Take out move/glow/shadow?

[[Unknown]]

Shadow and glow work only in Internet Explorer, and are very "anti-cross-browser".  I have stated many times that I would like to remove them.

Move, on the other hand, is supported in most browsers - but does not validate.  Personally, I hate it when people use any of the three, most of all move, because they are blimey annoying.

But what do you guys think?

-[Unknown]

[Chris Cromer]

I say remove all 3... and set whoever says keep any of them on fire!

[Rpg Cyco]

I agree! Remove them all. One of my members uses glow at the bottom of every one of his posts. I'm lucky I use Firefox.

l8ter

Rpg Cyco

[Amacythe]

Can't you just make it an option in your personal profile to view them or not, and allow users to POST however they want?  IRC allows you to strip code... why not SMF?

[Anguz]

nah, keep them all and add a [blink] tag!   lol

I vote for removing them all

[Curbow 5]

out they go!

[Peter Duggan]

Since something I said might have influenced [Unknown]'s decision to broach this subject now, I thought I might chip in here:

The <marquee> tag ('move') is quite simply incompatible with the 'Valid XHTML 1.0!' links, so one or the other has to go. While I didn't actually mention the 'glow' and 'shadow' tags myself because I knew they'd wriggle through the validator, I've never seen a post that's been *enhanced* by either, so I say ditch all three!

[Owdy]

delete all

[Acf]

i was planning to delete them al my self just like i did on yse board...
DELETE them make them mods!

[bostasp]

Remove all three. I find no use for them, and find that only new users use them, if anyone at all.

[Oldiesmann]

If you don't like them, just go into subs.php and delete them. That will fix the problem real fast

[Killer Possum]

I don't mind the glow and shadow tag as much as the move tage.... I hate the move tag

[Chris Cromer]

I normally don't mind glow... but some people decide to put their entire posts in the glow tags. That is why I hate it.

[Killer Possum]

I guess it does get annoying when that happens

[Peter Duggan]

If you don't like them, just go into subs.php and delete them. That will fix the problem real fast

So how about also removing the 'Valid XHTML 1.0!' link and telling folk how to put it back when they've deleted the <marquee> function from their own boards?

[ECCShaman]

Move is a useful addition that adds to the function of the news box. I have had ZERO complaints about this function from my users. What I have had, is many compliments from my users about the move function and what it has done to enhance the site.

Glow and shadow on the other hand are two functions that could easily be removed, and I suspect that not many would miss those functions.

To start stripping down and removing SMF functions from the entire program itself, just because some of the crowd doesn't like like them, doesn't mean that everyone wants them removed. Some people are looking at SMF for the functions that set it apart from other BB software programs, and removing those functions where no one can have them, is a little like taking away the functions that make a Ferrari, a Ferrari. If you want to do anything, set it up the removal as a permission in the Admin section. That would be the wise and smart thing to do. Take the chrome and perks away from everyone, after you have already given them the ability to have those things, is in my estimation the wrong way to do things. Again, and this is a position I strongly encourage: allow a admin user / board developer the ability to turn off, or on, what they want and don't want in the way of those three functions, within the admin control panel.

Question: What the heck, I am just an admin end user and board developer, not an SMF developer - why should my input, or option ability count?

Answer: It should count because I am an admin end user that wants the ability to have options I can turn on, or off, at my discretion, and that is what should count the most. Take away those options, and you could very well take away a reason for wanting to use the SMF program; at least in some peoples eyes, and that in my estimation is looking at the bigger picture.

[Owdy]

*clipeticlip*

To start stripping down and removing SMF functions from the entire program itself, just because some of the crowd doesn't like like them, doesn't mean that everyone wants them removed.

*clipeticlip*

I think all functions should be cross browser functions. If not, make a mod

[Acf]

just because some of the crowd doesn't like like them, doesn't mean that everyone wants them removed.

thats why we hev mods and a poll

[Gobalopper]

Hmm well with almost a 2/3 majority saying they should be removed...

[ECCShaman]

just because some of the crowd doesn't like like them, doesn't mean that everyone wants them removed.

thats why we hev mods and a poll

That's why admin option abilities are created within programs... The purpose of a poll, in many instances, is to give justification to something, such as wanting to do something a specific individual or group of individuals (such as a peer group) wanted to do in the first place, and to solicit the support of their peers for approval to do what they wanted to do in the first place.

Admin options in a program are created to give an admin end user, who in most cases is not a developer or modification expert, the ability to easily have functions and tools they want at their disposal, without having to be an expert at scripting. That is the point I was, and am continuing to try and get across, but like I said, why should my opinion count? In the end, the peer group, is going to be the controlling factor in the decision that will be made, without regard for the vast majority of the admin end user's, many who have not yet had the opportunity to experience SMF, and that is a strong reason why the functions should be admin options within the admin control panel.

What is so wrong about those functions remaining an admin option that can be turned on or off within the admin control panel?

Personally, take away the move function, and you take away one of the strong points that guided me to moving from my last board software, to the SMF software. I know that I am 'not' in the SMF peer group and will probably be chastised for my statements (in effect challenging the peer group), but for whatever it is worth, I am an admin end using who wants easily administrable options, the ability to choose, and not had to do scripting mods. If those are points not worth the time to even consider, then why not just use the competitions ticky-tacky square box programs, and be "...just like the rest of the Joneses," who live in the same type of square box houses, in the same square box neighborhood's?

Completely stripping away the chrome and trim after you have already shown, and in many instances have already given it to the customer (the end user) to use, without changing the chrome and trim to an admin option that can be easily turned on or off within the admin section, in my humble opinion, is not the best of idea's, no matter how many times, or ways, one tries to justify the idea.

I know none of this is making me very popular with the "in" crowd around here; well, so be it, I am not the most popular guy around, but then again, I am not one of the "Joneses" either.