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Started by sloopz, April 29, 2008, 06:46:13 PM

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Sincere

Quote from: TilT on May 04, 2008, 06:27:44 PM
This contest is doubtful for me, and I believe that is same for many people although they don't talk about their ideas here. We are not blaming Panic, but you are defending very wrong thing. It is obvious that Kello-lt is not original work of Panic! To defend your ideas you are blaming people, not I am. Crip's themes are original although they seem same them self. However, his themes are clean, very proper, and most important they are original work. He is just using some small free images in the net. Anyway, I believe that you know his themes are perfect. However, to support your fault, you shouldn't blame someone. You are supposed to be fair if this is a serious contest. If the theme Kello-lt wins this (I believe it will), this contest means corrupted! This is not Simple Machines like the years' ago!

I have seen in the past many examples of pre-fixed- contests that aim at encouraging one or more products.

I can't accuse the smf team of having tried to do something like this here, because I don't know how long the competition was open and why Harzem did not join in .

But frankly I am not at all worried about this because no matter what you do, every webmaster is finally casting his own vote by downloading Dilber MC and thus, no matter what the results of the vote are, dilber would still get what it deserves.

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Quote from: Eliana Tamerin on May 04, 2008, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 06:31:13 PM
Quote from: joe123 on May 04, 2008, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 04:30:03 PM

How come Dilbert MC is not among those themes ?

I would not give any theme more than 7/10, and I would give Dilber MC 10/10

My feeling as well.    I would give 20 on a 1-10 scale for Dilber MC theme.

This is also obvious from the number of downloads.


great. how important is it for your board to have Dilber MC for smf2.0 ?

Please pledge donating something to Dilber MC to encourage the author to work on it and get it done so that we can all upgrade to smf2.0 soon



Sincere, this is not the place or time to comment on that. Please take this to the Theme's comment thread. And a word of caution, as most theme authors won't be upgrading their themes until SMF's semantic layouts have been better defined.

you are right eliana.

you are right.

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Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 06:31:13 PM

Please pledge donating something to Dilber MC to encourage the author to work on it and get it done so that we can all upgrade to smf2.0 soon

I already posted that I have donated to Dilber Hazerm.    I believe in helping.   I said that I encourage Deilber to charge for those who want 2.0 or whatever, or maybe give 2.0 to those who have already contributed to his fund - that would be fair.

Sincere

Quote from: joe123 on May 04, 2008, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 06:31:13 PM

Please pledge donating something to Dilber MC to encourage the author to work on it and get it done so that we can all upgrade to smf2.0 soon

I already posted that I have donated to Dilber Hazerm.    I believe in helping.   I said that I encourage Deilber to charge for those who want 2.0 or whatever, or maybe give 2.0 to those who have already contributed to his fund - that would be fair.

thank you for your kind reply.

you are right again.

I too would back your suggestion to make Dilber MC 2.0 for smf2.0 a paid theme.

I even have a much better proposal.

SMF should buy Dilber MC from Harzem to make it the default theme ....

I would back with money any of those solutions.

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Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 06:54:34 PM

I even have a much better proposal.

SMF should buy Dilber MC from Harzem to make it the default theme ....

That is THE BEST idea of all!    You hit the nail right on the head.

You should start a new SUBJECT on this at the SMF New feature request section and you can count on my vote.

Great Idea!

Gary

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Quote from: TilT on May 04, 2008, 06:27:44 PM
It is obvious that Kello-lt is not original work of Panic!
Who said it had to be designed by the person who submitted the theme? We stated that joint efforts in the contest were permitted, and thats what this is, a joint effort between Panic and Andrew. Andrew designed it, and Panic coded it. It's as simple as that. There is no rule violation with the Kelo-LT theme being in the contest, which is why it's there in the first place.

Like I said before, the theme is an original work, in fact it's more original than most of the other themes we saw which were generally just recolour edits of previous themes by that author.

As for the Dilber stuff, there's no point in discussing it, it's the most popular theme because it's been around a long time, that has no baring on this contest. In fact, the two issues are unrelated. Like Eren said this contest is for themes submitted in a certain time frame (2 months), HarzeM probably didn't join in because he has other stuff to do, and didn't have time to create a new theme.

The Dilber theme WILL NOT be made core in SMF 2.0, because all themes in the core package are designed by Simple Machines LLC.

Personally, I don't see why it's so popular myself...
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Quote from: joe123 on May 04, 2008, 07:01:02 PM
Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 06:54:34 PM

I even have a much better proposal.

SMF should buy Dilber MC from Harzem to make it the default theme ....

That is THE BEST idea of all!    You hit the nail right on the head.

You should start a new SUBJECT on this at the SMF New feature request section and you can count on my vote.

Great Idea!

Please do back my suggestion
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=237583.msg1531067#msg1531067

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Quote from: Gazmanafc on May 04, 2008, 07:16:53 PM

The Dilber theme WILL NOT be made core in SMF 2.0, because all themes in the core package are designed by Simple Machines LLC.

Personally, I don't see why it's so popular myself...

What an arrogant and short sighted post.

The reason why Dilber theme is popular has nothing to do with the lengh of time it has been around, but the fact that it is the best one availble not by YOUR or MY opinions, but by the popularity of the theme itself.

Sincere

Quote from: Gazmanafc on May 04, 2008, 07:16:53 PM
As for the Dilber stuff, there's no point in discussing it, it's the most popular theme because it's been around a long time

.......

The Dilber theme WILL NOT be made core in SMF 2.0, because all themes in the core package are designed by Simple Machines LLC.

OK. let us have a new poll and ask all the members to vote for their preferred theme.

Would SMF democractically accept to adopt as the smf core theme the theme that wins most votes in that new poll ?





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Quote from: joe123 on May 04, 2008, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: Gazmanafc on May 04, 2008, 07:16:53 PM

The Dilber theme WILL NOT be made core in SMF 2.0, because all themes in the core package are designed by Simple Machines LLC.

Personally, I don't see why it's so popular myself...

What an arrogant and short sighted post.

The reason why Dilber theme is popular has nothing to do with the lengh of time it has been around, but the fact that it is the best one availble not by YOUR or MY opinions, but by the popularity of the theme itself.



No Joe No. This is a very negative way of answering. No. 

Gazmanafc does have a point when he says that it is not fair to compare themes uniquely on the basis of the number of downloads as that would falsely give advantage to the older themes.

I did suggest a solution to this: a new poll that is announced to all members (by an email to every member inviting him or her to vote for his preferred theme)

I would then ask smf to respect the public's choice. That is a much more constructive way of answering Gazmanafc's post.

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Actually, the length of time does have an effect on how popular the theme is. I mean, how can a theme get that many downloads in say a week? But that is not the factor we are looking at in this contest.

Like I said, I don't see why it's so popular myself. I don't see whats so great about theme and that's my opinion like you said, and as such I don't use the theme, I create my own for my forum. You like the theme, which is okay, and I respect that.

Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 07:36:15 PM
OK. let us have a new poll and ask all the members to vote for their preferred theme.

Would SMF democractically accept to adopt as the smf core theme the theme that wins most votes in that new poll ?
I'd say no. Because like I said before, we design our default themes ourselves, and it just isnt right to pay someone else to use their theme as the default theme for our own software when we can design one ourselves.
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Quote from: Gazmanafc on May 04, 2008, 07:44:17 PM
Actually, the length of time does have an effect on how popular the theme is. I mean, how can a theme get that many downloads in say a week? But that is not the factor we are looking at in this contest.

Like I said, I don't see why it's so popular myself. I don't see whats so great about theme and that's my opinion like you said, and as such I don't use the theme, I create my own for my forum. You like the theme, which is okay, and I respect that.

Quote from: Sincere on May 04, 2008, 07:36:15 PM
OK. let us have a new poll and ask all the members to vote for their preferred theme.

Would SMF democractically accept to adopt as the smf core theme the theme that wins most votes in that new poll ?
I'd say no. Because like I said before, we design our default themes ourselves, and it just isnt right to pay someone else to use their theme as the default theme for our own software when we can design one ourselves.

Thank you

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Would you back my idea of inviting all members by email notice to vote on their preferred theme?

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There is a lot more that goes into a default theme than just the style. For example it has to be easily translatable (themes with text in images can't be translated as easily). It also has to be easy to make change. This is one of the weak spots on our current default theme but the default theme in 2.0 will be more semantic, etc.


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Quote from: winrules on May 04, 2008, 07:53:26 PM
There is a lot more that goes into a default theme than just the style. For example it has to be easily translatable (themes with text in images can't be translated as easily). It also has to be easy to make change. This is one of the weak spots on our current default theme but the default theme in 2.0 will be more semantic, etc.

thank you very much for taking the time to explain HOW you decide on the default theme.

Let me reply to your very kind message with this:

How difficult is it for the smf team to make the default theme a multi-color ? a theme where every member can in one single click choose his preferred color of a set of many different colors

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Eliana Tamerin

Why are you using this thread to discuss an issue that isn't even pertinent? It doesn't belong here. Keep discussion about your campaign in the thread you started.

This topic should be used to discuss the contest participants, themes and the opinions on those presented. If a theme isn't in the contest, why are you talking about it? I would highly suggest that the off-topic comments be split from this thread, as they have no purpose of being here.
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Please lets do keep it on topic.  These guys did a great job with their themes and they deserve the recognition for their impressive work.
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Quote from: *eren on May 04, 2008, 08:03:07 AMDon't get me wrong but what if I had bought a design, integrated it into SMF and entered into the contest, how would you know if the fact that the design was someone elses didn't come out?
Well I wouldn't be happy with that either...

QuoteThink of this theme as the joint work of Panic and the DeviantArt guy. There is nothing that says two people can't enter the contest.
Is the DeviantArt guy part of the SM community, and would any prizes be split between them? If that is the case, then it's fine IMO. I however thought the situation was that panic bought some random theme he liked and converted it to SMF, which isn't a team effort, it's a conversion.
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Quote from: Dannii on May 05, 2008, 12:21:49 PM
Is the DeviantArt guy part of the SM community, and would any prizes be split between them?
I think that only one party has to be a member here, in this case panic. We did say that prizes can be split between the two, but I think panic and Andrew can discuss that amongst themselves and then let us know where to distribute the prizes.
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Do you know if panic bought the exclusive rights?

If the team wants to see this theme as a joint effort that's fine, and that's their choice. It just seems to me from the little I know that the theme was designed by someone with no interests in SMF and then converted by someone else. Such a converted theme would be against the spirit of the comp. A joint effort wouldn't be. It's up to you.
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