SMF 2.1.4 has been released! Take it for a spin! Read more.
Started by Arantor, November 26, 2013, 08:45:13 PM
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 26, 2013, 08:45:13 PMAs ever, those who are trying it out, please do report issues on Github rather than here.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 27, 2013, 12:50:27 AMI'll happily drink beer, but I enjoy rum more
QuoteOver 90% of all computer problems can be traced back to the interface between the keyboard and the chair
Quote from: lurkalot on November 27, 2013, 03:27:39 AMJust reported a problem. Though not sure if I posted in the right place, never used git before.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 27, 2013, 11:17:28 AMQuote from: lurkalot on November 27, 2013, 03:27:39 AMJust reported a problem. Though not sure if I posted in the right place, never used git before. You did it just great and now the installer should be fixed
Quote from: meetdilip on November 28, 2013, 07:29:27 PMI really love the new board icons.
QuoteAll tables would have to be replaced with div's or lists, but can retain it's current appearance. Then again, this is supporting only IE9+...
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 29, 2013, 02:37:32 PMTelling us what you don't like isn't helpful. Telling us *why* you don't like it would be infinitely more useful because "I don't like that" doesn't tell us what should be improved.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 29, 2013, 02:37:32 PMWhich menus don't you like? There are multiple things that come under the definition of 'menus'. What don't you like about them? What, in your opinion, should be done to improve them? (No, removing them doesn't count.)
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 29, 2013, 02:37:32 PMThe sidebar went for multiple reasons, as previously explained and I'm absolutely happy with the fact they went - because we made sure there were alternatives of navigation.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 29, 2013, 02:37:32 PMThe admin page revamp... more people like it than don't, and I'm happy with that. You can always change it if you don't like it, but again what would you put there instead?
Quote from: Xarcell on November 29, 2013, 12:48:52 PM2.| Admin Homepage Makeover: why have an additional navigation on the admin homepage? There should be reports, charts, and graphs to summarize use of site, and stats; such as: most online today, new users, total members, total page view count, Total likes count, total post count, total bans, total warnings, total categories, total boards, total child boards, total subscriptions, total "report to moderator, total males, total females, total members in various post groups, so on and so forth(helps with website administration & marketing). Charts & graphs could illustrate today compared to month, compared to year, compared to previous year. Or basically, the admin homepage should be a summarization of reports, while the reports page calls for full printable reports.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 29, 2013, 02:37:32 PMThe theme 'looks a decade old'... no it doesn't. That wasn't the style a decade ago (I remember it well) But remember that we have to keep the default theme relatively bland (to a point) as a canvas for being built upon.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 29, 2013, 02:37:32 PMI've seen other forum platforms that do this and I find it largely useless - if I want it, I'll look it up. XenForo doesn't do it (has a few stats but nothing particularly useful), IPB does it and I find it just distracts me from getting to do what I need to do.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 29, 2013, 02:37:32 PMThere are two problems here. One is that we need to continue supporting IE8, and the other more important one is that there are quite a few things that are actually tabular data that shouldn't be changed. The various logs, amongst other things.
QuoteMenu's should expand down, not have a dropdown hover effect.
QuoteOther than the "security reason", I see no reason why it should have been removed. However, I know bringing this up isn't even really debatable, so no use in discussing it. I was merely mentioning it was preferred.
QuoteSaying 10 years might be an exaggeration, but in truth maybe a 7 year old design. I know this because I was designing themes that looked better than this 7 years ago.
QuoteI don't think it's fair to knock it because YOU find it useless when countless others would. However, what is fair is not having the time or desire to code it. Which is fine by me...
QuoteMaybe I should have said it differently. Table HTML needs to be replaced with div's and lists, and Table CSS should be applied. No tabular loss here. In other words, make use of: display:table, display:table-row, and display:table-cell. Tables are not responsive. Maybe adaptive, but in no way responsive. You cannot hope to have a responsive theme and still support vast tables.
QuoteAnother thing is, responsive design it is possible for IE8 with the use of respond.js. However, I was merely mentioning it could be done for IE9+ as it is without the JS. It's also possible without even the JS, but would require more work than I care to do. I reckon it would be best to leave this to someone who is more qualified.
QuoteI know offering suggestions at this point is really futile, because SMF is so far behind in development that the developers will be busy for quite awhile.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 29, 2013, 04:11:32 PMAnd that sort of "encouragement" is also really futile. No-one is denying that we're behind, and we're working hard to try and catch up - but it's not easy when we're already having trouble making the time for it around our other commitments, and anyone who contributes is going to help that along. Sitting on the side just suggesting things is great - it helps us figure out how to improve it, and in what direction.But in absence of people actually contributing, the dev team has to pick a path and run with it. I'm sorry that we can't build your perfect forum software. But we have to build what we believe is the best base package for people to play with, and that means accepting we're going to upset people. I am well aware that there are people unhappy with the changes I have made in 2.1, but I believe more people will be happy than will be made unhappy with it; to me this represents an improvement. I just have to upset the least number of people.
Quote from: K@ on November 29, 2013, 04:01:42 PMA lot of these things are "Personal opinions" things, though, Xarcell, don't you think?
Quote from: K@ on November 29, 2013, 04:01:42 PMWhat's good for some, will be pants, for someone else.
Quote from: K@ on November 29, 2013, 04:01:42 PMAlso, it's often a case of simply preferring something done, in a certain way, simply because you're used to it, innit?
Quote from: K@ on November 29, 2013, 04:01:42 PMThere's no pleasing everyone and, sadly, some people can't be pleased, whatever you do.
QuoteWhere I see ideas for improvement, I can't help myself to keep my mouth shut. Call it a flaw, or call it a gift, I don't care.As far as contributing to code or design, I can't really contribute can I? It's been made quite clear that what I would like to do with SMF, is unwanted and that's ok. I see your reasoning. So where does that leave us?
QuoteFor the record, I have more HAPPY with the changes than I am UNHAPPY and I'm not saying anyone implied otherwise. I just want to be clear on it. So the first person that says Xarcell is completely unhappy with the changes with 2.1, will get a swift kick in the butt. or I'll mail you a rotten donut.
QuoteNot always. Half the time it is based on logic, statistics, marketing research, and trail & error. If it hasn't been done on a forum before, yet it is suggested, how can it be implied it is a preferred way of doing things?
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 29, 2013, 09:58:11 AMIt's not assigned to a user as such. It's assigned to the thing that has been liked, e.g. 'msg 1, liked by user 2 at timestamp 1234567890'This means it is portable to other things (since the 'msg' part is not set in stone and can be any identifier) and doesn't get into the realms of 'we have to update a ton of values if a user disappears' or 'we have to update a ton of values if a post is reattributed'
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 29, 2013, 04:47:52 PMUltimately what it comes down to is if someone wants me to build it, I need to be convinced of the benefit to invest my time in doing it. If someone else builds it, I'm *immediately* more receptive to it because the biggest timesink is not my problem.
Quote from: ChalkCat on December 01, 2013, 09:28:07 AMYou have to make your own Settings_bak.php by creating a copy of Settings.php and renaming it
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on December 01, 2013, 11:00:21 AM2.0 has never been on GitHub as for 2.1 nothing has changed with regard to Settings_bak.php lately.
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on December 01, 2013, 11:29:03 AMI didn't create one when I installed from GitHub a few days ago...
Quote from: Illori on December 01, 2013, 12:47:17 PMwell when i copied emanuele's how to on installing 2.1 from github he said to create the settings_bak.php file...http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Contributing_to_SMF#Missing_files
Quote from: Arantor Beeblebrox the First on November 26, 2013, 08:45:13 PM* Swanky new dropdown menu for profile and PMs. See attached pictures for more. Because we added these swanky menus, the profile and PMs menus are no longer in the main menu - they don't really need to be, either. So the menu is now more compact and more focused on the site (with the 'me stuff' out of the way at the top of the page)