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Re: Do you really NEED that feature / mod?
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2021, 06:57:19 PM »
So, I both agree and disagree....

I agree that the absolute, "There and *NO* technical solutions to behavioral problems" is shorthand and, as an absolute is not correct.

However, it's not a myth. It is accurate (without the absolute)

It would be better phrased as "Attempting to use technical solutions to solve behavioral problems is doomed to failure in 90% of the cases"
Can you give us real examples where this apply in 90% of the cases "Attempting to use technical solutions to solve behavioral problems is doomed to failure in 90% of the cases"? And why and what technical solutions failed?

Is this considered as technical solution? My solution worked 100% instantly, and it is supposed to work 99% of time.
https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=575212.0

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Re: Do you really NEED that feature / mod?
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2021, 03:51:23 AM »
It would be better phrased as "Attempting to use technical solutions to solve behavioral problems is doomed to failure in 90% of the cases".

Yeah... "no" is a bit too radical as well IMO... this is more appropriate ;).
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Re: Do you really NEED that feature / mod?
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2021, 03:55:16 AM »
Is this considered as technical solution? My solution worked 100% instantly, and it is supposed to work 99% of time.
https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=575212.0

Just commenting on the registration questions part, the thing you expanded on with a10's method (really cool BTW ;)), but that's basically a technical solution for a technical problem... the point is to keep bots away from your forum, which it will, but bots are not people, they're programs/scripts running from somewhere, so... they're technical in nature ;). They just want to appear like they're human ;).
"This is really a generic concept about human thinking - when faced with large tasks we're naturally inclined to try to break them down into a bunch of smaller tasks that together make up the whole."

"A 500 error loosely translates to the webserver saying, "WTF?"..."

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Re: Do you really NEED that feature / mod?
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2021, 06:48:36 PM »
No need to get so worked up about it, and rather diverges from my original post I think.

But whatever floats your boat.
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Re: Do you really NEED that feature / mod?
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2021, 08:34:59 PM »
Is this considered as technical solution? My solution worked 100% instantly, and it is supposed to work 99% of time.
https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=575212.0

Just commenting on the registration questions part, the thing you expanded on with a10's method (really cool BTW ;)), but that's basically a technical solution for a technical problem... the point is to keep bots away from your forum, which it will, but bots are not people, they're programs/scripts running from somewhere, so... they're technical in nature ;). They just want to appear like they're human ;).
You misunderstood my point and my post. Expanded a10's method got more futuristic purpose, and it cover almost every possible case with real humans and if used wisely it is going to work in 100% situations. This link from my previous post is case human to human problem and it can not and must not be taken as a technical problem, but human behavior problem, and with technical solution and small effort it can be solved in short period of time.
It was 2.0 support topic and first hand results:

Not really much you can do...
Can be a war of exhaustion. I'd start with assigning new registrations to a membergroup and use "hide posts until approved".

After I gave him detailed instructions how to set up entire system
I'm very pleased with the results of your advice. 

Thank you

Result: Forum improvement happened instantly, admin took full control in his hands before user was totally without control (and user was out of control).

This is result of years of fighting with people in extreme forum environment or around the internet, understanding their needs and motivation. It is supposed to work 99% of time if admin is smart enough to follow my ideas, and not to do the things on his own. And telling someone "there is nothing you can do" means only for forum owner that he can shut down his site. In this concrete situation it was so easy to solve the problem. Now these kind of problems can vary from situation to situation and sometimes it require different approach.

No need to get so worked up about it, and rather diverges from my original post I think.

But whatever floats your boat.
Its about part from your 1st post in this topic and how people should change their point of view before its too late. I truly hope my posts will help to someone who is willing not to do usual mistakes. I can find and give more examples where technical solution solved human to human problem, but that is not the point here, all this is about ability to create entire picture and to predict and to stop unwanted incoming or existing events.

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Re: Do you really NEED that feature / mod?
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2021, 12:01:17 AM »
No. Dealing with bots and spammersis not a social issue its always been a technical issue. Therefore your example is not indicative that my statement is flawed in any way
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Re: Do you really NEED that feature / mod?
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2021, 06:57:16 AM »
No. Dealing with bots and spammersis not a social issue its always been a technical issue. Therefore your example is not indicative that my statement is flawed in any way

Well... not completely, but let's say this part for example.

- Remove him chat privileges if you have shoutbox or similar, note now when he is under moderation you will still see it but he won't know what's going on. Try not to go with insta deletion unless if you must to do it.

- Now going with bans is not an option anymore, your job is to give him back his PRIMARY account, why - because his powers are there. Remove his avatar and set his Post count to 1, let him be powerless, he won't be able to send private messages and he will post but he will not be sure what's going on.

This is actually a technical solution to a social problem... well, it's not automated, if you're referring to that, but it uses technical tools to "solve" (sort of) a social problem ;).

And it's pretty good advice for just about any problematic user scenario ;).
"This is really a generic concept about human thinking - when faced with large tasks we're naturally inclined to try to break them down into a bunch of smaller tasks that together make up the whole."

"A 500 error loosely translates to the webserver saying, "WTF?"..."