Update to SMF 2.0.8?

[LiroyvH]

Just wait for people to do their job, do it better on your own and then blast it out when you can prove that your own job is 100% better than theirs.

There's a caveat in that one. You can do two things:
1.) Work *with* the people whom are doing their job/doing their best
2.) Work on your own on something different (which may be incompatible) whilst they work on something else (Which might, incidentally, be a waste of time then; as bundling resources to work on the same thing can be better. (Just might not get your way in each and every aspect, that's a freedom limitation when working on the same thing with multiple people)

Imho, option 1 is the best. But that's down to opinion.

... we are better by doing our project better than they could do with a whole team working on it (we are just 2 plus a few more helpers) ...

I've seen that argument before. Namely from forks. When you can spend all your time 100% on just working on getting something out without the need to focus on other crucially important aspects of releasing your own software: the moment it is out you'll have *a lot* more to deal with than solely dealing with, for example, development.
Whilst it is easy to say "look, we did much more with just 2 people whilst you're with a lot more!!" whilst you can focus energy on one aspect and they cannot, it is apparently also equally easily forgotten that the product already out there requires a lot more than solely developing. And I think everyone making such claims, and as you so eloquently put it "feel good about yourself", will eventually find that out for themselves...

Keep that in mind.

Also don't forget that what *you* think is best might not be the vision and/or goal of other people. What is truth for you or "the best" for you does not mean somebody else has to abide by that idea as well or that someone else will share that idea/vision and thus has a different truth or "the best" idea.

Just shy of five months for a bug fix release is not a timely manner.

The 2.0.8 upgrade.

Been there, done all of that. Got each of the t-shirts in multiple colours. None of it works.

Then no offense but: perhaps it is time for a different hobby?
If contributing doesn't work, forking with someone else doesn't work and/or forking on your own doesn't work: I'd be drawing my conclusions.
If none of the T-Shirt's of the particular band fit: try another band.
Of course, you can draw another conclusion.

Of course it's not. But literally nothing else works. I can't motivate you guys into fixing your own ****** with rainbows and unicorns. And I can't motivate you guys into fixing your own ****** with a big stick either. Nor can I fix your ****** because as we've seen, that doesn't work either. What am I supposed to conclude? That your ****** can't be fixed?

You can conclude that if you wish. I care to detest.
As far as there is ******, the team is constantly working on improving whatever ****** their is and turn it in to a good thing.
Perhaps that doesn't go at the pace you'd like it to be in. But that's more a patience problem than non-activity from the team.

Keep in mind, you can motiviate: but you can't motivate people, with different personalities and ideas, to conform themselves 100% to your opinion.

I tried being constructive. Like everything else it didn't work. You can only help a patient who *wants* to be helped.

I'm pretty sure the "patient" is always happy with whatever help is available to improve their 'condition'.
That the patient perhaps does not accept all treatment and/or disagrees with The Doctor once in a while when a lot comes up that might be subject to change or (potential) improvement: that is something that *will* be encountered for sure.

I rejoined last autumn specifically because I thought I could make more difference by being involved. But given the pressure I was under to not do what I wanted to do and to do what the team wanted (remember: I didn't actually want to work on 2.1), I came to realise that nothing I said was actually working.

Well, I guess that's potentially the problem then.
In a team environment, it isn't possible to call all the shots and do only what you like, 100% to your idea. (Remember: I don't think anyone forced to work on 2.1)
You'd either have to become lead (declined.) or start a solo project. But when multiple people try to work out one product: a single person cannot always get their way. (And I do believe you got your way on a number of things. And yeap, those were quite good )

Then, perhaps, their best isn't actually very good, is it?

I'm fairly confident it is.

It does not take 5 months to install a bug fix patch, not even with the problems that were encountered at the time. At *most* it should take an afternoon, even if you had to go and make all the relevant changes (including in the database) by hand. And yet here we are, five months on and the proper fixed version of 2.0.7 is still not installed. I even checked before posting that (because quoting a post with smileys into the full editor when using WYSIWYG doesn't work properly in the first version of 2.0.7)

And it is of course a major blocker...

Am I supposed to tell you that you've done a good job?

You're supposed to do whatever you like. You can either say we did a ****** job or a good job... Which one it is: that's up to you.

Here's something else to ponder. If I hadn't gotten embarrassed at the team last month when I prepared the bulk of 2.0.8, would you have a 2.0.8 to push today? Would someone have spent the time fixing the issues in 2.0.7 if I hadn't?

Perhaps we would, perhaps we would not. I, and many others, thanked you for your contribution and sincerely hope you will contribute more in the future.
(Although, by the looks of it; that chance seems somewhat slim. Unfortunately.)
I'm sure it will have gotten there, just not as fast. So yes, thank you for ensuring this could be pushed out very fast.

This is a huge part of the problem. I cannot trust you guys to get your house in order by evidence of what I see in front of me. I accept the Avast stuff necessarily delayed 2.0.8 in case a legitimate security issue was found but that was weeks ago - and still doesn't change the fact that testing on 2.0.8 could have been done in the interim even with Charter Members. I can't quite believe that no-one tested 2.0.8 search in the month the patch was with you guys.

It was tested interim, with charter members.

No, I don't. That's another problem.

If I thought you people were listening to me and taking on board what I was saying, what I've been saying for months or in some cases years, maybe I wouldn't be quite so much of a doom monger as Kindred has labelled me. Maybe if I thought there was any chance of you getting your house in order I wouldn't be so negative. But NOTHING I have seen leads me to believe that's going to happen. Each day I see more and more evidence to support my position.

Oh come on. Again, no offense, but that one imho is not very fair at all. You know very well, as you also just indicated yourself, that you have not been making the most pleasant of posts lately. Very negative in tone. That's ok, but I'm quite sure you were not surprised that at one point someone, in this case Kindred, said something about it... And I think it's unfair that you do take offense to that, whilst apparently the people you're saying negative things to should accept it and keep quiet about it... Come on, that's not fair, is it?
I personally don't think there's a need to drag that one out. You *both* had your say and have your opinion, you've both been negative... Done. Carry on. Let it be.
If I were to be doing the same thing I could be quoting for months on the last post with "******", "team doing a worthless job", "your house is out of order", etc.
Hate me if you must, but I sincerely feel you're dragging that one out, and slightly out of context, while there's no point nor real purpose in it.

Either way, that aside...
I disagree with you. I believe it's quite perfectly in order, but sure it's not going very fast and the evidence might not be instantly visible. We've never been fast. And there's only such limited hands that can work on it.

If you're truly so concerned and absolutely convinced there is no "order in the house": step up. Lead. Get it in order. Don't shout: do! Shouting and cursing will not fix it, if anything is wrong.
... But if you only accept your own vision as the right one: it's never going to work in a huge team environment. Sadly.

Big waste. Such potential. Much sad.

I quite agree, but I think we're talking about different things.
I hope you can turn the negative feelings in to positive ones. Don't only look at us, also look at yourself.

[Arantor]

Also don't forget that what *you* think is best might not be the vision and/or goal of other people. What is truth for you or "the best" for you does not mean somebody else has to abide by that idea as well or that someone else will share that idea/vision and thus has a different truth or "the best" idea.

Which means we're back to what I said before about not being allowed to work on what I want to work on, so I don't want to work on it.

The 2.0.8 upgrade.

I wasn't talking about 2.0.8. I was talking about the fact you still haven't gotten the proper release of 2.0.7 on here in 5 months.

It was tested interim, with charter members.

I gave you guys the patch on May 13. You passed it out - albeit with some extra good stuff - to them on June 12. Release to public June 19. Do you see my problem here?

Very negative in tone

That's because every ounce of positivity was slowly and surely burned away until there's nothing positive left to say. As I said then and I will say again: give me reason to be positive. Give me reason to believe in you. Don't just ask me to do so.

And I think it's unfair that you do take offense to that, whilst apparently the people you're saying negative things to should accept it and keep quiet about it...

If that's what you're getting from what I'm saying, no wonder I'm so negative about it. I'm not expecting people to just accept it and keep quiet about it. I used to expect them to do something about it, then it was just hoping they'd do something about it, and then it was a certain amount of ambivalence.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable in not being prepared to take anything on faith from this team. I'm not asking for concrete proof. I'm asking for a sign that things are getting better in spite of all the signs that they are not. I'd even be prepared to overlook the worst signs of it going wrong if I could see any signs of it going right.

If you're truly so concerned and absolutely convinced there is no "order in the house": step up. Lead. Get it in order. Don't shout: do! Shouting and cursing will not fix it, if anything is wrong.
... But if you only accept your own vision as the right one: it's never going to work in a huge team environment. Sadly.

Trust me, the team does not want me in that position because every response to every objection will simply be 'STFU, I'm right, you're wrong' because I would see no reason to be any more tactful. Then if it works and everyone's a winner, it'll be down to the team as a whole "working together" or some such rationalisation. And if it fails it'd be my fault for not listening to the team.

And in case you're forgetting... I DID step up. I did try to move things along. More than once I felt uncomfortable because I was juggling between doing something I didn't want to do, and directly just doing what I felt was right, knowing that it would likely be wrong in the end...

oh you know what? I shouldn't have even started replying to this. It's just making me feel more nauseous, knowing that it isn't going anywhere.

I hope you can turn the negative feelings in to positive ones. Don't only look at us, also look at yourself.

Did you never, in any of this time, in any of our long conversations, ever realise just how much I utterly hate myself? I wouldn't trust myself to lead anyway, I've never been convinced I'd take anyone anywhere good.

-- Pete

[Ninja ZX-10RR]

Just wait for people to do their job, do it better on your own and then blast it out when you can prove that your own job is 100% better than theirs.

There's a caveat in that one. You can do two things:
1.) Work *with* the people whom are doing their job/doing their best
2.) Work on your own on something different (which may be incompatible) whilst they work on something else (Which might, incidentally, be a waste of time then; as bundling resources to work on the same thing can be better. (Just might not get your way in each and every aspect, that's a freedom limitation when working on the same thing with multiple people)

Imho, option 1 is the best. But that's down to opinion.

1) I am. And I am in first line for it. I am currently trying to understand the more things that I can about SMF in order to be able to solve problems more quickly when I will have less time to deal with them
2) I meant only fixing bugs and improving things, no new features and stuff. He indirectly said he found a security flaw in here for instance. Then I hope (for him) he will patch and prove he is better or either SMF team do that first proving that teamwork is better than a lone wolf

... we are better by doing our project better than they could do with a whole team working on it (we are just 2 plus a few more helpers) ...

I've seen that argument before. Namely from forks. When you can spend all your time 100% on just working on getting something out without the need to focus on other crucially important aspects of releasing your own software: the moment it is out you'll have *a lot* more to deal with than solely dealing with, for example, development.
Whilst it is easy to say "look, we did much more with just 2 people whilst you're with a lot more!!" whilst you can focus energy on one aspect and they cannot, it is apparently also equally easily forgotten that the product already out there requires a lot more than solely developing. And I think everyone making such claims, and as you so eloquently put it "feel good about yourself", will eventually find that out for themselves...[/quote]

Nonono you misunderstood me there 100% I think. I have been quite unclear as I see.. Well I am not trying to create a fork or some forum software, the forum is and will be SMF forever I believe as our login system is based on it. Our project is about a new revolutionary First Person Shooting game that will be free to play but with a lot of features that any producer can claim they really have. So no fork and no software, totally different thing.
We will have much more stuff to do but thanks to Arantor providing me SimpleDesk I can open, read and answer a support ticket in less than 60 unbelievable seconds. Aeriagames takes around 5 minutes and they do have canned replies, crappy ones as well.
Additionally we will hire some people if necessary but believe me I can handle it until some thousands of users, I know I can because I am a gamer as well and I usually know what they are looking for so I get it ready for when they ask for it or even publish it earlier

Also don't forget that what *you* think is best might not be the vision and/or goal of other people. What is truth for you or "the best" for you does not mean somebody else has to abide by that idea as well or that someone else will share that idea/vision and thus has a different truth or "the best" idea.

It was just a suggestion indeed his choice.

Can I suggest you a thing even if I am a 21 y.o. noob who can't code an exe file?

This is because I learned one thing from an old man once. He said to me "You are not even 20 and I am much older than you, you have to learn from me as well as I have to learn from you. Different points of views are crucial to me, that's why I am listening to both sides, it would be easy to just go against the "outsider" but I don't. I wonder why he acts like this, he spent so much time and effort here and there must be a reason for it. I wanna know it (that pm I am impatient to send...) and only after that I will be thinking who is right to me, also because he is not the only one, I have seen another guy quitting (no names) claiming that some people from SMF team are idiots (I know who he is talking about but ofc I won't say that).
But I need to know. My judgement and his choice. Different povs, I wanna understand everyone's pov though before choosing what is good and what is wrong to me.

As always I thank you for your answers, it's nice to be actually considered by people like you (yeah I know my words don't count but it's nice to get an answer anyhow )

@Pete I don't care if you hate yourself, sometimes I do that too and maybe even more seeing the scars I have on my wrist.
I don't care if you do there are people that like what you do out there! Think that the stuff you did is good and be more positive wouldn't hurt, it hurts instead if you are destructive like this so the moral of this sentence is shut up and let people appreciate you even if you don't because perfection doesn't exist.
If someone in the team can reply like this

'STFU, I'm right, you're wrong'

I strongly believe that he shouldn't be in the team. If I was admin and a guy had replied me like that he would have got kicked in just a second. People must listen to others, especially to the more expert ones.
Ask any user about this whether they like a team member doing everything on his own with arrogance or whether they want a team listening to each other. All of us would ask for the second one and a kick for anyone in the team thinking differently.

[LiroyvH]

Which means we're back to what I said before about not being allowed to work on what I want to work on, so I don't want to work on it.

And that is totally within your rights.
But that doesn't make the negativity much more constructive.

I wasn't talking about 2.0.8.

I was.

I gave you guys the patch on May 13. You passed it out - albeit with some extra good stuff - to them on June 12. Release to public June 19. Do you see my problem here?

No. It was tested prior to release and there has indeed been a delay of at least 2 weeks due to other circumstances.
In essence, it was pretty much pushed out within approximately 2 weeks if you take all that in to account. You like no other know exactly how long the situation lasted.

That's because every ounce of positivity was slowly and surely burned away until there's nothing positive left to say. As I said then and I will say again: give me reason to be positive. Give me reason to believe in you. Don't just ask me to do so.

Rome was not built in a day and was given time. And building Rome had quirks... In their case usually running out of stones was a problem.
A lot of people here certainly hope you will like the end-result. If you do not: tough luck, that's too bad. It is too bad, but it's impossible to please everyone or keep the same people pleased all the time. But we can hope as many people as possible like it.

If you want to speed up seeing something positive: this is not constructive, contributing would be.
But that is, indeed, fully up to you. Just pointing out: making such posts is really not quite useful.
And I understand you do not wish to work on 2.1. Ok, so be it. But shouting isn't helping.

If that's what you're getting from what I'm saying, no wonder I'm so negative about it. I'm not expecting people to just accept it and keep quiet about it.

Yet, you did seem offended when someone did not keep quiet...
Your "kindred labelled me" post, and repetitively repeating of that seems to indicate it.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable in not being prepared to take anything on faith from this team. I'm not asking for concrete proof. I'm asking for a sign that things are getting better in spite of all the signs that they are not. I'd even be prepared to overlook the worst signs of it going wrong if I could see any signs of it going right.

I think there are plenty of signs, and I'm sorry to solely see you only looking for, and focusing at, anything negative you encounter; completely ignoring the positive or refusing to see it. And if I point to something positive, I'm quite confident you may disagree or look at something negative in return... Endless circle.

I don't think it's going wrong at all, I think it's doing better than it has in quite some time. Also thanks to you, I might add.
And I guess we completely disagree on that point... And yes: that may mean continuing the discussion might bear no fruits and will be pointless.

Trust me, the team does not want me in that position because every response to every objection will simply be 'STFU, I'm right, you're wrong' because I would see no reason to be any more tactful. Then if it works and everyone's a winner, it'll be down to the team as a whole "working together" or some such rationalisation. And if it fails it'd be my fault for not listening to the team.

That's black and white.
And if the only reponse to an objection can be "STFU, I'm right, you're wrong": then it indeed is incompatible with a team environment... Yup.

And in case you're forgetting... I DID step up. I did try to move things along. More than once I felt uncomfortable because I was juggling between doing something I didn't want to do, and directly just doing what I felt was right, knowing that it would likely be wrong in the end...

And you certainly have helped moving things along. I wish you'd have kept going at that.
Fortunately, other people are working on finishing it up.

oh you know what? I shouldn't have even started replying to this. It's just making me feel more nauseous, knowing that it isn't going anywhere.

It probably will not go anywhere. But does it have to? There does not have to be a happy ending where we completely agree.
There's always the beautiful road: agree to disagree. And then we both carry on. No need to feel bad about it, I'm actually glad we *can* have different opinions and visions.

Did you never, in any of this time, in any of our long conversations, ever realise just how much I utterly hate myself? I wouldn't trust myself to lead anyway, I've never been convinced I'd take anyone anywhere good.

I sure did. And it makes me slightly sad, as there is absolutely no reason for that. Really none.
You're a good guy, and it's a shame you don't seem to know it or realize it.
Kind, intelligent, with a sense of humor and quite frankly: f-ing insane. (In a positive way.) Good guy, good friend.


I'll rejoice on the day you will actually realize it...
Make no mistake... We appreciate you. ******, you're appreciated by many people here and highly respected. That should mean something, no?
Focus on the good, not the bad.

Don't drown in despair (or a bottle ), but be happy. And perhaps the only way to achieve it is by making a major change... And that will be very tough.

2) I meant only fixing bugs and improving things, no new features and stuff. He indirectly said he found a security flaw in here for instance. Then I hope (for him) he will patch and prove he is better or either SMF team do that first proving that teamwork is better than a lone wolf

Being faster does not mean you're better. It just means you're faster.
(That, incidentally, the solution might be better or the person submitting it is a very good coder makes no difference in that comparison.)

Nonono you misunderstood me there 100% I think. I have been quite unclear as I see.. Well I am not trying to create a fork or some forum software, the forum is and will be SMF forever I believe as our login system is based on it. Our project is about a new revolutionary First Person Shooting game that will be free to play but with a lot of features that any producer can claim they really have. So no fork and no software, totally different thing.
We will have much more stuff to do but thanks to Arantor providing me SimpleDesk I can open, read and answer a support ticket in less than 60 unbelievable seconds. Aeriagames takes around 5 minutes and they do have canned replies, crappy ones as well.
Additionally we will hire some people if necessary but believe me I can handle it until some thousands of users, I know I can because I am a gamer as well and I usually know what they are looking for so I get it ready for when they ask for it or even publish it earlier

You said you were working on a project. (I never said it was SMF or software, I was simply naming an example for the hypothetical situation.)
You also said you were doing it with less people, but that you're doing it better. (At least: you are convinced you are, I cannot judge if it's true )
All I'm saying is: keep in mind the already existing product might have *a lot* more on their plate and don't have time to solely focus on another building stage.

[Ninja ZX-10RR]

That's because every ounce of positivity was slowly and surely burned away until there's nothing positive left to say. As I said then and I will say again: give me reason to be positive. Give me reason to believe in you. Don't just ask me to do so.

Rome was not built in a day and was given time. And building Rome had quirks... In their case usually running out of stones was a problem.
A lot of people here certainly hope you will like the end-result. If you do not: tough luck, that's too bad. It is too bad, but it's impossible to please everyone or keep the same people pleased all the time. But we can hope as many people as possible like it.

If you want to speed up seeing something positive: this is not constructive, contributing would be.
But that is, indeed, fully up to you. Just pointing out: making such posts is really not quite useful.
And I understand you do not wish to work on 2.1. Ok, so be it. But shouting isn't helping.

Another solution to the 2 I suggested, but I didn't mention this as it seemed he didn't consider it for somehow because of SMF team being I'd say "faulty"

I don't think I'm being unreasonable in not being prepared to take anything on faith from this team. I'm not asking for concrete proof. I'm asking for a sign that things are getting better in spite of all the signs that they are not. I'd even be prepared to overlook the worst signs of it going wrong if I could see any signs of it going right.

I think there are plenty of signs, and I'm sorry to solely see you only looking for, and focusing at, anything negative you encounter; completely ignoring the positive or refusing to see it. And if I point to something positive, I'm quite confident you may disagree or look at something negative in return... Endless circle.

You know that I am trying to understand both of you but Core has a point here. Try to be positive even if you feel depressed, stressed, trolled, used, abused and so on. You won't be losing anything anyhow won't you?

That's black and white.
And if the only reponse to an objection can be "STFU, I'm right, you're wrong": then it indeed is incompatible with a team environment... Yup.

See? No worries about this it'd be a disrespecting answer as well u.u

And in case you're forgetting... I DID step up. I did try to move things along. More than once I felt uncomfortable because I was juggling between doing something I didn't want to do, and directly just doing what I felt was right, knowing that it would likely be wrong in the end...

And you certainly have helped moving things along. I wish you'd have kept going at that.
Fortunately, other people are working on finishing it up.

I just wish I could have seen you there.

oh you know what? I shouldn't have even started replying to this. It's just making me feel more nauseous, knowing that it isn't going anywhere.

It probably will not go anywhere. But does it have to? There does not have to be a happy ending where we completely agree.
There's always the beautiful road: agree to disagree. And then we both carry on. No need to feel bad about it, I'm actually glad we *can* have different opinions and visions.

This is because of you being "over-negative" Pete... Try to think that you *will* find a solution? If you start a project thinking you will fail... Guess what? You will fail xD

Did you never, in any of this time, in any of our long conversations, ever realise just how much I utterly hate myself? I wouldn't trust myself to lead anyway, I've never been convinced I'd take anyone anywhere good.

I sure did. And it makes me slightly sad, as there is absolutely no reason for that. Really none.
You're a good guy, and it's a shame you don't seem to know it or realize it.
Kind, intelligent, with a sense of humor and quite frankly: f-ing insane. (In a positive way.) Good guy, good friend.


I'll rejoice on the day you will actually realize it...
Make no mistake... We appreciate you. ******, you're appreciated by many people here and highly respected. That should mean something, no?
Focus on the good, not the bad.

Don't drown in despair (or a bottle ), but be happy. And perhaps the only way to achieve it is by making a major change... And that will be very tough.[/quote]
As I can see at least in this topic the only one who hates you is... Yourself. Please don't then. If we can appreciate you why you can't? It's a non-sense to me.

2) I meant only fixing bugs and improving things, no new features and stuff. He indirectly said he found a security flaw in here for instance. Then I hope (for him) he will patch and prove he is better or either SMF team do that first proving that teamwork is better than a lone wolf

Being faster does not mean you're better. It just means you're faster.
(That, incidentally, the solution might be better or the person submitting it is a very good coder makes no difference in that comparison.)

If he can fix them better with a better, faster and more reliable code it means he *is* better though, that's what I was meaning there

Nonono you misunderstood me there 100% I think. I have been quite unclear as I see.. Well I am not trying to create a fork or some forum software, the forum is and will be SMF forever I believe as our login system is based on it. Our project is about a new revolutionary First Person Shooting game that will be free to play but with a lot of features that any producer can claim they really have. So no fork and no software, totally different thing.
We will have much more stuff to do but thanks to Arantor providing me SimpleDesk I can open, read and answer a support ticket in less than 60 unbelievable seconds. Aeriagames takes around 5 minutes and they do have canned replies, crappy ones as well.
Additionally we will hire some people if necessary but believe me I can handle it until some thousands of users, I know I can because I am a gamer as well and I usually know what they are looking for so I get it ready for when they ask for it or even publish it earlier

You said you were working on a project. (I never said it was SMF or software, I was simply naming an example for the hypothetical situation.)
You also said you were doing it with less people, but that you're doing it better. (At least: you are convinced you are, I cannot judge if it's true )
All I'm saying is: keep in mind the already existing product might have *a lot* more on their plate and don't have time to solely focus on another building stage.

I know but this is SMF and I wouldn't like a guy to advertise his own business all around my forum so I will not spam what I am doing as you may also not be interested in but if you like when the alpha will be released go to check the post I will be creating in the video games section I know that a lot of games have a lot of stuff but if I have their files and I can see my weapons are made of less polygons and they have even more details and better textures then I can say I can do better 100% of feedback has been like "OMFG" so I can say this without being too much arrogant.
If you understand something about 3D editing I gladly invite you to download Battlefield 3 weapons (made by Dice, not really noob idiots then...) and see how crappy they are, seriously - they are all triangles and not linked points. And that game sold millions of copies. They made weapons with like 10k polygons I can do the same weapon cooler and with 7k polygons. ALONE. Without hundreds of people working on it. I strongly believe that something doesn't work there and they do care only about money as well as so many other companies do.
As I am directly naming a game I must put the usual disclaimer that this is not my company's (Virtual Interactive Games Entertainment) thought about it but just my personal opinion.