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Offline Dalu

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Retire the software
« on: February 14, 2020, 07:00:01 AM »
I was going through free / open source forum software available and remembered SMF for being a good forum software.
So I installed it.

1. issue 64 chars long passwords with special characters (pwgen -s -1 -y 64) are not accepted so I had to make my mysql database password less secure so SMF would be able to accept it

2. once installed I tried to get to the admin section
Incorrect string value: '''' for function inet_aton File: Sources\Subs.php
aka IPv6 is not supported

2 big minuses

I'm moving on. I also believe that you should retire this software. This YaBB port has had its glory days but when a software isn't able to deal with special characters in the mysql password or has no IPv6 support in 2020 it's time to end it.
And if even those 2 basic things don't work I shudder to think about what else doesn't work.

Maybe port YaBB/SMF to Go. The structure of this board was always amazing and the modability was straightforward.
Brushing it up to a modern language that can be distributed as a binary, that can handle 150k requests/second, 5k concurrent requests on average hardware (vs PHP's 200 concurrent tops and less usually). YaBB was ported from Perl to SMF and PHP. Open the next chapter and stand out of the crowd.

Offline Illori

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Re: Retire the software
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2020, 07:44:35 AM »
that is why we are building SMF 2.1. it has by default ipv6 support.

when SMF 2.0 was created/released ipv6 was not a thing.

also why do you need a 64 character password for the database?

Offline Kindred

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Re: Retire the software
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2020, 12:42:35 PM »
because he thinks it is more secure...



And no. We are not retiring SMF nor are we porting it to any other system. SMF is solid, secure and will continue to be developed, regardless of silly commentary like the original post.
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Offline drewactual

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Re: Retire the software
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2020, 03:15:31 PM »
i just don't get folks that take time out of their day to contribute negative comments about the engine...

it is what it is- and it's solid.  people break it when tinkering, and some mods don't play nicely with other mods or the base engine sometimes when 'updating'.  Show me an engine that is open source and with contributors that doesn't have this issue?

yeah, ipv6 would be a nice thing, but... how many people this engine is designed for really require it in all its glory to fulfill what they intend?  It's like having a Ferrari in a parking garage while living in cramped confines of a major city with nowhere to drive it as intended, no? 

i've several sites running SMF- one still at .15 as it's being prepped for the 2.1 jump and.... i'd rather just leave it alone until that day (which is the moment a stable release of 2.1 is delivered).  that site is very busy- and users are a small fraction compared to legitimate lurkers that return every day.  Once familiar with the structure, SMF is super easy to manipulate for presentation (UI/UX), as it has clean coding unlike many other OS forum engines. 

it is a great forum engine.  it is NOT a great blog/publishing engine- but it CAN be used for that.  It can handle, just fine, reasonable traffic if the server is accommodating- w/http2 and some caching used responsibly, it can hum right along in heavy traffic- as an example, i've seen as many as 121 workers out of the pool of 265 MPMworkers running, and not a bit of loss of function. 

it's all with how the server is set up, and most complaints i see/hear are items outside of shared hosting are folks who tinker with source files or add sloppy code...

all that said:  I DO think that SMF (as an organization) does itself a disservice by presenting the default (curve) theme as something that looks antiquated- as it sets an initial impression for users and admin's alike that "this thing is SOOooo 2k's throwback!"... it works and it works as expected- and most folks capable of altering the presentation while not breaking function don't think twice about it.... but those who are novice will have to overcome that initial impression... As a for instance, i just launched a site last week- for a group of older folks into a hobby that is unfortunately passing away by and large- and with the default (curve) they were both intimidated AND not too thrilled with what they were presented (it is/was free for them- so there is that ) but when i started tweaking the presentation with simple little thing they were suddenly thrilled with the product.  Nothing changed but the presentation- and it is STILL the default curve by all accounts, just with tiny alterations that make a big difference... It's my opinion the Curve, just for this reason alone, should be updated OR another theme offered in the base package that appears more 'modern'... My God, there are a LOT to choose from to make that happen- and it would really boost both 2.0.x and 2.1 methinks...

alas, that^ is just opinion... just like the OP's...

Offline Kindred

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Re: Retire the software
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2020, 10:57:16 PM »
Except no.... :P
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Offline drewactual

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Re: Retire the software
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2020, 01:56:55 PM »
i understand the reluctance to change... i also get the focus on function as the primary focus especially when speaking to a group of coders.

akin to cars- some make their cars look fast and sound fast... and strut around.  some make their cars fast and look like jalopy's- strategically, sometimes, but more often it's been my observation because they just aren't as infatuated with aesthetics.

using that same analogy, Ferrari and Lambo, Maserati and Corvettes- all look fast... and they are fast... my contention is if someone took a ford Taurus or a Lincoln Mk8, as a for instance, and stuffed components in them to make them race- nobody would be interested because they don't look the part..... i use those examples because that DID happen.  and the point is- like it or not, aesthetics is just as important to 'sell'. 

and in my opinion, if SMF is to survive in either 2.0.x or 2.1, the body needs some work.  function? gotta do that to, but again- it's my opinion people like the OP would look beyond 'mechanical' aspects if it looked good out of the box.

we all know what is closely related to opinion's, though....

Offline shnazzle

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Re: Retire the software
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2020, 09:59:37 AM »
Our forum has been running for over 15 years, and we switched to SMF a few years ago. The forum hadn't changed for so long, so the older members were a bit intimidated but overall the response to going to SMF has been very positive. It has certainly helped the stability and features available to us.

It's still in active development and support via this forum is amazing.

If it's not for you, so be it, but it is serving hundreds of thousands (if not millions?) of users happily. Long may it do so.