I do not think i will support this community any longer.

[Jakob Fel]

* Jake F. decides to go off topic real quick.

Kat, you keep changing the position of your avatar.

[Norv]

* Jake F. decides to go off topic real quick.

Kat, you keep changing the position of your avatar.

Don't tell him, there's no need to go back to that sitting-on-its-head-all-dizzying-thing!

[TheListener]

We all know Kat has gone senile.

[kat]

It makes Norv go dizzy, so I keep moving him about.


I might confuse him, totally, soon, by putting him the right way up.

[Nick Whetstone]

however, have the things that caused them to leave in the first place been resolved, or do we risk another blowup in the future?

I feel it's worth noting that, had things not been resolved or improved, I doubt that multiple people would have come back.

[petabyte]

Good to see that it's all coming back together and probably stronger for it.

[busterone]

This is encouraging news.

[Nick Whetstone]

The Cust. team is expanding, too:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?action=profile;u=126412

[TurtleKicker]

I feel it's worth noting that, had things not been resolved or improved, I doubt that multiple people would have come back.

Well, they were accused of "mob mentality" for leaving en masse. If one was to then believe the critics, that same "mob mentality" could explain them all joining again.

Less-cynical version: people have a tendency of following the group.

Will us lowly site admins, still struggling to decide whether the SMF project is worthy of our continued support and use, find out what things were resolved/improved, and how? Since we have a stake in this, and it's critical to what we do to know whether SMF is still a liability or software with a promising future.

"Those who ignore the past are condemned to repeat it."

[Nick Whetstone]

Will us lowly site admins

Not sure when you were called that? In fact, the main reason the SMF team exists, and the reason I've spent hundreds (maybe thousands?) of hours on SMF-related stuff, is to benefit the end user, so I'm not sure why you'd ever be called "lowly"...

<snipped>find out what things were resolved/improved, and how?

You will, and it'll be when the things are able to be finished and (therefore) announced.

[Norv]

There is no official statement yet. It will be posted when we can.

[mrtrc266]

Damn this is getting a lot of attention, this guy posted this on February 16, 2010 (almost 2 months ago) and it was his one of his last of only 75 posts (in 6 yrs). The topic "I do not think i will support this community any longer" doesn't really make any sense in the first place LOL

Guess he knew how to go out with a bang

[TurtleKicker]

There is no official statement yet. It will be posted when we can.

We were told the same thing about the "discussions"/"negotiations"... about 4 months ago.

[Nick Whetstone]

Sremick, both the Friends and Team have said in public that lots of progress has been made and is being made. Until things are set in stone, though, details released to the public would not do much good, since what is to come will require (and has required to get to this point) Team discussion, and no one knows for sure what the *exact* outcome of the discussion will be. If someone says "SituationA using Details1 is on its way!", but the discussion ends up bringing in SituationA using Details2 instead, it creates controversy and disappointment.

[Norv]

There is no official statement yet. It will be posted when we can.

We were told the same thing about the "discussions"/"negotiations"... about 4 months ago.

That's at most 3 months, actually.
However, you're right. There still isn't much to be posted. I'm sorry.
However, the community started to see some results. I realize they're not miracles, but some results. That's what they are. I would not tell you what to do, but I can tell I don't think it's fair to people working on this to simply dismiss them.
As you wish in the end, as far as your position about SMF is concerned.

When there will be news we can post, they surely will be posted.

[Antechinus]

I feel it's worth noting that, had things not been resolved or improved, I doubt that multiple people would have come back.

Well, they were accused of "mob mentality" for leaving en masse. If one was to then believe the critics, that same "mob mentality" could explain them all joining again.

Less-cynical version: people have a tendency of following the group.

I was the first one back in. Guess that makes me a trend setter.   
My take on it, all joking aside, is that the others made their own decisions but for much the same reasons I did. We were mostly looking for similar things. I just happened to be first due to a couple of factors.

Will us lowly site admins, still struggling to decide whether the SMF project is worthy of our continued support and use, find out what things were resolved/improved, and how? Since we have a stake in this, and it's critical to what we do to know whether SMF is still a liability or software with a promising future.

If I didn't think it had a future I wouldn't be putting time and effort into it.

"Those who ignore the past are condemned to repeat it."

Entirely agree with that, which is why I left initially. Basically I'm back because it is looking like we wont be condemned to repeat it.

[kat]

Well, they were accused of "mob mentality" for leaving en masse.

Something was done, which I won't bother to go into, again, here.


The way it was done was crass. No other word for it.


A lot of people saw red, myself included.


The straw broke the came's back and that was that.


Bridges have been built and, with any luck and a following wind, all will be good.

[Kindred]

wow... way to mix your cliches and metaphors...

[TurtleKicker]

Something was done, which I won't bother to go into, again, here.


The way it was done was crass. No other word for it.


A lot of people saw red, myself included.


The straw broke the came's back and that was that.


Bridges have been built and, with any luck and a following wind, all will be good.

Well I know the history... I'm just trying to emphasize the point that lots of other people, who aren't the ones privy to details about the "bridges" that "have been built", also know the history and details as to what originally happened. Those people would like something more than "trust us" as a reason to feel confident that the whole thing isn't just going to bubble over again later on down the line. The trust was broken when those in-charge demonstrated they couldn't be trusted.

Most of us probably know a couple who broke up for specific reasons, then after some time apart decided to get back together, only to later break up again because the original reasons they broke up were never addressed. Perhaps the cycle repeated many times. Us site admins don't want to go through that here.

If the details will be forthcoming, then fine... but it's important to re-emphasize that this needs to not be just yet another empty promise like so many other vaporware promises we've received. You don't need to just rebuild bridges to your core team, but you need to also rebuild them with those site admins using SMF who were caught in the crossfire and are now justifiably wary of continuing to use an uncertain product with a toxic and unreliable development team.

And for the details to be believable, they need to be honest and frank, treating us like informed people who aren't gullible idiots... not the PR BS that was dished out during the big explosion earlier this year. Everyone saw right through that and if that's all we get this time around, it'll only make things worse. That's what worries me about the delay of the details: the longer they're delayed, the more it's obvious that the wording is being massaged and manipulated into more of a substanceless PR statement, and less of the open and blunt statement that is direly needed. The "truth" doesn't need time to be "worked"... it can be as clear in its current form to us users of SMF as it was to convince team members to return.

[kat]

wow... way to mix your cliches and metaphors...

I ate a thesaurus, for breakfast.