since SMF is running in PHP, which is through Apache, Apache's account is often responsible for creating the files and folders, so yes, the server will consider itself the owner.

[Lou69]

Does the server consider itself the owner of the new file?

What normally happens on many hosts is that Apache is run under its own user account, often called apache, www-data or even 'nobody'. Since SMF is running in PHP, which is through Apache, Apache's account is often responsible for creating the files and folders, so yes, the server will consider itself the owner.

Thank you Arantor, this clears up much in my head.    I am getting a better understanding and that is good. I thank you for your taking time to explain this to me. 

best regards,

Lou   

[Arantor]

Just something I want to add to all the complainers in this topic who don't seem to realise what's involved in writing a large scale mod.

I'm the lead for SimpleDesk, which is a helpdesk modification for SMF, currently a fraction of the size of Aeva Media, and it took 3 months of full time equivalent (or more) development to get to 1.0, to the point I did a blog piece for it.

http://www.simpledesk.net/community/simpledesk-team-blog/the-road-1.0-677.0.html

Now, you're probably wondering why I'm spamming my own blog post here. It's because of one of the comments:

When users will begin to post like in the Aeva Media topic on SM.org (doesn't work, man it's all sh*t, help me it's not working at all, etc...) I think it's a good idea to give them a link to this topic!!

If something that's a fraction of the size and complexity of Aeva Media evokes that much work to develop, that much emotion, imagine how something *bigger*, *scarier* and more intricate takes, then imagine how it feels to have it bashed, insulted, and abused.

That's why I actually have no sympathy for the complainers here, because they fail to appreciate the actual amount of work that goes into something the size and magnitude of Aeva Media, and why I fully agree with what Nao has done.

[Soms]

+1 Arantor

I don't remember the quote precisely, but I remember a wise man (Nao, I think) saying something long ago along the lines of;  before you start complaining about this mod remember how much you paid for it. I am a noob. I will always be one in terms of coding. But I've learnt a lot just by reading most of the threads on this subject. The funny thing is; most of the questions have already been answered, sometimes many times over.  I will recommend that people just read at least the last 5-10 pages first before demanding to be helped for a product nobody invited them to install anyway.

[Nao 尚]

If something that's a fraction of the size and complexity of Aeva Media evokes that much work to develop, that much emotion, imagine how something *bigger*, *scarier* and more intricate takes, then imagine how it feels to have it bashed, insulted, and abused.

bunch off crapz
every1 nowz all neo did waz 2 add uzeless stuf & yel at eveyr1.

lookit thi latest rev, his tryin to turnus intoo sissiez with his raunded b00bs eveyrwere lulz.

rev 243
+ Added rounded corners for previous/next thumbnails in item pages. (Aeva-Gallery.php, Aeva.template.php, am.css)

(No, seriously, I think it will show at some point... It's becoming girlish. Not in a bad way, though.)

[Arantor]

Hahaha

If rounded corners are the evidence of trying to turn us into sissies (or something) let's all gang up on the SMF theme designers!

I disavowed wanting to help the community after far less contribution than you, I still don't get why you put up with it at all.

[MultiformeIngegno]

Latest rev works (as always) works without a hitch!!

[Nao 尚]

@Lorenzo> Well... I don't change much between each rev, so no surprise here! I just try to implement the rounded corners whenever I find a page that isn't up to date...

If rounded corners are the evidence of trying to turn us into sissies (or something) let's all gang up on the SMF theme designers!

It's like everything: too much of one good thing, may turn into a bad thing. "Less is better", sometimes.
I must admit, though, that I love these rounded corners because I've chosen a very subtle radius size (5px). They add to the picture, rather than detracting from it. And I've successfully tested adding rounded corners + shadows on all avatars at noisen, it looks great. (I'm not sure about shadows on AeMe pics, though. Now THAT would detract...)

I disavowed wanting to help the community after far less contribution than you, I still don't get why you put up with it at all.

I just don't...
I'm surprised I spent 2 years of my life on the Aeva project, that's all. I'll give you that. I'm surprised I spitted out something like 20k lines of code in 2 years, when Kyodai Mahjongg's main source file itself has about 20k lines and it took me 10 years to make it perfect... (The project as a whole, though, is closer to 80k lines but it includes all of the static libraries.)
Yeah, I tend to surprise myself from time to time...

Right now -- I'm on my 'break'. Wasting my time on evaluating whether or not I'll play Valkyrie Profile, lol... (Eh, I suck at platform games. Big time. But I love the soundtrack.)

[Arantor]

It's like everything: too much of one good thing, may turn into a bad thing. "Less is better", sometimes.

Definitely, I have no doubt this is part of why I crashed and burned from the Cust. team earlier this year, but I guess you've already heard my thoughts on the full scenario there

What I meant was I didn't get why you put up with it as long as you did. Good thing I wasn't the one involved on AeMe, I'd have told the community where to stick it a long time ago, and I wouldn't have provided my own site for support.

Actually, according to my figures, AeMe is closer to 40k total (even excluding blank lines) right now

[Nao 尚]

What I meant was I didn't get why you put up with it as long as you did.

It's simple actually. Needs to be put into perspective etc.
I'd been working on my site for a year or so, adding a lot of goodies that were exclusive to it. One day, I decided I needed to get started on the gallery system I needed. I was planning to use the very evolved gallery system I wrote for cynagames.com (which has many, many interesting features that aren't in other galleries -- most of which I, in turn, re-introduced in Aeva Media). But then I got a bit lazy because much of my gallery was written in Templeet (a script system built on top of PHP), and it required adapting it to PHP. So I tried SMF Gallery, then SMF Media Gallery, which I decided to use... And I added stuff to it, and didn't want to have to re-add them each time I'd upgrade, so I offered Dragooon to join the dev team... In the end there were many features I wanted to add for myself, so I did it. Giving AeMe to the public was only an afterthought really. Providing support for the mod was totally unplanned on my side. Basically, I made what I wanted on my site. Didn't expect to share it...

Now, I'm back working on noisen (albeit a bit slowly), and back to 'not sharing anything'. I may share, but only if SMF ends up being distributed with a BSD license. And only if I don't have to put up with extra tech support. I just can't stand supporting mods right now. Even when people are nice -- it takes too much time and I always end up getting upset for one reason or the other.

Actually, according to my figures, AeMe is closer to 40k total (even excluding blank lines) right now

I wouldn't count external modules in it (YUI, Highslide, Exifixer, my recompiled JW Player, etc...), so... Hard to say!

[Arantor]

Ah, I see how it happened, almost by stealth

The figure of ~39k lines is simply based on the total number of lines of PHP/XML/CSS/JS in the mod, excluding blank lines.

[Nao 尚]

Ah, I see how it happened, almost by stealth

2 years ago, I certainly would have laughed at anyone telling me that I'd be spending the next 2 years doing what made me give up my job on KMJ: tech support!

[Arantor]

Heh, you and I thrive on building the code and enjoying the journey, not the neverending slog afterwards.

You may find the one thread interesting in Chit Chat about whether SMF needs to be more idiot-proofed or not...