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SMF 2.0 Candidate 4 and SMF 1.1.12 have been released

Started by Norv, November 01, 2010, 02:30:09 PM

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dvance

Come on with the final already. I have been one of the few that has been waiting VERY patiently and has kept my mouth shut with the long delay, infighting, legal BS, etc, but enough is enough. I know it's free software, but I've had enough.

WHEN is 2.0 final going to be released? I don't want to hear reasons, excuses, or push-offs; I want a flat answer. There are other boards that are just as capable as SMF, but I have been loyal and prefer to stick with SMF.

And of course I expect this post to be deleted and me be banned; that seems to be the history here from what I've been reading.

Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen

We cannot say when it's going to be released, as we honestly do not know yet, when exactly that would be. Many of us would like to see final already, you are not alone in this - but still, the only real answer you can get for now, is that it will be released when it is ready, and the team is ready, and the legal matters are handled. Don't worry, I'm positive this will happen eventually, and I am personally hoping it will happen sooner, rather than later. ;)
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NanoSector

Quote from: dvance on February 05, 2011, 02:53:30 AM
Come on with the final already. I have been one of the few that has been waiting VERY patiently and has kept my mouth shut with the long delay, infighting, legal BS, etc, but enough is enough. I know it's free software, but I've had enough.

WHEN is 2.0 final going to be released? I don't want to hear reasons, excuses, or push-offs; I want a flat answer. There are other boards that are just as capable as SMF, but I have been loyal and prefer to stick with SMF.

And of course I expect this post to be deleted and me be banned; that seems to be the history here from what I've been reading.
SMF is a big project and will take a few months to release a new version, because of all the bug fixes in different files, packaging the installation/upgrade packages, changing the version numbers in all files, etc.

I say, be even more patient ;)
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青山 素子

Quote from: dvance on February 05, 2011, 02:53:30 AM
And of course I expect this post to be deleted and me be banned; that seems to be the history here from what I've been reading.

Are you trying to get banned? I ask that because you seriously seem to be asking for it.

Bans are usually handled for very serious reasons. Major disruptions of the community after repeated warnings, for example. Criticism isn't a bannable offense or even I would have been banned long ago.


The official word has been that the major hold on the release is some legal stuff. I'm guessing it's concerning the copyrights. Given that there has historically been no CLA and the semi-official word being that 2.0 will be licensed BSD, a reasonable effort would need to be made to contact  all past contributors for agreement on the change, and possibly signing of a CLA so that such delays can't happen in the future.

Of course, that last part is just conjecture on my part as the whole thing has been as opaque as mud. So much for community transparency...
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redone

Release dates have always been vague. It's a volunteer project for a start, obviously that will affect such things in a huge way.

Why people get hung up over such things is a mystery to me. After all what does it matter anyway? If your forum is working and functions as planned - big deal.

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Aleksi "Lex" Kilpinen

Exactly how I see it - wether it be RC or Final, as long as it works for you and you have no big problems with it, what's the rush?
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frozenas

Well, as for the rush - I can understand the guy. (don't get it wrong, that I'm rushing things) Of course, if his reasons are the same as mine: I'm waiting for SMF 2.0 final, because I want to make a good and nice forum without the need to RE-DO everything, every plugin, which requires cross-file edit, template, etc.. That's why I'm waiting for the final and currently sticking with RC3. It's said, that a lot will change in the final release. And if there won't be big changes - there still will be the need to edit files, that some plugins are supposed to edit and reinstall all the plugins and probably the template. Which means - double work.

If his reason is just to have the latest version or feel good about it - he's not in my favorite people list.
On the other thought, he isn't now either. His post wasn't pleasing. He WAITED long enough... Waited? It's a free project. Go pay for IPB or Vbullet, or whatever suits you best. You won't have to wait for the new release. It's already one of the best available, except it's not free. I'd pay for it myself, if I had money.
In other words - nobody's forcing you to use it. Use other software, if you don't like waiting. Don't complain, that the release takes too long...

AmaZulu

I have got to say that having been a user of SMF since 2006, I am also beginning to look at alternatives because of this seemingly endless delay in getting 2.0 final released. There are some major features that I need from it in order to continue to grow my community, most specifically the paid subscriptions model.

My site has grown to the point where it has the potential to be my full time job and to be quite honest, I would be happy to pay a license fee for 2.0 right now, just to get that subscriptions feature. I've grown with you guys from nothing, but I can't afford to stop growing while you sit on this new version.

Nolt

I understand some of people who asking why, why. They are looking at other scripts for ex. phpBB, myBB etc. they releasing newer versions faster than SMF and thats why the rumor is.

But guys try to understand SMF isn't like other scripts, SMF is unique. Of course we do not want be way ahead from other scripts, the team is making the best free script not the free bug script. That's why better to have RC version with few bugs (it's working right? preety good damnit!) than release "stable" one and after it releasing lot of patches to it because OMG we forgot about this, omg we noticed this is very important bug and didnt see it before.

Don't be egoistic, the Team is doing great job and the bugtracker is showing it the best way.

AmaZulu

No offense intended to the SMF team who do a great job. But the team needs to understand that if they want to stay current and remain a force in the forum software world, they need to tighten up development times.

I've just spent a few hours looking at IPBoard features this morning and I think that this is the way forward for me. I'd love to give the money to SMF, who brought me here to begin with, but I have to think about the future. I can't wait around hoping for a stable 2.0 indefinitely.

Kindred

Then again...  2.0 rc4 is pretty stable in and of itself ... And it has the paid subscription in it.
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Quote from: AmaZulu on February 06, 2011, 06:01:48 AM
No offense intended to the SMF team who do a great job. But the team needs to understand that if they want to stay current and remain a force in the forum software world, they need to tighten up development times.

I've just spent a few hours looking at IPBoard features this morning and I think that this is the way forward for me. I'd love to give the money to SMF, who brought me here to begin with, but I have to think about the future. I can't wait around hoping for a stable 2.0 indefinitely.
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frozenas

Well, maybe he meant another aspect about the unstable side: he meant, that the plugins/themes will change and there's no real plugins for some things (SMF-Joomla bridge for example), until the final version comes out. That would be a good reason, if he's using 1.1. In fact, it's still a nice reason for me using RC3.

青山 素子

Quote from: newn on February 05, 2011, 07:41:18 PM
I'm waiting for SMF 2.0 final, because I want to make a good and nice forum without the need to RE-DO everything, every plugin, which requires cross-file edit, template, etc.

Why are people under the impression that they must start from scratch every time they update on a pre-release? It's seriously not that difficult. All you need to do is re-apply modifications after the manual update. Exactly the same process as doing a manual update of a stable release.

If you're making manual changes without documenting them, you're doing it wrong. Either keep a log of the changes or use an automated tool to track those changes. There are plenty of tools out there that are meant to help you with those kinds of things.


Quote from: AmaZulu on February 06, 2011, 01:34:39 AM
I have got to say that having been a user of SMF since 2006, I am also beginning to look at alternatives because of this seemingly endless delay in getting 2.0 final released. There are some major features that I need from it in order to continue to grow my community, most specifically the paid subscriptions model.

Is there some problem with starting with the RCs? They are called "release candidates" for a reason.


Quote from: newn on February 06, 2011, 11:31:51 AM
Well, maybe he meant another aspect about the unstable side: he meant, that the plugins/themes will change and there's no real plugins for some things (SMF-Joomla bridge for example), until the final version comes out.

Given the past issues with the Joomla! folks, I don't think there will be a huge effort for a first-party bridge. There are several projects that will bridge SMF and Joomla! in a license-compatible manner for the SMF 2.0 series if you're really intent on using Joomla! for your site.
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AmaZulu

Quote from: 青山 素子 on February 06, 2011, 01:46:56 PM
Is there some problem with starting with the RCs? They are called "release candidates" for a reason.

Yes. They are not recommended for production sites. Especially those with hundreds of thousands of posts and tens of thousands of members.

Arantor

Works fine here with over 2 million posts and over 300,000 members...
Holder of controversial views, all of which my own.

AmaZulu

Then why do they not recommend using it on production sites?

AndreT

Because it is a release candidate and not considered fully stable although it probably is (and yeah, no problems found over here either using RC4).

Cal O'Shaw

Quote from: Arantor on February 06, 2011, 02:22:58 PM
Works fine here with over 2 million posts and over 300,000 members...

Which does give me a lot of confidence.  However, for sites, such as ours, where I don't have a lot of time to clean up issues, you'll see many waiting until SMF says the code is GOLD, use it on Production, and the MODs have been updated.  We're just cautious because having a Production site crash is a really big support issue to us.

Cal

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