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SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 2 is available!

Started by Grudge, December 29, 2005, 04:53:27 AM

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roxpace

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I must say that I agree with ComputerBob 100% about how the responses are getting replied to us who just want this project to progress into something much better, which would benefit not just this userbase (most private people and little companies).

The best projects are those which are trying to meet the demands from the commercial market and private sphere, not talking about me or anyone at this community, talking about any company in the commercial market and private sphere around this globe. People have a lot of different oppinions and mine are probably very wrong for some people and for some very correct. But if you develop a product you should try to work towards the commercial market needs first and secondly attract private sphere.

I know for sure that this product can be huge since it have a currently very high quality, but for that you need to listen to progress much further in the future.

Do not be defensive, listen to the critics and atleast try to understand and maybe you see a new light on the path for development and offical information like a roadmap, do not push the oppinions away right from the beginning.

Owdy: RC1 came 2005-09-20, which is very soon one year (about three months) with RC's since it will come another RC version 3 before the final. Thats a long way to go, nothing wrong, but looks slow for the surround world when there is no additional informations not even any official information about how many RC's which is said in the forums to be three, but not sure how verified that is.

JayBachatero:  Microsoft is famous for not keeping their deadlines for atleast Windows, and they are losing a lot of respect on that also but they are atleast a closed company which makes money and offers very good support world-wide. But there are thousands of better companies or projects to name which is following their roadmaps pretty good. The point is not to follow it perfectly but to give the people a hint what is coming and when a delay is a fact it shall also be put in the roadmap. No one expects a roadmap from an half open project like this to be 100% perfect, still there is people behind it with other lifes, hopefully with families, jobs or school. Yes I hit the head of the nail but it also gives a faster progress of this project and also probably much more volunteers.

akulion: I agree the community here is not dead, very well alive and fun but the SMF is not progressing quick in official terms for a progressing commercial market. And many Mods ? Not very much is getting released but what exists today in the Mod database is good base. Maybe if you are a private person those last seven months is a very short time, but not for me and many others who needs to consider new integration into our systems with software, scripts, design, hardware, staff to handle it and much more.

And listen to orange when he said "most business users will tend to choose pay-for software anyway, so that they get a gauranteed support contract and everything that goes with it -- so the business use argument doesn't really apply to SMF". That gives you a hint why so many companies for example are choosing vBulletin and more (I will not get into comparing softwares/scripts). Give them more reasons to choose SMF in the future, also you could offer a pay-support with onplace and remote installations and helpdesk. That would work very fine beside this great community for companies which doesnt have the knowledge but can't wait for "hire a local guy who first needs to learn it".

And again I end it with that this is a great product, which road path you ever choose it will be good, maybe less percentage of the BBS/forums market, but still it will be a great product.
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Kindred

first of all, the model you propose is unrealistic.

SMF is not really a company. The developers and support staff are not paid. So, your suggestions on the availablity of pay for more support than already exists (Charter membership) would pretty much require a paid staff and paid developers.  Unrealistic in the extreme.

And I disagree... the best products are ones that are stable, have support and meet a need in the marketplace (public or private). Having a product which is released prematurely to meet the demands of users is a sure road to the downfall of the product. Promising a release date is a sure way to get everyone in a tizzy "but you promised a release on such and such a date..." 
(just look at what has happened with The PhatCalPack. I have been working on it, but hit a snag and some real life issues...  I promised it back in February and then May...   and people are wondering why I haven't released it "on time".   The answer is, of course, I should have said "I'll release it when I am able".)

We have said, quite a number of times. The final release will come when it comes.   The SMF developers and team will not promise or predict a release date.

You are beating a dead horse. Get over it.

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Quote from: roxpace on June 17, 2006, 10:18:06 PM
Owdy: RC1 came 2005-09-20,
Yes, but question was:
Quote from: ComputerBob on June 17, 2006, 05:39:31 PM
How long has it been since RC2 was released? It seems like it's been about a year to me.


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Well sayd Kindred! Remember all, SMF is totally volunteer project. Devs and other team members have real lifes, school, jobs etc. SMF comes after those.
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pushkin22

Quote from: ComputerBob on June 17, 2006, 05:55:40 PM
Exactly. ;) Like many others, I gave up on waiting for phpBB 2.2 a long, long, long time ago. That's why I looked around for an alternative and found SMF. But it seems like SMF 1.1 has already been in RC (either RC1 or RC2) for a long, long, long time without any "light at the end of the tunnel."

Take MyBB. :D
1.2 cames in june or july and it will have some nice features...

Gobo

well im sticking to smf

phpbb looks like a boring old sog at first sight and after using it - it looks like a boring old sog of a boring old sog

infact ive beene dying to use osdate a free dating script but i dont only cos it uses phpbb

but in the end i guess some people like boring old sog programs and others like vibrant software like smf :D

christicehurst

Quote from: JayBachatero on June 17, 2006, 12:37:12 PM
Orange you picked the wrong Company to talk about Road Map.  When was Vista "supposed" to be out?...

If we would've given you a timeline we would be way behind then.  Like Grudge stated before.  He thought 1.1 Final would be out by April and look.  That's why we don't have a time line.

Like we said before.  Not even Team Members know exactly when it will be released.  He get an idea a week before when we prepare the Announcement topic.  Then we are just like you guys.  We wake up to see a mess of people downloadingg x cause it was released.  The same happened with RC2.

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A new problem would arise, someone have to verify each contributed script
Rox you hit the nail right on the head.  That is something that we don't want.  Supporting different versions becomes a hastle.

Maybe you guys can use the Roadmap that Bloc at Tiny Portal setted up. That way members have a idea what new featurtes to look forward and a idea of what work has been done. Because at this point I have no clue what new features there will be or if these feature will really change anything.
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HarryWx

Quote from: klumy on June 17, 2006, 05:48:14 PM
@ComputerBob
How long have you been waiting for phpBB 2.2?
Think the phpBB development must be much longer

Good point.

They however finally did release phpbb3 ( Used to be called 2.2 ) beta yesterday. A nice impovement. However it still dont have such features as the package manager found here which is great, nor collapsable forums on the main index page, and no quick reply as well. The only notable thing they did add not found here yet ( I believe to be added in a later release here ) is moderation que/preview. I personally have no problems here with development as smf has pretty much remained ahead of the other guy's so far. And the developers here seem to be more open to new ideas for development unlike a few notable others.

ComputerBob

Digg has an announcement about the new phpBB 3 Beta 1:

http://digg.com/software/PhpBB_3_Beta_1_Released

I wouldn't be posting a link to a phpBB announcement here in the SMF forums except that I'd like to see how SMF users feel about a very anti-SMF comment under the announcement. ATM it's the 27th comment down, by JessicaHope, and starts with the text,

"Oh please. I reported four diffrent security problems to SMF..."
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Jessica

Quote from: ComputerBob on June 18, 2006, 02:10:48 PM
Digg has an announcement about the new phpBB 3 Beta 1:

http://digg.com/software/PhpBB_3_Beta_1_Released [nofollow]

I wouldn't be posting a link to a phpBB announcement here in the SMF forums except that I'd like to see how SMF users feel about a very anti-SMF comment under the announcement. ATM it's the 27th comment down, by JessicaHope, and starts with the text,

"Oh please. I reported four diffrent security problems to SMF..."

Well, mabey if SMF team members didn't troll the topic about phpBB, one wouldn't have to reply as one did. However, if you don't like what I posted, then fine, but it is truth.

Jessica

ComputerBob

Quote from: Jessica on June 18, 2006, 02:24:06 PM

Well, mabey if SMF team members didn't troll the topic about phpBB, one wouldn't have to reply as one did. However, if you don't like what I posted, then fine, but it is truth.

Jessica
Jessica, you don't need to get huffy about it. As I said in my other posts in this topic a few posts up from here, I STILL USE PHPBB ON MY SITE, while I wait (and wait and wait) for SMF 1.1 Final. I don't "troll" Digg any more than you "troll" the SMF forums, -- I simply read the phpBB announcement on Digg like thousands of others have. I did not express any "like" or "dislike" about what you posted on Digg -- I simply asked for others here to comment on what you had written so I could figure out if your allegations about SMF were true or not.
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JayBachatero

Part of what she wrote is partially correct.  Some of the things she pointed out have been fixed.  Just cause we don't release a patch or make an announcement doesn't mean we haven't looked into it.  These issues are very small issues so they can wait for a new release.  Not need for a patch.
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Jessica

Quote from: ComputerBob on June 18, 2006, 02:35:36 PM
Jessica, you don't need to get huffy about it.

I didn't, I simply stated fact. Trekkie101 has affiliation with the SMF group as he is on their documentation team. It does not shed good light on to the SMF group to have one of their team members attempt to troll a discussion about phpBB 3 by saying things like SMF has a better security record. Regardless of if it is true or not, it doesn't belong in such a discussion, and really should not be posted by a SMF team member.

Jay: Although you might not make a release upon receiving a report, it is common courtesy to keep the reporter up to date with the progress of fixing the exploits. I've reported many exploits to other software, and by far SMF's replies have been the worst in terms of number and speed of their replies. (On the inverse, the best one I had asked me for my phone number as the follow up reply two minutes later, and after it was provided, I was on the phone to their Chief Software specialist who confirmed the issue with me, and we managed to fix it in ten minutes. The fix was then released two hours later..)

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Jessica

Quote from: J J Williams on June 18, 2006, 03:24:38 PM
You do know just cause someone's in one team doesn't mean they know nothing about another thing :P

Of course, I wasn't stating that, but it is a bit pretentious to post about SMF in a phpBB story, is it not?

Jessica

JayBachatero

I agree with you Jessica about Trekkies comment.  IMO it wasn't really needed.  1. It doesn't look good on SMF, 2. We have to give credit were is due.  Just like the SMF Dev's the phpBB Dev's have worked hard on getting phpBB where is at right now.  Wether is good or not it's all a matter of taste and opinion.
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Quote from: Jessica on June 18, 2006, 03:18:43 PM
Quote from: ComputerBob on June 18, 2006, 02:35:36 PM
Jessica, you don't need to get huffy about it.

I didn't, I simply stated fact. Trekkie101 has affiliation with the SMF group as he is on their documentation team. It does not shed good light on to the SMF group to have one of their team members attempt to troll a discussion about phpBB 3 by saying things like SMF has a better security record. Regardless of if it is true or not, it doesn't belong in such a discussion, and really should not be posted by a SMF team member.
That makes sense, but it wasn't at all clear to me until now. Your post here, which quoted me, did not mention Trekkie 101, and I don't know anything about the SMF team, so it appeared to me that you were accusing me of trolling the phpBB thread. ;)
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Jessica

Quote from: ComputerBobYour post here, which quoted me, did not mention Trekkie 101, and I don't know anything about the SMF team, so it appeared to me that you were accusing me of trolling the phpBB thread.

I'm very sorry if it appeared that way :)

Jessica

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