blocweb.net????

[Antechinus]

You would need to be fairly solid as far as theming skills go. You could eventually do it if you weren't, but it probably wouldn't be much fun.

[kat]

I wouldn't know where to even start with a v2 theme. I managed to cobble-together a few v1 themes. But, with v2, I'm not gonna even start, coz I find it far too confusing, being a non-coder.

[Antechinus]

With 1.1.x you don't have to use CSS to keep things together, because 1.1.x is all tables. With 2.0.x, you need to know how to use CSS for structural purposes. This is the same as any modern website/forum/blog coding. Table-based layout has gone the way of the dodo, for very good reasons.

[kat]

There ya go. I know less about css than even do about tact and diplomacy.

[bloc]

It might seem I am being "difficult" here lmao, but its really what I landed on, after trying all the current scripts and seeing how those need so much work, for my stuff. I want to change so much, too much I fear...

Oh don't worry. I mean in case you hadn't noticed, I can occasionally be slightly difficult myself.

I also have my preferred way of writing templates and css, and it's a bit dfferent to yours. IIRC, last time we disagreed you were more into OOCSS than I was. I understand the attractions of it, but I can't get past the feeling that it's hardly different to inline CSS, because it requires declaring a lot of presentational classes in the markup.

IMO, that is much like having actual presentation in the markup, not only in conceptual terms but also in the amount of HTML you need to generate. It also makes for some rather convoluted CSS declarations. I'm not at all sure this is really the way to make things easier for people. Although some people rave about OOCSS, I have heard less favourable opinions, even from some who worked in the same teams as the originator of that style. Check reply #28 here for an example.

I guess thats true, I do favor using classes..not because its better(of course having a unique id for everything can let you detail-run every bit of the design and its what I would use if it were single pages) but because I find it easier. You spend a *lot* of time assembling each page in SMF using unique styles, whereas classes quickly makes it happen.

When i was into Wordpress templates a few months ago, I found just how *easy* they get got it lmao, just a 5-6 templates run everything, and its dead easy to change it quickly. That is..until I had changed that ghastly piece of coding they favor into the IMHO well-formed style of SMF. Actually writing and changing multiple templates in SMF is a big job..and I guess why very few does it.

So that leaves only..if so few are doing it, and the devs don't want to change it to something easier to handle(like getting rid of many subtemplates that are very similar) then the only option is to write a "base" of your own and work from there.

In an ideal world that sort of behavior, writing your own, should not have any impact on things, the theme engine would be possible to exchange entirely. Well, not to just about anything, the datasets the core presents dictates a lot..but enough to make themes be all they can be. It would not break things, since it will still just output whatever is presented, just decide itself HOW. Its largely unexplored area in SMF, and I fear will always be as long as the devs aren't into themes lmao.

[Biology Forums]

Thank you PM sent!

[bloc]

ok, to others that might search: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=470920.msg3513229#msg3513229

[m3talc0re]

This Curve theme was probably the straw that broke the camels back when I left. I've had to mess with it a few times since and I don't like messing with it. What everyone sees in the browser looks fine, but the back end is a damn mess. By back end, I mean the html/css. It was becoming too much trouble for me to support my custom theme files with mods and what not, so I said f*** it and gave up *shrugs*.

[ARG01]

....It was becoming too much trouble for me to support my custom theme files with mods and what not, so I said f*** it and gave up *shrugs*.

This is exactly why I state clearly that although I may be willing, I am not obligated to support any mod use with my custom themes. Many use outdated mods and expect the theme designer to fix things.

[m3talc0re]

Sometimes I'll start feeling creative, and I wanna make stuff. Then I remember how much I don't like to mess with the new theme crap, and change my mind.

[DVDRangerForum]

 Bjoern I am still waiting on the refund for the upgrade services we agreed upon that you will not contact me back

[Antechinus]

This Curve theme was probably the straw that broke the camels back when I left. I've had to mess with it a few times since and I don't like messing with it. What everyone sees in the browser looks fine, but the back end is a damn mess. By back end, I mean the html/css. It was becoming too much trouble for me to support my custom theme files with mods and what not, so I said f*** it and gave up *shrugs*.

If you think the 1.1.x html is better than the 2.0.x html, I have to say that in my opinion you have a very strange definition of "better html". 1.1.x is a maze of nested tables and a total bastard to work with if you want to get creative.

[Mick.]

....It was becoming too much trouble for me to support my custom theme files with mods and what not, so I said f*** it and gave up *shrugs*.

This is exactly why I state clearly that although I may be willing, I am not obligated to support any mod use with my custom themes. Many use outdated mods and expect the theme designer to fix things.

+1

[Biology Forums]

This Curve theme was probably the straw that broke the camels back when I left. I've had to mess with it a few times since and I don't like messing with it. What everyone sees in the browser looks fine, but the back end is a damn mess. By back end, I mean the html/css. It was becoming too much trouble for me to support my custom theme files with mods and what not, so I said f*** it and gave up *shrugs*.

If you think the 1.1.x html is better than the 2.0.x html, I have to say that in my opinion you have a very strange definition of "better html". 1.1.x is a maze of nested tables and a total bastard to work with if you want to get creative.

True, while I do work slow, it has taken me quite a long time to alter (somewhat) my theme so that they are in divs as opposed to tables. Nothing against tables, but simply things, such as rounded edges are a bit*h to do.

[Arantor]

Nothing against tables, but simply things, such as rounded edges are a bit*h to do.

Because adding border-radius to a given td is so difficult? (Works fine for me, I use it regularly)

[Biology Forums]

Nothing against tables, but simply things, such as rounded edges are a bit*h to do.

Because adding border-radius to a given td is so difficult? (Works fine for me, I use it regularly)

Strange, because it has never worked for me. Will go back and check.

[Arantor]

You have to style the tds or ths, not tr or table tags for it to work. But if you don't believe me I can readily get you screenshots showing that it works.

[DVDRangerForum]

 Bjoern I am still waiting on the refund for the upgrade services we agreed upon

Do not know what I need to do for you to contact me

[NanoSector]

DVDRangerForum, it's better to handle those things in private, via e-mail or PMs on this forum.

[Arantor]

I believe DVDRangerForum has tried to contact Bloc privately too, to no avail.