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2.1.4 suggestion for attachment feature under posts

Started by Julius_2000, April 25, 2023, 05:38:31 AM

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Julius_2000

I don't know where to post this, so please, move it to an appropriate board if necessary.

I noticed from comments and from some changes on here that the SMF team might be currently testing 2.1.4 features on this site. The one thing that caught my eye is the overhaul of the attachment design.
While it's great to be able to just click right away or drag 'n drop, I noticed that inserting such an attachment is now a bit inconspicuous, just represented by an icon. If you would like to keep it that way, would you be able to leave a bit more space between that and the delete-icon? I could imagine this causing some usability issue on mobile devices where you could accidentally hit "delete" instead of "insert".

Sesquipedalian

There's always a confirmation dialog before deleting, so it can't be done accidentally.
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Sesqu... Sesqui... what?
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Sir Osis of Liver

That's a HUGE improvement.  Just a suggestion -

You cannot view this attachment.

And get rid of the shortcuts, can't imagine anyone still uses them.  Just clutter, I always remove them.

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SleePy

Quote from: Sir Osis of Liver on April 25, 2023, 05:16:42 PMThat's a HUGE improvement.  Just a suggestion -

You cannot view this attachment.

And get rid of the shortcuts, can't imagine anyone still uses them.  Just clutter, I always remove them.

I still use them. If you know your shortcuts, you will find them handy
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Sir Osis of Liver

Keyboard shortcuts go all the way back to the bad old DOS days,  And they're right next to the post/preview buttons.  Easier to just click/tap the buttons, so why would you use the 3-key shortcuts?
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Sesquipedalian

🤨 Because keyboard shortcuts are faster than mouse-based input.
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Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen

I use them too, it is easier to to just end your typing by typing, than switching from your keyboard to your mouse to post.
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Julius_2000

Quote from: Sesquipedalian on April 25, 2023, 10:39:11 AMThere's always a confirmation dialog before deleting, so it can't be done accidentally.
Got it. A bit more space for mobile purposes out of the box would be appreciated though, if possible. Otherwise, it looks good.

DeadMan...

Quote from: Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen on April 26, 2023, 02:05:22 AMI use them too, it is easier to to just end your typing by typing, than switching from your keyboard to your mouse to post.

Especially if using a laptop and the touchpad is deciding to be a pain. 😂
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Arantor

Surely the first part makes the second part irrelevant - all laptop touchpads are awful.

SleePy

Quote from: Arantor on April 26, 2023, 07:33:34 AMSurely the first part makes the second part irrelevant - all laptop touchpads are awful.

I think Apple wins that category and has for years.
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Sesquipedalian

I was going to say the same. My MacBook's trackpad is great. The ones on non-Apple machines are pretty consistently awful.
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Arantor

Nope, hard disagree, I had a MacBook in 2012-2015 and currently for work, and I went back to a regular mouse almost immediately.

Sesquipedalian

I promise you nothing.

Sesqu... Sesqui... what?
Sesquipedalian, the best word in the English language.

Arantor

But the point stands, all sorts of device inputs, and that's before we talk about the situation with people with motor impairment issues - it is very easy to take it for granted that everyone can be as precise as us with mice or fingers on mobile, the reality is less clear.

Especially as we know SMF has a higher than typical contingent of people in the 60+ bracket and motor function can decline with age.

DeadMan...

Quote from: Arantor on April 27, 2023, 09:13:25 AMfingers on mobile

This is true, but not very relevant when comes to keyboard shortcuts.

But it is a valid point about the spacing of the buttons.
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Arantor

In the case of the keyboard shortcuts, I'd strongly suggest ditching the ones that are there (which have always been problematic for certain languages, especially Eastern European ones that overload the modifier keys for diacritics)

The more accepted standard at this point is Ctrl-Enter to submit (far fewer problems than the S), though this should be Command+Enter on Mac (rather than the very non standard Ctrl-Option-S)

Ctrl-Shift-P (Cmd-Shift-P) might fly for preview. But again, Mac doesn't use Ctrl the way Windows does, and Ctrl-Option as a Mac modifier is a bit weird.

I'd also suggest hiding the prompt on mobile by default... can't use a shortcut key I literally don't have...

DeadMan...

Quote from: Arantor on April 27, 2023, 10:59:21 AMI'd also suggest hiding the prompt on mobile by default... can't use a shortcut key I literally don't have...

It is already hidden on mobile.
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Arantor

Quote from: DeadMan... on April 27, 2023, 01:44:11 PM
Quote from: Arantor on April 27, 2023, 10:59:21 AMI'd also suggest hiding the prompt on mobile by default... can't use a shortcut key I literally don't have...

It is already hidden on mobile.

Not on my iPad it isn't.

DeadMan...

Quote from: Arantor on April 27, 2023, 02:01:43 PMNot on my iPad it isn't.

Most likely due to screen size.
Guessing it's hidden for smaller devices, like phones.
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