One month

[emanuele]

Bad attitudes deserve bad attitudes.  I'm NOT going to be intimidated in to NOT speaking my mind or asking questions ... by anyone.   There is a huge problem if people are AFRAID to ask questions ... no?

I'm not intimidated by your bad attitude, but I'm not going to deserve you a bad attitude.
If your answer is bad attitude the only thing you deserve is a warning (for a start).

[FrizzleFried]

@FrizzleFried  You are free to ask whatever you want, just as you are free to ask and/or complain I also have the right to express my anger from time to time (after all, this is a forum), is not towards you personally, you just happen to post on an unfortunately bad timing.

Again, thank you for your suggestions, now me and my chip will go back to work for you, you just need to sit there and look pretty or you can contribute: Mod Development is your choice

It's all good... water under the bridge... but before you judge me you may want to ask Nibogo if I've been any help at all...

I do what I can do.  If I was more skilled in programming I'd be able to do more.  As it stands I am a hack... and as such have a limited potential to help.

Perhaps my OP was worded too tensely... as I was under the impression there was a "team" actually reviewing these mods... (and since there is no I in TEAM you can't call it that with only one reviewer)... and worded my post accordingly.

[FrizzleFried]

Bad attitudes deserve bad attitudes.  I'm NOT going to be intimidated in to NOT speaking my mind or asking questions ... by anyone.   There is a huge problem if people are AFRAID to ask questions ... no?

I'm not intimidated by your bad attitude, but I'm not going to deserve you a bad attitude.
If your answer is bad attitude the only thing you deserve is a warning (for a start).

I think there is a communication issue going on here.  I was referring to Suki... not you.

[Arantor]

Thanks for the answers... though you can take your attitude and stuff it up your backside...

It's attitudes like yours that gave me and are giving people like Suki that 'chip' on our shoulders, and you wonder why we have problems when people start expecting anything to happen.

Remember: people like Suki (and me previously) are giving up their free time so you get to play with mods. Complaining about the apparent speed is not going to win you any friends.

Bad attitudes deserve bad attitudes.

And you got bad attitude in response to your own bad attitude.

I'm NOT going to be intimidated in to NOT speaking my mind or asking questions ... by anyone.   There is a huge problem if people are AFRAID to ask questions ... no?

There's asking questions and there's asking questions. Opening the conversation by basically whining about how slow things seem to be is not going to win you any hearts. It's implicitly judgemental about things.

Now, you've said you're interested in trying to review things, great - the best way to start is to get down and dirty learning PHP and then learning how SMF works. Do what we've done, then see how long it actually takes to do something like a mod review properly, and then - and ONLY then - will you be in a position to judge.

Just as you are not intimidated by our attitude, neither are we intimidated by any reaction you give to it. I used to worry about being nice to people, until I met too many people here with this sort of confrontational attitude, and I stopped caring, I just enjoyed saying *exactly* what I thought.

Perhaps my OP was worded too tensely... as I was under the impression there was a "team" actually reviewing these mods... (and since there is no I in TEAM you can't call it that with only one reviewer)... and worded my post accordingly.

Nope, you were sadly mistaken. Pretty much forever the Customisation Team is one or two people who review themes, one person reviewing mods and everyone else carrying the badge without a good reason.

I do what I can do.  If I was more skilled in programming I'd be able to do more.  As it stands I am a hack... and as such have a limited potential to help.

Or you could do exactly what we did and learned how to do it.

[emanuele]

Bad attitudes deserve bad attitudes.  I'm NOT going to be intimidated in to NOT speaking my mind or asking questions ... by anyone.   There is a huge problem if people are AFRAID to ask questions ... no?

I'm not intimidated by your bad attitude, but I'm not going to deserve you a bad attitude.
If your answer is bad attitude the only thing you deserve is a warning (for a start).

I think there is a communication issue going on here.  I was referring to Suki... not you.

I know.
BTW, let's go on.

[FrizzleFried]

Remember: people like Suki (and me previously) are giving up their free time so you get to play with mods. Complaining about the apparent speed is not going to win you any friends.

Here is were the break-down is.  My post wasn't a COMPLAINT per-say as it was an INQUIRY and an attempt to open dialog on how we can improve the "system".  At the time I posted it I didn't realize the "system" was "Suki" and "Suki" only... I was under the impression there was a "team" in place...

Now,  if simply inquiring about or making suggestions or soliciting ideas on how to IMPROVE the "system" constitutes me "complaining" ... well,  so be it.  But damnit,  you (any anyone else for that matter) that discourages DISCUSSION on the matter by way of labeling people who simply bring up the freakin' topic as "complainers" does a HUGE disservice to this project...

[FrizzleFried]

Or you could do exactly what we did and learned how to do it.

...and I am... but that doesn't happen over night.  March 2012 was the first time I'd touched code since BASIC on my Commodore 64...

[IchBin™]

If you'd like to help the process or improve it, feel free to start here:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=195.0

[FrizzleFried]

If you'd like to help the process or improve it, feel free to start here:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?board=195.0

Already been there... and have tested out and made a suggestion to Emanuelle RE: QUOTE TO TOPIC and will continue to do what I can...



My apologies to Suki as again,  I was under the impression there was a "team" involved...

[Arantor]

That is the amount of time since the last new modification was approved (that I can see... I can't be 100% sure because the system sometimes puts newer files down the list for some reason)...

That seems a little... long?

That is what you wrote. That's not an inquiry. An inquiry would be 'How long does it normally take?' - factual question, factual answer, no emotional loading or bias. It's a simple question.

But here, you're loading the entire question in a way that cannot possibly be answered positively. We're subconsciously wired to respond to that as if we're under attack.

Now,  if simply inquiring about or making suggestions or soliciting ideas on how to IMPROVE the "system" constitutes me "complaining"

Except that, with the exception of the later paragraph of your first post, all you've actually been doing is complaining about the attitude you've received because you've riled people up. Show me the suggestions outside your first post.

But damnit,  you (any anyone else for that matter) that discourages DISCUSSION on the matter by way of labeling people who simply bring up the freakin' topic as "complainers" does a HUGE disservice to this project...

I'm all for discussion. Discussion on how to improve something merits discussing its problems, what they are, how they can be fixed, not complaining about the problem, or the opinions of the people who have been fighting with this situation past and present.

I label people that complain about the situation as complainers, clue's in the title. I don't label people as complainers when they bring something valid to the table, preferably something that hasn't already been round the houses many times over and over again.


But now we're getting onto discussion and improvements, rather than circle-jerking around, which means this has had some meaning to it then!

[FrizzleFried]

That is the amount of time since the last new modification was approved (that I can see... I can't be 100% sure because the system sometimes puts newer files down the list for some reason)...

That seems a little... long?

That is what you wrote. That's not an inquiry.

Perhaps English isn't your first language?   Not sure.  See the question mark?  That would be an "inquiry" as in... "Is 1 month a little long between modifications?"  or "Does 1 month seem a little long between modifications?"

I supposed I need to recognize that English isn't the primary language for many here and try to word my posts accordingly?

BTW - A response such as "There's only one guy doing the reviewing so a month is well within a reasonable amount of time between mods being accepted." or something along those lines.   That response = this thread being only a couple responses long... but instead the drama queens came out full force.

[Arantor]

Oh, English is my first language, I do live in this little country called England, that's part of the United Kingdom. Just because a statement ends in a ? doesn't necessary make it an inquiry.

Consider the difference between:
'Is one month a little long between modifications?'

and
'How long is normal between modifications?'

Which seems nicer to you? Which seems less aggressive? Which seems, perhaps, more neutral?

[FrizzleFried]

Oh, English is my first language, I do live in this little country called England, that's part of the United Kingdom. Just because a statement ends in a ? doesn't necessary make it an inquiry.

Consider the difference between:
'Is one month a little long between modifications?'

and
'How long is normal between modifications?'

Which seems nicer to you? Which seems less aggressive? Which seems, perhaps, more neutral?

I guess I see very little difference between the two questions.  Honestly.  I am not one to "pussy foot" around nor am I one to get upset over "the way" a question is asked.  I am direct.  I won't apologize for it.

[Arantor]

Here's the problem. The second question can be answered in a neutral, factual way, while the first cannot, and by putting it in a loaded fashion (isn't X too much/too little for Y), you're actually asking for a value judgement, and there is no way that question can be answered in a positive way.

Since you're asking a question to which there are only bad answers, you're going to breed bad feeling.

Imagine I asked you those questions, how are you going to react, exactly? Put yourself in our position as best you are able, then imagine you hear this question multiple times (once a month or so, every month for several years) and imagine how you'd react.

[Kindred]

I'm a blunt sort of guy too... I rarely temper my statements... but I am also aware of the phrasing that I use (or at least I try to be so)

phrasing is critical, as is the question itself:
When did you stop beating your wife?

[FrizzleFried]

Here's the problem. The second question can be answered in a neutral, factual way, while the first cannot, and by putting it in a loaded fashion (isn't X too much/too little for Y), you're actually asking for a value judgement, and there is no way that question can be answered in a positive way.

Since you're asking a question to which there are only bad answers, you're going to breed bad feeling.

Imagine I asked you those questions, how are you going to react, exactly? Put yourself in our position as best you are able, then imagine you hear this question multiple times (once a month or so, every month for several years) and imagine how you'd react.

I guess I am not seeing what you are seeing.  I actually "answered" the question in a neutral, factual way above... perhaps it's a cultural issue?  Perhaps not?     I didn't jump in with "Man,  this place SUCKS it takes so much time to get mods approved.  There has GOTTA be a better way!  This way stinks!  Blah blah blah blah blah... " I simply made an inquiry based on my observations using the information I had at the time.   Had I know SUKI was "the team" I likely would have worded things a little difference,  but I didn't know... so I asked. 

How would I have reacted to the question had the shoe been on the other foot?  I'll repeat...

"There's only one guy doing the reviewing so a month is well within a reasonable amount of time between mods being accepted."

Done... this thread would have been over in 3 replies... It also would have educated ME (and others reading) by way of informing us that Suki is "the team" and it would inform us as to the fact that with a "team" of 1... a month is well within reason between approved mods.  See...

But no,  instead the DRAMA unfolded like a bunch of teenage highschoolers.

[Kindred]

well, as I said, you need to be aware of phrasing --  most especially because we ARE multi-national and multi-cultural and what you may see as "gentle inquiry" others see as "loaded".

(although I am from the US as well, and I read that as loaded as Arantor did...)
Suki is not from the US... nor is emanuele

[IchBin™]

But no,  instead the DRAMA unfolded like a bunch of teenage highschoolers.

We live, eat, and breath DRAMA here. We're glad you have been a part of it. Moving along now...

[Arantor]

As far as drama goes, yes, I think that's fair to say. The reason being that the people who are 'dramatic' are those who are emotionally invested in what goes on here, having contributed a lot of time and energy in and get a lot less out of it as a result.

And a decent amount of that frustration comes out of those who do not understand how much time and energy has been spent and them having expectations.

[All Colours Sam]

@FrizzleFried I already answered you:

As for your inquire:

Its because I got burned out.
There are 5 mods on the queue.
Only I am doing reviews.

I hope this covers all your inquires so we can go back to our normal routine of you receiving free and safe mods and me working o those mods so you can use them safely.

Thank you for your suggestions.

I already told you my rantings were not towards you personally, it was just bad timing.  Let's just move on and get busy with our own duties.

Yes, venting my frustrations is usually considered by others as drama, I got used to that already.

I have no issues with going public with the amount of mods in the queue, is not super sekrit information nor it would lead to the fall of capitalism, just next time ask directly:

why you took a month to approve mods?
how many mods are in the queue?
how many people are working on them?

So I can answer you plain flat:

Its because I got burned out.
There are 5 mods on the queue.
Only I am doing reviews.

and we can all go back to our daily activities.