New SMF Interface - Next Generation?

Started by MySQASI, March 12, 2007, 01:46:07 AM

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MySQASI

March 12, 2007, 01:46:07 AM
Hi all...
i've using smf since 1.1rc2 for my forum... this is the most perfect bulletin board software i've ever seen (the free one). well, the technical support is good, supporting on MOD & Themes also great.

but, there is only 1 thing tah never change since year ago... the interface... well, i wonder that SMF team might want to re-desing the interface for the default themes to be more interesting and beauty rather than current interface.

i hope upcoming version will include new gfx interface.

thanks...

Dannii

#1
March 12, 2007, 04:15:25 AM
Good themes take a lot of time to develop, and the familiarity you gain by using a good default theme would be lost if we constantly changed it. You can always install new themes yourself of course.
But hey, you never know ;)
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Defiant

#2
March 12, 2007, 11:32:28 AM
We have had a member of the team here admit the indexing problem may be down to the default theme so although I agree it shouldn't constantly be changed it would be an idea for this one to be

JayBachatero

#3
March 12, 2007, 12:31:40 PM
Quote from: Defiant on March 12, 2007, 11:32:28 AM
We have had a member of the team here admit the indexing problem may be down to the default theme so although I agree it shouldn't constantly be changed it would be an idea for this one to be
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Defiant

#4
March 12, 2007, 01:04:16 PM
QuoteWell the default theme is very unsemantical, so compared to a semantical theme it would suffer

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=127715.120

QuoteIts widely known that the current default theme has no semantical meaning. It would probably help quite a bit if it was. Then the spiders could use the page structure to find new pages, and they would understand the content more too.

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=127715.45

Tim

#5
March 12, 2007, 02:53:38 PM
Last I heard and saw, I wouldn't hold your breath...

Not if you're looking for a decently coded, semantical lay-out at least. That will no doubt always remain one of the weaknesses of SMF.

So it's up to someone from the outside to make something I guess...

Defiant

#6
March 12, 2007, 07:00:44 PM
Not being funny or anything but that doesn't sound good!

Grudge

#7
March 12, 2007, 07:29:44 PM
Defiant,

That is not our intention with the next version of SMF - we are actively working to make SMF more semantic although I'm sure you'll appreciate that it's quite a mammoth task attacking the amount of templates within SMF. Currently we are attempting to rationalise the number of templates within SMF (Unifying the look and reducing duplication), break as much javascript as possible out of the templates and tidy up language indexes - once this is complete we will work through the templates.

Rest assured the team here knows the HTML for SMF is out of date (Lots of it still harping back to YaBB) and we will be doing something about this.

Grudge
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MySQASI

#8
March 12, 2007, 08:29:49 PM
well, i really appreciate waht all you guys doing in development of SMF... yes, of course the interface is not too important (but it might be used for promotional of SMF right)... well, perhaps that there are still have a room for the development team to develope new layout for SMF.

of course, i can choose the best of themes from the huge collection of themes here, but 3rd party themes is not supported by most of MOD... that the main problem... on my board, i used almost 9 MOD and all work fine in default themes. but when i install 3rd party themes, there is very large modification (manually) need to be done and sometimes the error goes out...

that y i wonder that development team of SMF will considure about new interface and layout of next version of SMF... for all happiness...

Anyway, Thanks a lot guys. You do a great job!...

Tim

#9
March 13, 2007, 04:03:36 AM Last Edit: March 13, 2007, 04:05:08 AM by Tim
Grudge, while I appreciate the efforts put in. Last I heard and saw, it fell a long way short of being good, decent code and from what I know from my stint, I don't see how that will change.

With due respect:

<strong><a href="Url">A link</a></strong>

isn't exactly:
- Semantical
- Correct use of the html tags

It requires more then just saying, we plan to change it. It requires a new way of thinking about it, and with due respect to the people in charge of creating it, they don't have that mindset. I think the little piece of code above shows that...

Ensiferous

#10
March 13, 2007, 04:52:43 AM
If you're doing a template redesign then for the love of God; please do add rel="nofollow" to the generic pages, I honestly don't need my memberlist indexed by google. I'd say anything but the actual posts should be rel="nofollowed" also the links to individual messages to avoid duplicate content.
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Dannii

#11
March 13, 2007, 05:01:49 AM
rel="nofollow" doesn't stop something from being indexed.
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Ensiferous

#12
March 13, 2007, 06:02:07 AM
Indirectly it does, any important search engine spider won't follow a link with rel="nofollow" thus preventing the page from being indexed unless linked to elsewhere, you could of course just provide a default robot.txt file for people to use.

read here and here to see why having EVERYTHING indexed is just plain stupid.
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Tim

#13
March 13, 2007, 06:11:49 AM
nofollow still indexes the pages but doesn't give them any weight, ie, your site isn't associated with the page the link is pointing to.

Ensiferous

#14
March 13, 2007, 06:32:41 AM
My point still stands though, only a default robot.txt page would be needed, or a meta tag should be set if a page is determined to be duplicate of something else such as single post pages, latest posts etc.
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Dannii

#15
March 13, 2007, 06:34:41 AM
There already is a meta tag on duplicate pages, but a good robots.txt file should be used too.
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Ensiferous

#16
March 13, 2007, 06:51:35 AM
Oh, I never noticed the meta tag was applied, so that's excellent, only a few pages are missing such as action=recent. Even if that page managed to rank in a search engine the content would have changed long before the user even got to click the result. :)
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Jacen

#17
March 13, 2007, 09:38:54 AM
Personally, I think SMF's default theme is the best out there. Even commerical software can't compare.

But if your unhappy with it... Bloc and others have designed some amazing themes on the theme site (I recommend Helios or however it's spelt)
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#18
March 13, 2007, 09:54:39 AM
That's great, but we're talking about the HTML and CSS behind it and not how it looks ;)

Gary

#19
March 13, 2007, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: sqasi on March 12, 2007, 08:29:49 PM
of course, i can choose the best of themes from the huge collection of themes here, but 3rd party themes is not supported by most of MOD... that the main problem... on my board, i used almost 9 MOD and all work fine in default themes. but when i install 3rd party themes, there is very large modification (manually) need to be done and sometimes the error goes out...

This is something that the next version of SMF (DE) will at least attempt to do, it will try to install the mod on custom themes (if you request it to do so) as well as the default, but on some of them, there are bound to be failures which will need to be installed manually.

Still, it'll reduce the amount of work you'll need to do. ;)

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