Aeva 6.9.99 and earlier (old)

[weightman]

I vote for naming the tag <video> rather than <aeva>- no offense. 

It is just more intuitive for the user.

[Nao 尚]

I vote for naming the tag <video> rather than <aeva>- no offense. 

It is just more intuitive for the user.

Yes, especially intuitive when they come to embed audio files, eh?

[weightman]

I suppose that is true. I never much use audio embeds so wasn't thinking of it. How about [Embed]?

[Highbuzz]

What about [media]?

[Nao 尚]

Yeah but it's bigger than [ae]...

Again: if users don't edit their own posts later, they will never get to see the [ae]/[aeva] tag itself, so... Is this really so important?

I could just as well call it [nao], for my own personal glory
Oh, that's one more good idea...

[daclina]

What do you mean "2.1.4"?
If you're talking about a version of "Auto Embed Video Clips", I would strongly advise to update to Aeva 5.1.28... I can't support earlier versions that I never even saw myself

Hey Nao,

I didn't relaise I was so far behind   - you are completely right and ofcourse I would love to update to your version. I actually tried to update (uninstall 2.1.4 Auto Embed CLips + install your Avea 5.1.32), but I got an error on the subs.php file - test failed - any ideas (I am not 100% sure if I installed 2.1.4 manually or automatically)?

Any help would be appreciated .

[Omniverse]

Sounds like some great features.
Order... IDK, they all sound good hehe. Though I do have an interest in the local embedding.

As for a tag name.... only other one that comes to mind is [av], as in audio/video. [ae] works for me though.

[Nao 尚]

@daclina> Err... Does this happen when uninstalling, or when installing?
If uninstalling -- I have no idea. Please learn how to uninstall manually, because you'll need that anyway. I suppose v2 doesn't have a lot of edits anyway so it should be fast enough to uninstall.
If installing -- please attach your Subs.php file here.

@Omniverse> I'm not willing to discuss the tag's name... It will be [nao] [aeva] or [ae], whatever I decide in the end. *And* I'm not even sure I'm doing the whole tag thing

[daclina]

Hi Nao,

I meant uninstalling . I used a mod parser and uninstalled it manually, installed 5.1.32 manually (failed on Load.php, not sure why) - now every old video link works correctly (embedded).

Thanks for your hard work and good luck on future releases.

[mark7144]

What about [media]?

I vote for the above, it makes perfect sense. When your typical user sees [aeva] or even [ae] they won't understand, what ordinary forum user has any idea of the names of the mods installed? None.

If the tag name isn't user friendly then I'll just have to hack it in the code.

[Nao 尚]

@daclina> Good

@mark> Again (and again) -- users shouldn't have to use the tag at all so what's the issue....?

[weightman]

I prefer av over ae or aeva personally. But I like media or even embed better because many users will edit their post and it will make more sense to them, possibly, and if I understand the point of the potential tags you want them to understand it so they can customize it, if they want. Not really that big a deal to me though 

[Nao 尚]

Oh, well... What I know is that I'll probably end up with a silly thing like http://myurl/myvideo#aevaxxxx where xxxx is the list of options... Nobody will be able to understand what it means but at least the tag thing will be over with

No, really... The tag's name is up to me. Thanks for offering your opinions, but if I program it, I get to choose it
Just like I came up with the "SMG" name and tag for what was originally referred to as "SMF Media Gallery" or "SMF MGallery"

[ianus]

  Greetings!

I use the youtube-bbcode, which is written by Karl, since some time and refused to install a ,,embedd video from several sites"-code because they are all missing a tag warped around.

I have to admit, that

Heck, I would have done this tag thing long ago if I wasn't annoyed by the fact that if a user uninstalls Aeva, they will see the tags in plain view

makes sense.
But personally, I like it more, if I can see the code while typing (for this reason I don't be a fan of the wysiwyg solution of smf2).
So I am glad to hear, that you plan to add a [whatevername].

From my point of view, the tag should be added while posting.
I see your point, but make it available after the post, could make the posting process more uncomfortable.
Embedded videos integrate in a nicer way if they are centered (imho) and so I have to change your mod or edit a post directly after sending.
Maybe a user is more interested in sending the link than showing the video and to explain that there is a [ nobbc ] seems to be more complicated than a button which add a [whatevername].
Only my 2 cents and definitely not an offence.

Last point, and the main reason for typing this, is the tag name.
I think, it should be as unique as possible. This way, it would be easy to find and delete it out of the database, if someone decide to quit using the mod.
[aeva] and [nao] (new advanced operation ?) are my favorites. No, this isn't a joke. Both are more unique than media or embed. I'm sure, you will choose wisely.


Anyway, your work is respectable. I think you know that, but I think I is even so nice to read it.

Kind regards
   

[mark7144]

@mark> Again (and again) -- users shouldn't have to use the tag at all so what's the issue....?

Sure, they won't have to remember the tag but they still will use it on occasion when editing their post and I want them to understand the tag rather than think of it as a random bunch of letters.

I can give you a decent argument as to why [media] is a good tag name, can you give an argument for using [ae]?

[aeva] and [nao] (new advanced operation ?) are my favorites. No, this isn't a joke. Both are more unique than media or embed. I'm sure, you will choose wisely.

Your reasoning for what you consider to be a "unique" tag is completely unnecessary as all newly created tags are required to be unique otherwise you would have a conflict. Therefore, regardless of what it is called, it will always be easy to find and remove from the database.

[Sabre™]

Regarding the centering of clips, couldnt they just click the center bbcode?
[center ] link here [ /center]

[ianus]

Greetings!

Your reasoning for what you consider to be a "unique" tag is completely unnecessary as all newly created tags are required to be unique otherwise you would have a conflict.

Not in any case. Integrate Lightbox works wif [ img] and Table From CSV with [ table]. Both isn't nessesary but used anyway.
And it's possible to consider, that a mod author decide to write a mod to [ embed] something, maybe a [ media].

If it's in not neccesary for the user to typ the code, maybe because of a button or an automatic tag in this case, it's not urgent that the tag is obvious.


I think, that [ center] will work, but Nao mentioned something like [somename=center]. Maybe the plan is (or the code makes it neccesary) that the mod bb-code isn't parsed inside some other tags.
I don't know this and I don't think that there is this kind of restriction.
My point ist, that I personally prefer to format while typing and not while editing.


Now I will lay back and wait until I can enjoy this mod.
Have a lot of fun and success with anything and everything

[Nao 尚]

I can give you a decent argument as to why [media] is a good tag name, can you give an argument for using [ae]?

Yeah, sure...

- ae is shorter. I like "short". It may not be much, but it saves a few bytes in the database. I know SMF itself isn't much into it, what with the overlong default quotes... My offers to make quote links shorter was quickly dismissed as a "feature" (i.e. not for SMF 2.0 ...) instead of a "fix": http://dev.simplemachines.org/mantis/view.php?id=1649

- "media" could be used by another mod, you never know. While there's little chance "ae" could be used. I try not to step on whatever mod I could find on my road. I try to avoid overspecific tag names. And seriously, I don't know why no one complained even once about the [smg] tag. It doesn't stand for anything! It says "Gallery" in the menu, why doesn't the tag say [gallery], too...? No, it says [smg], and everyone uses it quite happily.

- I think "media" is too vague anyway... What is it supposed to do?

Your reasoning for what you consider to be a "unique" tag is completely unnecessary as all newly created tags are required to be unique otherwise you would have a conflict.

Oh... But,
- One, I prefer not to use SMF's default tag handling system. I find it too slow. I may use it for my tag, but I'm not starting with the idea that I will. If you look into SMG's code, you will see that my implementation of the smg tag uses a highly optimized system. I do my own parsing. I made some benchmarks at the time, and it was definitely faster. (Plus, I didn't do it for the speed, but in order to make a non-closing tag with multiple parameters and possible use of double quotes to enclose parameters. SMF doesn't support that -- at least yet.)
- It doesn't really matter... I'd rather work on avoiding conflicts now than later.

[mark7144]

I concede to your (and ianus') conflict argument. Although I feel it is very very unlikely the conflict would ever happen, I appreciate it's better to be safe than sorry.

[Nao 尚]

I use the youtube-bbcode, which is written by Karl, since some time and refused to install a ,,embedd video from several sites"-code because they are all missing a tag warped around.

Lol... You're the polar opposite of most everyone else on that matter I'd say

I have to admit, that

Heck, I would have done this tag thing long ago if I wasn't annoyed by the fact that if a user uninstalls Aeva, they will see the tags in plain view

makes sense.

Well, it doesn't make sense to uninstall Aeva once you've tried it, though........ 

But personally, I like it more, if I can see the code while typing (for this reason I don't be a fan of the wysiwyg solution of smf2).
So I am glad to hear, that you plan to add a [whatevername].

Although technically you could type the aeva tag yourself in the post, I see no reason for doing it.

From my point of view, the tag should be added while posting.

You mean, with a button...?

You know, I'm not very fond of SMF's button bar... I can "understand" having a few buttons for formatting that doesn't require a keyboard, but... an IMG tag? That asks you for a URL? Well that's for forum newbies IMO...
And forum newbies don't want to think about it. They want to paste their URL and be done with. Technically, SMF should be able to check whether a link points to an image, in which case it would turn it to an IMG tag (of course, there's that annoying IE6 security bug that pretty much prevents this... Damn you IE6!!)

I see your point, but make it available after the post, could make the posting process more uncomfortable.

I want the 99% of users who don't use tags to see no difference from before (pre-tag). I want the remaining 1% (power) users to be able to edit their tags easily. Since I'm not going to ship a manual for editing the aeva tag (where would I put it? It's not SMG, I don't have "item pages"...), I don't see any reason to consider them as n00bs and use a self-descript tag, since anyway the parameters themselves will be non-descript... (Anything that is optional and doesn't appear inside the tag on default use *is* non-descript )

Why do I feel like every new feature I add is going to turn into a heated debate? Why can't it be like for SMG? Because SMG isn't very well known? Does it mean that when SMG gets its deserved recognition, Dragooon and I are going to feel the pain just as much as I'm doing for Aeva?

Embedded videos integrate in a nicer way if they are centered (imho) and so I have to change your mod or edit a post directly after sending.

I could make it so that vids are centered by default, etc... (per user or per board, dunno.)

Maybe a user is more interested in sending the link than showing the video and to explain that there is a [ nobbc ] seems to be more complicated than a button which add a [whatevername].

nobbc won't work -- it's noembed.

Last point, and the main reason for typing this, is the tag name.
I think, it should be as unique as possible. This way, it would be easy to find and delete it out of the database, if someone decide to quit using the mod.
[aeva] and [nao] (new advanced operation ?) are my favorites. No, this isn't a joke.

Lol
I like the idea of a [nao] as much as your average bloke, but I think people will begin to see my attempt at world domination is too visible

@mark> Of course it is possible that none of the 1000 existing mods have a "media" or "embed" tag. Maybe out of the thousands of upcoming mods, only a couple will have a "media" or "embed" tag, and then users will tell authors to change it because it's incompatible with one of the better known SMF mods. Still... I don't like conflict generally I'm even wondering how to deal with not conflicting with SMG