Site Comments : Baiting

[C4G-TK]

It also has no option to logout anywhere.  Will try rebooting and seeing if something changes.

[JBlaze]

I think it best to split this part off into Bug Reports?

[Fustrate]

Try ?action=logout in the url, and then you should be able to log back in as normal.

[Filipina]

I was watching that thread with weightman and Nao and I kept asking myself why is weightman still here posting? It just seemed strange that he was allowed to continue for so long, and take up so much of your staff's valuable time. In MHO he did not deserve that much attention.

I guess for me it all comes down to family. The people that support me, and spend their valuable time supporting my site, are my family. They will always be given more slack. I hope SMF will continue to support their online family of dedicated volunteers first, and not be afraid to take out the trash before it starts to stink.  Cheers!

[weightlifter]

So, I will now use a different account, will keep using the AEVA mod without allowing any censorship of my websites, will no longer contribute anything to SMF, Nao quite developing AEVA and does not allow anyone else to take it over, and I am supposed to feel punished? LOL.

I insulted no one, only criticized Nao's TOS. I broke no SMF rules. I followed all SMF commands. I was not offered any official warnings. I was not told why I was banned. SMF broke their own rules by publicly discussing my ban, and I don't really care.

Thanks,

weightman

[青山 素子]

So, I will now use a different account,

No you won't. I am banning this account for evading an existing ban. It might have been not noticed for a while if you weren't being so obvious about it. Instead, you chose to publicly flaunt your violations.

will keep using the AEVA mod without allowing any censorship of my websites,

That is between you and Nao. As you were told numerous times (and continue to ignore), it is not a public matter so take it private.

will no longer contribute anything to SMF,

After your behavior and accusations about backdoors in stuff, I don't think I'd trust any contributions from you.

Nao quite developing AEVA and does not allow anyone else to take it over,

Indeed. That is his decision. Just remember that you are primarily responsible for that. I hope all the upset users of that modification understand this.

I insulted no one, only criticized Nao's TOS.

You don't call any of the following things insults?

I find it incredibly arrogant, like him, and in fact fascist/oppressive of freedom.

Do you want to be succeptible to the insertion of malware on your site simply because Nao decides your politics are unacceptable to his standards?

For my concern, Nao's efforts certainly appear to be utterly fascist and dangerous.

I broke no SMF rules. I followed all SMF commands. I was not offered any official warnings.

You ignored repeated requests to take your private argument private. You chose to ignore that. You had also have three past formal warnings against you and had several official warnings via PM since.

I was not told why I was banned.

I think the ban message says it all: "We have warned you repeatedly.  Honor or not, you do not have the right to continue to disregard the rules we put in place for a reason.  There are proper channels for these things and you chose to ignore them.  This is strike three."

SMF broke their own rules by publicly discussing my ban, and I don't really care.

Given the highly public disruption you caused and the effects it had, it was in the community's interest to know.

If you don't really care, why are you even bothering to troll and gloat?

[zenjesus]

Obviously, that account was a throw away. I have others

Yes, saying he is arrogant would be an insult, if he didn't say the same thing about himself. The other statements were regarding the TOS, not him. I got no PMs, no warnings.

No worries. Good luck to you.

[青山 素子]

Obviously, that account was a throw away. I have others

Banned.

[C4G-TK]

It could be pretty useful since he keeps coming back to it.  I know this may be a little inappropriate, but one way to catch a fish is to use "bait"  I know.  I know.  That was a poor attempt at humor, but someone should be able to see the humor in that.

@Jblaze -

You need to finish that Ban Mod, so it can become an actual part of the software.   

[JBlaze]

It could be pretty useful since he keeps coming back to it.  I know this may be a little inappropriate, but one way to catch a fish is to use "bait"  I know.  I know.  That was a poor attempt at humor, but someone should be able to see the humor in that.

@Jblaze -

You need to finish that Ban Mod, so it can become an actual part of the software.  

Finish it for me?

[C4G-TK]

Ummm, I'm better with a PSP than I am with PHP. 
_{(And I don't even own a PSP.  Just two PS3's, a Wii, and an Xbox!)}

[It is accomplished]

Nao here. Feel free to delete this account. I just felt it that, in the light of the "weighlifting" and "zenjesus" messages, it would be okay to just post this (which I'd been dying to do, I must admit), and sign off again. If you see me use this account again, please ban me for an extra week as it'd probably mean I'm intoxicated

This was posted a bit over 3 months ago. Now, I'm not here to have someone else plead for me, I prefer to deal with (and pay for) my problems myself. I just thought this particular post would be interesting. Every single word of it.

Dear SMF,

I am a very big fan of this forum software. I do not want to cause waves here or be banned PLEASE. But, I have to stand for what I believe. Nao is the developer of two of SMF's most promising and/or popular mods and is tireless in his support for said mods to the point where I have even tried to get him to chill out for his own good. In the last couple days, a troll has been antagonizing him over some minor issue, some request for a new feature in his gallery mod. No one is perfect and he may not have reacted perfectly to this guy's antagonism but the SMF staff or whatever they are called have left him hanging out to dry, allowed him to be disrespected in his own mod thread while his is giving so much. Hey, he should have just ignored the troll, but not only did they ban somone for sticking up for them, which intimidated my defense of him as well, but they have offered him no support on the matter whatsoever. Now, he is going to quit development apparently, which I foresaw was going to happen.

I am begging the SMF staff to reconsider this decision. The troll at the very least owes Nao an apology or at least should be stopped from antagonizing him further by posting in "Nao's threads" and to be honest I even think the SMF team owes him an apology though that is unnecessary I am sure. Anyway, I am asking the SMF team to do SOMETHING to make Nao feel "nurtured" enough to continue his excellent contributions.

Talk about history repeating itself, eh. Now just read again page 2 of the current topic, then click on the link below.
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=289263.msg1902714#msg1902714

Wasn't it worth it? I'm sure it made you smile, like me. See you guys next week!

[bloc]

Frankly, after reading and even participating some in Nao's "turmoil" topic(s) I am appalled that a single mod developer can muster up so much angry people.

In short, with mod developers like that who needs enemies..

[onlyfreedom]

Great link Nao. I especially like this part:

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=289263.msg1902744#msg1902744

Nao then added...

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    Until you apologize, you'll never be able to know whether I'm not inserting in the next versions some custom code to purposely erase *your* gallery on reinstall. That'll be fun.

By my count, that is four such threats, including one via PM to me, weightman. Interesting that Motoko accused me of libel for stating the *fact* he made such threats, repeatedly. But, no I do not hate Nao. I hate censorship. Please remember this conflict started from me posting a simple bug report, to be nice. This is after Nao attacked me repeatedly via PM and I finally told him to leave me alone or I would report him. Its all still in my weightman PM box. This guy is a great developer. But, I will not allow *anyone* to censor my websites. And, not only is Nao trying to claim I must remove any videos he doesn't like from "all my sites", even the ones he has never seen and even youtuve videos, he has now stated I must remove any words he doesn't like. I will *never* bow to such absurd infringement of liberty.

The whole thing was settled from my view when Motoko-Chan said SMF would not support him if he planted malware in AEVA. However, then they split my discussion of his TOS from the AEVA thread, which was of course on-topic, allowed continued defamation to my name and one of my websites, calling the entire site bigoted and racist while there are plenty of members that would agree with Nao rather than me, and disputed *facts* I mentioned in trying to defend myself and more importantly the members of the weightlifting exchange.

But, its all good. I would ask for my weightman account to be restored, but whatever. I have more accounts. But, if you would lock all these topics on the subject, I already *promised* via email to not bring it up again since there is not malware in AEVA and SMF won't allow there to be any.  It is Nao that kept bringing up the conflict with his silly demands no matter what I said.

I feel sorry for him.

Later

[Tiribulus]

This will be my very last post in this topic regarding this controversy and I'll make it short.

@weightman:

Forgetting all about SMF, AVEA, specific political issues or anything else. It is people like you who give ammunition to the statist liberals now occupying the halls of power in the United States. I'm pretty sure I'd be on your side on most issues, (you may be surprised) but you are one ineffective counterproductive representative of traditional American conservatism.

Feel free to continue proving me right. I will not respond, but I had to get that off my chest.

(P.S. even if it were actually done, causing "the gallery" to not function is not the same as poisoning the site as a whole. That would be no different than a piece of shareware timing out)

[onlyfreedom]

I am *not* a conservative. I am a *true* liberal, an objectivist libertarian. We all do what we think is right, even Nao.

No worries.

[青山 素子]

I am *not* a conservative. I am a *true* liberal, an objectivist libertarian. We all do what we think is right, even Nao.

You are also banned, again.

People, stop feeding the troll.

[C4G-TK]

If anything, this thread has done one thing for me.  It has shown how ineffectual banning someone is with the current software.  I will be sure to take some extra precautions on my own forums.

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=301568.msg1993657#msg1993657

[青山 素子]

If anything, this thread has done one thing for me.  It has shown how ineffectual banning someone is with the current software.  I will be sure to take some extra precautions on my own forums.

Banning by IP doesn't make sense when IPs can be changed easily enough. That method only works against statically assigned IPs. Also, if someone wants to get in bad enough, they will.


Now, can we try and take this back on topic, please?

[Tiribulus]

Meanwhile back at the ranch

I have disposed of my bag of troll feed and apologize for that display of weakness.

On a larger note that is indeed related to the topic at hand, what would be the tragedy of letting people have it out away from the support threads? I'm not trying to tell you folks how to set policy for your site and certainly flaming in support topics is undesirable under any circumstances and harms the SMF brand.

However, as long as as there are some bounds of sanity and no R rated language what would it hurt to let people pummel each other in the off topic board? Or here it's called Chit Chat. I didn't think either side was handling this situation very well, but as afar as raw content is concerned I also didn't see anything that would be out of place in the off topic board of any lively website.

Please don't take me wrong, I love it here as you can tell, I'm just wondering what was so abominable if it hadn't been happening in a support topic. "you're a bigot" "you're a fascist" ? That is a censored episode of Care Bears compared to some sites I've been on. How many people would even see it. I have to think that the vast majority of traffic happens in the support topics anyway. I though it was a good move getting the discussion out of the AVEA thread, but I also confess to being a bit dismayed when it was quickly killed.