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Started by M-DVD, December 31, 2008, 07:31:43 AM

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Arantor

Quote from: Matthias on March 03, 2022, 11:26:32 AMIn the StopSpammer.php file it says this. I think that's why the update is not a problem.

/******************************************************************************
* This program is free software; you may redistribute it and/or modify it     *
* under the terms of the provided license as published by SMF.                *
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* This program is distributed in the hope that it is and will be useful,      *
* but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTIES; without even any implied warranty of            *
* MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.                        *
******************************************************************************/

And that's the problem. Precisely which terms?

This is why it matters: if you're saying "the same terms as SMF" you are legit screwed, sorry. Prior to 2011, when the bulk of this mod (even the 2.0 versions) was written, SMF had a licence that explicitly forbade anyone making derivative versions.

Legally it's ambiguous what licence any of this is under - even if practically and morally it's *probably* fine. Where this gets into deeper, nastier territory is that cases like this one form the basis of precedent. The way this is handled sets the way future cases are handled.

This is why previous issues of this sort of thing were always handled with "sorry no" unless the *mod author* themselves says otherwise - because they are the only ones legally empowered to make that sort of change.

Please believe me when I say I take no pleasure in sitting over here being all legal-eagle, just I've had to deal with this sort of thing blowing up into real lawsuits and with the best will in the world no one wants that. I've also seen projects near-implode over the copyright notice being incorrect because *this actually matters*.

Kindred

While I normally agree and enforce as you indicate, Arantor - in this case, I would argue that the mod author appears to have given permission - and I would argue that the INTENTION of the author is clear, even if the wording is somewhat (legally) muddled.
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Arantor

Oh, don't get me wrong, I think the intent is clear enough. But I still have to be the evil one that sits in the corner and points out the underlying legal situation. Especially because it forms a precedent here.

The underlying legal situation, for the record, sucks.

Diego Andrés

We've had a couple of precedents then since probably a bunch of unnoticed mods have already included a license after being updated by a new maintainer. We can't do much about that, but it's all in the assumption that the author allowed for it when granting permission to take over.

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DarkAngel612

Remember that this is coming from someone that is not knowledgeable in this stuff ...me.

Can he add that to note from the creator to the zip as a way to show that he does have permission to re-do code, distribute, and such?
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Matthias

Somehow I'm confused now. I don't know if I should publish updated version at all.
What should I do in your opinion?
Quality first

Kindred

As an official representative of simple Machines (corporation) and Simple Machines Forum (project) I am telling you that, continuing existing precedent, we believe that the original author has given permission for you to update and publish the mod, including updates to the license which do not violate the original intention.
(So no option to make this a paid/closed mod)



I understand Arantor's position, but we have chosen this path and already established precedent.
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Matthias

Thank you, Kindred. Okay, then I'll move on.
It would have been a real shame if it failed because of the license.
I have sent snoopy_virtual an email asking if it is ok for him if I add a license.
I hope I will get an answer. Let's see...
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Arantor

It wasn't clear to me that the precedent was set, but thank you for clearing it up. :)

Belgarion

Just wondering if there has been an update on the version for 2.1 (specifically 2.1.1) as this is easily the most used mod on our forum.

SD-X

Quote from: Belgarion on March 17, 2022, 07:12:38 PMJust wondering if there has been an update on the version for 2.1 (specifically 2.1.1) as this is easily the most used mod on our forum.
This. Any news on that new version that was being discussed? Really excited for it. :)

Shades.

Quote from: SugarD-x on April 10, 2022, 05:06:28 PMThis. Any news on that new version that was being discussed? Really excited for it. :)
There is a new version here for 2.1.1 ;)
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SD-X

Quote from: Shades. on April 10, 2022, 06:22:29 PM
Quote from: SugarD-x on April 10, 2022, 05:06:28 PMThis. Any news on that new version that was being discussed? Really excited for it. :)
There is a new version here for 2.1.1 ;)
That's a different mod that uses the same database.

While it is nice, I prefer the options provided by this one for my particular type of usage.

Sebastiii

Hi :)
Is there a way to download older version, I'm interested in 2.3.9, this mod version is installed but revert files and so on was removed from Packages folder, so I can't update to the latest version.

I have created a copy of the website locally to make testing, but it would be nice is I can download older version.
Thanks :)

PS : installed version of SMF is 2.0.18

SD-X

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Quote from: Sebastiii on April 13, 2022, 08:08:45 AMHi :)
Is there a way to download older version, I'm interested in 2.3.9, this mod version is installed but revert files and so on was removed from Packages folder, so I can't update to the latest version.

I have created a copy of the website locally to make testing, but it would be nice is I can download older version.
Thanks :)

PS : installed version of SMF is 2.0.18
I have attached an old copy I had laying around so you can remove it from your forum and upgrade, but it should be noted that obviously no one should be using this version anymore for their security and stability, as a newer one has been released. I also have nothing to do with this mod directly, and I just enjoy using it, so nothing I'm saying in this post should be taken as official in any way. ;D

Sebastiii

Quote from: SugarD-x on April 13, 2022, 06:25:23 PMI have attached an old copy I had laying around so you can remove it from your forum and upgrade, but it should be noted that obviously no one should be using this version anymore for their security and stability, as a newer one has been released. I also have nothing to do with this mod directly, and I just enjoy using it, so nothing I'm saying in this post should be taken as official in any way. ;D
Thanks for this :)
Just to be sure to following you, I shouldn't use 2.3.9 but 2.4.0 instead, right ?
If yes, it's the goal I want to achieve ;D 

SD-X

Quote from: Sebastiii on April 13, 2022, 07:08:59 PM
Quote from: SugarD-x on April 13, 2022, 06:25:23 PMI have attached an old copy I had laying around so you can remove it from your forum and upgrade, but it should be noted that obviously no one should be using this version anymore for their security and stability, as a newer one has been released. I also have nothing to do with this mod directly, and I just enjoy using it, so nothing I'm saying in this post should be taken as official in any way. ;D
Thanks for this :)
Just to be sure to following you, I shouldn't use 2.3.9 but 2.4.0 instead, right ?
If yes, it's the goal I want to achieve ;D 

That I believe! Just a disclaimer for others so no one takes the conversation the wrong way. :D

Sebastiii


Steve

FYI ... anyone other than the mod author attaching older versions of a mod isn't allowed.
DO NOT pm me for support!

Sebastiii

Quote from: Steve on April 14, 2022, 11:58:09 AMFYI ... anyone other than the mod author attaching older versions of a mod isn't allowed.
Ok, sorry, I didn't know that, now I can run the latest version.

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