Joomla + SMF!!! Joomla as index???

[Frona]

Hi
I'm gonna to merge SMF and Joomla (not bridging!) => puting joomla files & folders into root of the host AND SMF files & folders too. before merging, I'll remove/rename "index.php" file of SMF. So, when users type my site address into the address-bar, browser will open index.php of joomla. that's OK. but:

My Problem: index.php is my problem! for merging phpBB+Jommla, I removed index.php of phpBB [nofollow] and it's working very well. I've tested this way for wordpress+MyBB on local-host => It works very well too. (MyBB & Wordpress do not have any same file/folder). But for SMF, every link redirects to index.php and then up! how can I escape from index.php of SMF.

Description:
Indeed, I'd like to use a designed joomla index.php instead of repetitive old index.php of SMF. For example, by phpBB+Jommla, I' changed the index.php of phpBB to abc.php and merged their folders. (transfering merged files & folders to root of host). then, I installed phpBB, using this link:

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www.***.com/abc.php
and I installed joomla too, using:

www.***.com

I created my forum by phpBB and I could see the output of forum by:

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http://***.com/abc.php
then I designd an index on joomla using picked up links of subforums and categories made on phpBB from that address(.../abc.php). at the end, I removed abc.php file and every thing is ok. Now, when I type www.***.com, my designed index page(based on joomla) opens and I can use it for going to places of forum(=subforums). But with SMF, it is not possible! index.php of SMF can't be removed , what should I do?

May you say why not using a new folder into host?
if I put joomla into root of host and SMF into a folder named "forum", So, the address of joomla will be: http://www.***.com [nofollow] AND the address of SMF will be http://www.***.com/forum [nofollow] => this is a bad address!
In fact, I don't need to joomla for founding a site and then founding a forum side by side it based on SMF into /public_html/forum/
I'm going to found a forum just. but I don't like old index of SMF.

[Kindred]

that is correct. You can no remove SMF's index.php.


Why do you even need joomla?  Why not just use one of the smf portal mods?

[Frona]

that is correct. You can no remove SMF's index.php.

no trick?

Why do you even need joomla?  Why not just use one of the smf portal mods?

jomla is more powerful than portal mods. joomla allows me for unlimited pages and it's flexible for designing a special index!
I'm keen on merging SMF + Joomla. please help.

[Adrek]

how can escape from index.php of smf.

I think that you can rename this file to (example) forum.php with this: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=58439.0

[Kindred]

BTW: I disagree with your statement that Joomla is more powerful than the portal mods...

Using mods, I have
Articles system that users can submit, editors can review and approve and users can read
multiple pages that can be designed and added to a menu
Staff list page with contact info
media gallery system
blogging system for certain users to post project updates
facebook linked accounts
Affiliates and links pages
Trader count/quality/reviews by other users
ebay like auctions


so... what system does Joomla have that I have not replicated using internal mods to SMF?

[Frona]

BTW: I disagree with your statement that Joomla is more powerful than the portal mods...
Using mods, I have Articles system that users can submit

I'll use Jfusion.org [nofollow] for integrating Joomla & SMF, so users will be able to leave comments under pages.
I'm gonna to use a wiki system as article system, it's more professional & more official.

so... what system does Joomla have that I have not replicated using internal mods to SMF?

you're right, but, the ability for designing wonderful index page using Joomla is uper than anything else, isn't it?

AND, may I see your forum? (do you allow me, the link of your site? plz  )

I think that you can rename this file to (example) forum.php with this: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=58439.0

That's great! Now I can merge Joomla + SMF on one domain.
But:
1. indeed, I wanna to ban my user to access to the index of SMF. it means: I'm willing to redirect users to the index of Joomla when they click on Home(see attached pic).
2. If I change index.php of SMF to (e.g.) abc.php, there is a real problem: the address of thread will be in this form:

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http://www.***.com/abc.php?topic=466879.0
So, users will find out the address of index of SMF that is:

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http://www.***.com/abc.php
I want to ban users access/find the index of SMF => I'd like introduce subdomains to users. subdomains will set on subforums made on SMF => users should access to the subforum by the subdomain related to that subdorum!


Ex: index page of my forum:

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http://www.***.com/abc.php
I have three subforums:

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http://www.***.com/abc.php?board=1.0
http://www.***.com/abc.php?board=2.0
http://www.***.com/abc.php?board=3.0
I'll set this subdomains on them:

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www.politics.***.com
www.philosophy.***.com
www.history.***.com
each forum has completely a different subject. I'm willing to users use this subdomain for accessing to the right subforum, not using index of SMF.

[Kindred]

I am fairly certain that your subdomain scheme won't work without some major modification.

No, I don't think that a wiki is "more professional" than an article system, since articles and wikis are two different things.
Btw, I am using an SMF wiki mod on one of my other sites.

SMF with portal- http://www.40konline.com/community
SMF with wiki- http://los.turtleshellprod.com

40konline used to use a bridged joomla-gallery2-SMF integration...   Then mambo, after the license debacle...   The we killed all the external stuff and went with mods.

[Frona]

I am fairly certain that your subdomain scheme won't work without some major modification.

??
Can't I set subdomain on subforums? It's a weak point of SMF In phpBB/MyBB it's really comfortable!

SMF with portal- http://www.40konline.com/community [nofollow]
40konline used to use a bridged joomla-gallery2-SMF integration

your Portal Address: http://www.40konline.com/community [nofollow]
Your forum address: http://www.40konline.com/community/index.php?action=forum [nofollow] => this is a horrible address!
In my way, introduced above, the thing you call it portall and forum have the same address. And here you have a portal and a forum separated, but I don't like this form! I'm willing for the same address for portal and subforums. Indeed I don't need to portal. I'd like to chng index of SMF to a new form by joomla or any system else!
Ex: in merging form, there is not any different address=>
Joomla will open by:

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www.***.com or www.***.com/index.php

A page made on joomla will have the address of:

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www.***.com/index.php/articles/how-to-write-an-email

A thread inside forum will open by

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www.***.com/index.php?topic=466879.0
(if I solve the index.php problem into SMF as I do into phpBB system)

the license debacle

??

I think that you can rename this file to (example) forum.php with this: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=58439.0

It dosen't work

[Kindred]

Why is that a bad URL? .

If I cared about the urls, I could use some sort of pretty URL mod, but I don't... And search engines don't care either... And my posts have the same URL that yours will have. Action=forum is only for the board index page...

And no... As far as I know, you can not do that subdomain thing without some major modification.

[Kindred]

right....

so, as I said... if I cared, I can run the SimpleSEF mod - which is quite configurable and quite powerful

http://test.turtleshellprod.com/

This test system has over 100 mods currently installed (it's a test site... it is regularly reset to a factory install and cleared out)

I don't think there is a single joomla action that can't be replicated, at this point.
Main site: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/
Forum: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/forum/
FAQ: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/faq/
WIKI: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/wiki/page.Main_Page/
Affiliates: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/affiliates/
User Control Panel: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/usercp/
User Profile: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/profile/user_1/area.account/
About Us Page: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/about/
Personal Messages: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/pm/
Quiz Page: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/SMFQuiz/
Calendar: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/calendar/
Media gallery: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/media/
Links List: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/links/
Shop: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/shop/
contact form: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/contact/
knowledge base: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/kb/
memberlist: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/mlist/
glossary: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/glossary/
Auctions: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/smfbay/sa.home/

[david090366]

I seldom post here but I'm going to weigh in on this one from personal experience. For several years I ran a joomla+SMF+elgg sight using Jfusion in frameless mode as the bridge.

It confused users. There was absolutely no easy way to completely integrate the menu structures. So when you arrived at each integrated script's "page" there were two menus. The one for joomla and the one for the script.

If you want your users to be able to post articles they have to learn both editors, the joomla one you have selected and SMF's, which usually deters them.

I was constantly having to reset passwords for users because, even though I had posted several times for them not to, they would change account details in the forum area and they wouldn't change in joomla. Which is where the login was enabled. So they wouldn't be able to login through the whole system.

Unless you want to spend a lot of time pouring over CSS the visual integration will be lackluster at best. The forum will look different than the joomla install. If you use the frameless mode to try to overcome this and embed the forum in joomla it will use more server resources and slow your site down as well as run the risk of css conflicts between the two scripts.

The Joomla team is changing joomla so quickly now that the mod authors can't keep up. Many of the good, free, extensions in their extension library, last time I looked, weren't compatible with the latest versions of joomla


When SMF 2.0 final came out I ditched this whole complicated set up. Got an articles mod, links  mod, and social mods as well as a portal system, and believe me I am a much happier admin as a result. There is a lot to be said for simplicity.

[Frona]

http://test.turtleshellprod.com/ [nofollow]
This test system has over 100 mods currently installed (it's a test site... it is regularly reset to a factory install and cleared out)
I don't think there is a single joomla action that can't be replicated, at this point.
Main site: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/ [nofollow]
Forum: http://test.turtleshellprod.com/forum/ [nofollow]
...

Great, fabulous mods!

so, as I said... if I cared, I can run the SimpleSEF mod - which is quite configurable and quite powerful

for example you can change ( http://www.40konline.com/community/index.php?action=forum [nofollow] ) to ( http://www.40konline.com/community/forum [nofollow] ), yes?
this is not my problem! the difference between portal address and forum address is my problem! the index of forum isn't applied & usefull! do you know why? the index is a place for choosing right forum, a place for going to UserCP, a place for watching online users and so on, No more. this is really a died style and so classic. I'm willing for possessing all table of index of forum and all portal facilities on one domain, on one page. for example adding table of index to portal will solve my problem. I want to ban my user to access to index of forum(index.php). my reason is: completely different subjects is using on my forum. I'm going to design an index page by Joomla(or portal mod as you said) to introduce just the subforums links to my user (and I'll edit the subforums link by the mod you introduced; thanks). How can I escape from index.php?

If you want your users to be able to post articles they have to learn both editors, the joomla one you have selected and SMF's, which usually deters them.

todays, whit WYSIWYG editors, this is not a big problem! the appearance of all wysiwyg editors approximately is the same, whether using bb cods or html cods.

I was constantly having to reset passwords for users because, even though I had posted several times for them not to, they would change account details in the forum area and they wouldn't change in joomla. Which is where the login was enabled. So they wouldn't be able to login through the whole system.

So bad, you disappointed me about Jfusion.org [nofollow]
Therefore I DON'T use the Jfusion for integration, but yet I'm willing to use joomla as index and (or portal mod by redesigning and adding forum table to it)

The Joomla team is changing joomla so quickly now that the mod authors can't keep up. Many of the good, free, extensions in their extension library, last time I looked, weren't compatible with the latest versions of joomla

Got an articles mod, links  mod, and social mods as well as a portal system, and believe me I am a much happier admin as a result. There is a lot to be said for simplicity.

Maybe, I follow you & Kindred. (but how about the same address? how about hiding index of forum from users?)
Can you me "social mod" link?

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If you can help me for renaming index.php or removing it, please follow this link: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=58439.20

[Kindred]

Again... I fail to see your need to "hide the index"...

but, if you saw the links that were generated with the Simpel SEF mod (currently turned off) on my test site, you will notice that index.php is not mentioned anywhere.
(However, I don't think that a forum with mods like that, especially with simpelSEF would run as a component to Joomla)

Finally... My site has proven that anything you can do in Joomla, I can do in SMF without Joomla.