Firewall monitor for SMF code itself – Restricting Mod modules talking to WEB

Started by Kiriakos GR, March 19, 2019, 08:34:16 AM

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Kiriakos GR

It is admirable that some SMF developers they do work on solving security bugs, but the Fix never arrives at the timing that new security threads appear.

I have partial proofs that one mod module that I am using this is now manipulated due hacking attempt.
Every time which I post a message on my Forum, in less than two minutes time, specific hosting provider bot this visiting specific thread and message so to copy it.

I am unaware of which one mod (module) this is now partially hacked, or if SMF database it self this sends such invitations to a foreign IP its time that it size changes. 

Therefore I am here to suggest this Mod request for a Firewall monitor for SMF code itself.
This will restrict any communications of installed mod with out the awareness of forum administrator.
Allowed communication:  Newsletter and board notifications
Anything else will require Administrator approval.
All outbound communication of SMF forum engine, this will be now logged, so any Administrator to be able to evaluate quality and behavior of its new mod regarding security threads due foreign IP communication. 

I am not aiming hiring a developer, I am offering free of charge my own inspiration so any one interested to use it in a productive way.

I am founder of ITTSB.eu Blog, if a software developer requiring detailed information's, I will answer any questions due nothing less than direct email communication.


Kindred

Слaва
Украинi

Please do not PM, IM or Email me with support questions.  You will get better and faster responses in the support boards.  Thank you.

"Loki is not evil, although he is certainly not a force for good. Loki is... complicated."

Arantor

You mean you have a search engine visiting your site, like Google (that is what you describe)

Kiriakos GR

Quote from: Kindred on March 19, 2019, 09:45:18 AM
There is no hack involved.

You better check Info Center entire code, if this has security holes too.
The hackers will not ask your permission so to hack Open source software.



Arantor

It's not a hack!!!!!! How it is a hack when it is working as designed and you can turn it off whenever you like.

Kindred

There are no known security holes in SMF 2.0.15

additionally. as you have been told, what you describe IS NOT A HACK. It is behaving EXACTLY AS DESIGNED
Слaва
Украинi

Please do not PM, IM or Email me with support questions.  You will get better and faster responses in the support boards.  Thank you.

"Loki is not evil, although he is certainly not a force for good. Loki is... complicated."

Arantor

I guess this site is hacked, if I go to the front page of the forum, scroll down and see all those latest posts! (That was sarcasm.)

Kiriakos GR

Quote from: Kindred on March 19, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
There are no known security holes in SMF 2.0.15

additionally. as you have been told, what you describe IS NOT A HACK. It is behaving EXACTLY AS DESIGNED

According my book, anything BAD DESIGNED it must GET CORRECTED, so this to meet  USERS EXPECTATIONS.

Therefore a Firewall monitor for SMF code itself, this is needed and if such a Mod come our Free or Low- Priced at 20E, it will become more popular than hamburgers.

Arantor

Your book is wrong.

SMF isn't sending anything out - bots come visit and can see the topics on the front page!

Doug Heffernan

I am a little surprised that you guys are still answering to Kiriakos GR 's topics after all the insult that he threw your way when you were trying to help him in his other topics.

Not to mention he is a complete and total ignorant, but acts like he knows everything with an arrogance and attitude that is laughable. You can not talk sense to a guy like that. It is like trying to get through a brick wall for crying out loud. Why bother?



Biology Forums

This is not a hack. My website is hammered by Google the second a topic is generated. Forums are designed like maps, hence why bots find topics so easily

Sesquipedalian

I promise you nothing.

Sesqu... Sesqui... what?
Sesquipedalian, the best word in the English language.

Kiriakos GR

Quote from: Study Force on March 23, 2019, 10:43:06 PM
This is not a hack. My website is hammered by Google the second a topic is generated. Forums are designed like maps, hence why bots find topics so easily

I do not  have a problem with Google, it does partially advertise my website due web search, when it does not receive advertising revenue from my competitors.

At that period of time, there is no search engine which will promote a single SMF forum if this does not pay the price.
They do collect info, but this is for their own statistics only.   

Kiriakos GR

Quote from: doug_ips on March 23, 2019, 05:55:32 PM
I am a little surprised that you guys are still answering to Kiriakos GR 's topics after all the insult that he threw your way when you were trying to help him in his other topics.

Not to mention he is a complete and total ignorant, but acts like he knows everything with an arrogance and attitude that is laughable. You can not talk sense to a guy like that. It is like trying to get through a brick wall for crying out loud. Why bother?

I told you that and before, get a dog and find love and respect as you may imagining it.
This is a topic regarding Internet security, you do fall sort, therefore leave and make space for the specialists.
It is interesting that you do not feel identically passionate finding the truth about security threads, what is the key topic in your forum ? How to Planting of coconuts ? 

Kiriakos GR

I am totally aware that specific request this requiring a truly qualifying software developer, him also be expert regarding IT networking.

I will return few months later to check for any progress, currently I am not receiving email notifications due a bug at my member profile, which no one cares to solve.

Arantor

Tell you what. I'll build it for you - if you pay my consulting fees. I am a 16 year veteran of PHP, Zend certified, I'm also formerly a member of the SMF dev team, and if you took out a consulting contract with my firm you'd also be getting some input from sysadmins who manage very large websites (like those that cost literal thousands of dollars a month to run because they're not just a little site on a server somewhere, they require a small fleet of servers to cope with)

I'd get this done for you in 40 hours; which would be £3400 (around €4200) including VAT, with full warranty for two months. Naturally terms & conditions would apply but if you were interested I could get our accounts team to write you up the formal statement of work with our terms and conditions in it.

I'd still write a caveat in it that it won't solve your problem, but it would deliver what you asked for.

If you don't want bots visiting like you're getting, disable guest access - it's literally the only way.

njtweb

I'm confused, why would anybody NOT want bots visiting their site? It's how they get indexed?

Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen

SMF  has a built in RSS feed, which any and all users/bots/search engines can follow freely.
SMF also has a list of recent posts on the index, to make new content readily availble and accessible to users/bots/search engines.
Almost all social media sharing/liking addons (mods or otherwise) will also ping back to their publisher on first load of any url, for them to scrape the basics of the page and make sure they follow their respective TOSs.
Search engines and web scrapers are plenty, and some of those just hammer you at times, and immediately follow any new links they find. That is how they work.

In all that - nothing is actually inherently dangerous, or in any way harmful to your forum. Some specific bots do however scrape forums exactly for the purpose of stealing contents - and that is a problem with those bots, not SMF.
Slava
Ukraini!
"Before you allow people access to your forum, especially in an administrative position, you must be aware that that person can seriously damage your forum. Therefore, you should only allow people that you trust, implicitly, to have such access." -Douglas

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Sesquipedalian

Quote from: njtweb on March 31, 2019, 10:01:23 AM
I'm confused, why would anybody NOT want bots visiting their site? It's how they get indexed?

You feel confused because, although Kiriakos GR believes his request makes sense, in fact it is nonsensical. He is fundamentally asking for public data to somehow not be public and yet still be public.
I promise you nothing.

Sesqu... Sesqui... what?
Sesquipedalian, the best word in the English language.

GigaWatt

Quote from: njtweb on March 31, 2019, 10:01:23 AM
I'm confused, why would anybody NOT want bots visiting their site? It's how they get indexed?

Certain parties would like to keep their site a secret (I know a few), in which case they can just use htaccess to block anyone without an adequate username and password from accessing their site.
"This is really a generic concept about human thinking - when faced with large tasks we're naturally inclined to try to break them down into a bunch of smaller tasks that together make up the whole."

"A 500 error loosely translates to the webserver saying, "WTF?"..."

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