The one and ONLY thing SMF needs to be PERFECT.

[germz]

A good web 2.0 design.
Do you guys plan on doing this soon?

[codenaught]

Well there was a new default theme released for SMF 1.1 after SMF 1.0. So we shall see if there will be one for 2.0.

[Jumpmasterrt]

Not only that, one of the goals of 2.0 was to allow themes to be installed that didn't require modifying after mods were installed so even if they don't change the default theme, your added themes won't render the mods ineffective. (Well, the ones written for 2.0 anyway). That way you can install several themes to let your users pick and they'll all work without (or minimal) additional work for the Admin.

Does that make sense?

[JayBachatero]

Actually, as much as we would love for themes to work that way, they don't.  What 2.0 allows is when you install a mod it *tries* to apply it to the other themes. 

[Tristan Perry]

I think the whole default SMF theme issue has been discussed a bunch of times, however I wouldn't personally like to see an Web 2.0-style theme (just because it's sort of a fad - we're already seeing talk of Web 3.0 etc..)

[Jumpmasterrt]

Actually, as much as we would love for themes to work that way, they don't.  What 2.0 allows is when you install a mod it *tries* to apply it to the other themes. 

That's what I meant by "goals" and "minimal"

[Gary]

I think the whole default SMF theme issue has been discussed a bunch of times, however I wouldn't personally like to see an Web 2.0-style theme (just because it's sort of a fad - we're already seeing talk of Web 3.0 etc..)

That's exactly the way I see it too. Most of this stuff is really just a fad, like the tableless thing. All I see these days is You gotta be tableless this or semantic that. It's annoying. I prefer tables over divs as I can manage tables better.

Too many people are trying to force one's coding style's down other peoples throats. If people wanna use tables. Let them...

[Jumpmasterrt]

Hey Gary, is this "(Never Gaz)" because he doesn't make it through COD4? LOL

[Gary]

No, it means I don't want to be called Gaz.

[Tristan Perry]

I think the whole default SMF theme issue has been discussed a bunch of times, however I wouldn't personally like to see an Web 2.0-style theme (just because it's sort of a fad - we're already seeing talk of Web 3.0 etc..)

That's exactly the way I see it too. Most of this stuff is really just a fad, like the tableless thing. All I see these days is You gotta be tableless this or semantic that. It's annoying. I prefer tables over divs as I can manage tables better.

Too many people are trying to force one's coding style's down other peoples throats. If people wanna use tables. Let them...

Yep, I agree Whilst I do prefer divs over tables, it should always be each to their own (and even now browsers still aren't too great with CSS3 and sometimes CCS2).

Also, the whole "Web 2.0" aesthetic look is IMHO something that I wouldn't want to see implemented as an SMF default theme (as I say, it's a fad and it's good to be unique sometimes )

[Eliana Tamerin]

I definitely agree. I despise some of the "Web 2.0" themes out there, some of them are horribly blocky and they look like they were put together by some click-and-drag program. *shudders*

[ccbtimewiz]

Web 1.0 themes FTW. 

[Marcus Forsberg]

Sry, I'm pretty stupid, but what's this "Web 1.0" and "Web 2.0"?

[Dragooon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2
It basically describes the trends in the content of site, the coding of sites etc.

[Dannii]

That's exactly the way I see it too. Most of this stuff is really just a fad, like the tableless thing. All I see these days is You gotta be tableless this or semantic that. It's annoying. I prefer tables over divs as I can manage tables better.

Too many people are trying to force one's coding style's down other peoples throats. If people wanna use tables. Let them...

If you can manage layout tables better than semantically structure HTML that only means you've never learnt HTML or CSS properly. There is much more at stake than coding styles. Try a word that starts with A...

(and even now browsers still aren't too great with CSS3 and sometimes CCS2).

And thankfully if you're using a semantically structured layout, that doesn't matter much! Progressive enchancement FTW

[Gary]

Oh, so there's a proper way to code now? Who put you in charge of the HTML Police?

I'm standing by my statement. If pople want to use tables, then let them.

[Dannii]

Not me, TBL (and maybe Hixie too.)

And of course we let them. That doesn't mean a SMF Customiser should use them.

[Gary]

My position on SMF is not related to how I code. I code how I want to code, and if I want to use tables, when then, I'm going to use tables. No one tells me otherwise.

[Jumpmasterrt]

There are plenty of people who use tables effectively without causing SMF any grief.
I think you may misunderstand the whole point of SMF being "open source", but variety is exactly what makes this project/program as successful as it is. So like Gary said, who cares? No one (but you) is going to tell someone not to use tables. Besides, as a customizer he's not writing core script so if he writes something in tables and someone doesn't like it, then they don't have to use his customization.

That "A" word...... is it AJAX? (which isn't a word by the way, it's an acronym, I'm in the Army and I know acronyms  LOL)
Really the only thing good about AJAX in my (and many of my friends) opinion is the XMLHttpRequest object which is really their only "selling" point.
But what does that have to do with anything? You're still back to whether or not to use tables or divs in the html.

The point is, SMF is a CORE not a complete product. Sure, it'll work without adding anything to it or changing it but that's like buying a white car with no features and only standard equipment. What's the fun in that?

[Eliana Tamerin]

It drives from point A to point B. Sometimes that's all that's needed. Not every car has to look flashy and have all the gimicks.