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[kat]

I'd substitute "Objective truth" with "Objective reasoning", Kindy.

Essentially the same, though.

The OED says the same.

[Kindred]

Sorry, but you ARE playing games. with the semantics.
and I am completely used to parsing these two words together, as we have used this definition in many of the classes that I have taken and that I teach.

BTW: xrunner...  I am an English teacher.  I know the meaning of words.




Also, please note the additions to my previous post which were apparently added while you were repsonding.

BTW: This one is particularly good
http://robertwalkeronline.com/2012/04/16/are-all-opinions-equally-valid/

[kat]

Does the SMF Forum Need A Board for Spam only Discussions/Help?

[Kindred]

nah... we generate enough spam in this thread alone.

[kat]

I'm not sure that that's a valid opinion.

A valid belief, sure. But...

[xrunner]

Sorry, but you ARE playing games. with the semantics.
and I am completely used to parsing these two words together, as we have used this definition in many of the classes that I have taken and that I teach.

So what? I don't give a rat's ass if you have 22 PhD's in English. You are wrong this time. You are using an appeal to authority fallacy for yourself. That's what you've resorted to now.

Unfortunately it doesn't make you right.

An opinion is valid if it's truly the opinion the person, and invalid if it is a lie that it is a true opinion.

You are embarrassing yourself in front of the whole forum. And it's all because you didn't like how I responded to your condescending retort to me about the new spam board.

Shame on you for acting like a child.

[kat]

An opinion is only valid if it's backed-up by reasoning, at least.

To make it valid, you have to say something like "This my opinion, because I believe that..."

If your opinion is not backed-up by reasoning and/or qualification(s), it's invalid. It's just an opinion.

THAT is a fact.

[Chalky]

An opinion is only valid if it's backed-up by reasoning, at least.

To make it valid, you have to say something like "This my opinion, because I believe that..."

If your opinion is not backed-up by reasoning and/or qualification(s), it's invalid. It's just an opinion.

THAT is a fact.

Agreed K@

[kat]

I really don't see how anyone could disagree, with that.

I bet someone does, though.

[Arantor]

It is my opinion that most of this thread is nonsense, with people displaying more pedantry than I normally stoop to, in order to try to get each other to figure out the difference between fact, opinion and so on.

It is also my opinion that there are people here who conflate opinion and fact and it is firmly my opinion that an opinion does not need objective fact to support it. It merely needs not to be blown apart by contradicting fact to continue to be a valid - if illogical, if irrational, if subjective, but still valid - opinion.

[kat]

people displaying more pedantry than I normally stoop to

That's saying something, too!

My inability to type, much, has kinda cured me of that.



Mostly.

[Arantor]

I know, I was surprised. I leave you lot alone for an hour to go and deliver a dose of metal poisoning to some guards in Renaissance Italy and I come back to two whole pages of this.

(Oh, and K@... not DOSBox. That screenshot might have come from WinUAE. The Amiga version was somewhat superior to the PC version.)

[kat]

I have WinUAE.

I might have some stuff of use to your site, too.

I'll generate a list and let you have it, if your PM box is open, by the time I finish it.

Mostly adf files, though a few in just plain directories or lzx/lha files. One or two annoying WHDLoad ones, too. I wish I could find a way of registering that damned thing...

[kat]

Ha! Just found it!

http://www.whdload.de/reg.html

Doh!

[Kindred]

lol... BTW: xrunner, appeal to authority as a fallacy is only a fallacy if the authority is invalid for the appeal.
As an English teacher (albeit American English) I actually do have logical and valid authority on the subject of words and meanings.

My OPINION is that You must be a college student who just finished philosophy 101.  
that opinion may be valid or invalid based on whether you are such or not...

[xrunner]

lol... BTW: xrunner, appeal to authority as a fallacy is only a fallacy if the authority is invalid for the appeal.
As an English teacher (albeit American English) I actually do have logical and valid authority on the subject of words and meanings.

Then why can't you understand that all opinions are valid? You constantly demonstrate your misunderstandings of it. Something is amiss with you.

My OPINION is that You must be a college student who just finished philosophy 101.  
that opinion may be valid or invalid based on whether you are such or not...

And my opinion of you is that you are an overbearing, burned-out, condescending, staff member that writes off serious suggestions with LOLs and smily faces.

You don't intimidate me in the least with all that you show and tell.

Now what?

[Kindred]

I am not trying to intimidate anyone...

I understand your argument and I am not misunderstanding anything. I hold to the assertion that you are just plain wrong based on my knowledge, my research and plain old logic.

[xrunner]

I am not trying to intimidate anyone...

I understand your argument and I am not misunderstanding anything. I hold to the assertion that you are just plain wrong based on my knowledge, my research and plain old logic.

I disagree with your "logic" and I say you are wrong. Now what?

[Kindred]

now we look at the facts (which I have alreayd presented to defend my argument.   So far your onl argument was "this is the way it is" You have presented no facts or support other than your "opinion"

So... we're at an impasse because you refuse to listen to valid arguments and I refuse to change my mind based on a single person stomping his feet and repeating "I'm right" with no backing evidence. If you had a SHRED of factual backing apart from your own belief, then you'd have a leg to stand on, as it stands, you don't (so far).

So... in other words, you can continue believing your mistaken belief and everyone else can move on with the facts as presented.

[xrunner]

now we look at the facts (which I have alreayd presented to defend my argument.   So far your onl argument was "this is the way it is" You have presented no facts or support other than your "opinion"

Baloney.

So... we're at an impasse because you refuse to listen to valid arguments and I refuse to change my mind based on a single person stomping his feet and repeating "I'm right" with no backing evidence. If you had a SHRED of factual backing apart from your own belief, then you'd have a leg to stand on, as it stands, you don't (so far).

Again ridiculous. I've explained over and over to you, you are simply incapable of understanding it.

So... in other words, you can continue believing your mistaken belief and everyone else can move on with the facts as presented.

Back to ya, you've said nothing at all to make me believe you are doing anything more than acting belligerent in the face of facts. Shame on you. What a poor example to set for the community.