SMF 1.1 Release Candidate 2 is available!

[kyt]

repair says there are no errors and get all excited about it
I don't think the repair works good.

plus one of the themes I have "cerberus" blantly says it has an error on the page, and the userinfo stays collapsed, it just won't open.
I didn't notice anything wrong with the index.template.php for it, but I don't know very much at all about PHP. Maybe repair can't find those kinds of errors.

I'll check my server logs. What would I be looking for?

[kyt]

I've been through all my server logs and I don't see any errors, or anything unusual.

I'm completely confused

[qureshi]

Hi there!

If I may ask,

Is there any record of the bugs fixed to date?

If so, but not available to the public, can you give a count of how many bugs you've fixed?

That should give everyone a pretty good ide of how development is going.

Thanks for Smf!

Nadeem

[dkounal]

RC2 had a LOT of new features. You may have noticed them, with new features come changes to the code and more room for bugs, we got a few bugs. Also UTF-8 support is being added to SMF, this is a huge change to some boards that will affect every single post. To try anf fix all these bugs and leave room for any extra bugs that appear due to UTF-8, RC3 will be released after that will be the final We would rather give out a stable final release than a buggy one.

Speaking about RC3, when will this be availiable?
Please, try to respond with a number even in months.

[Trekkie101]

RC2 had a LOT of new features. You may have noticed them, with new features come changes to the code and more room for bugs, we got a few bugs. Also UTF-8 support is being added to SMF, this is a huge change to some boards that will affect every single post. To try anf fix all these bugs and leave room for any extra bugs that appear due to UTF-8, RC3 will be released after that will be the final We would rather give out a stable final release than a buggy one.

Speaking about RC3, when will this be availiable?
Please, try to respond with a number even in months.

Won't be so long away. Sorry no release dates can be given, I promise you right now there is no release date set thats available to me.

[dkounal]

Won't be so long away. Sorry no release dates can be given, I promise you right now there is no release date set thats available to me.

Nothing after RC2? Not even to charter members ?
Is there a table or other ticket software with all known bugs to RC2 and availiable fixes to them?
concerning myself, I have two ways to choose one: Either going the following month to SMF v1.1 but without RC2 bugs, either jumping to Invisionboard if I have to pay a similar amount of money and InvisionBoard worths the difference.
I am using SMF 1.0.7 till now and I am not happy with it. And I do not like to say "Happy New Year" in order to have availiable SMF v1.1 RC3. I respect your work, but I add also my opinion concerning the situation.

[Trekkie101]

Nothing after RC2? Not even to charter members ?
Is there a table or other ticket software with all known bugs to RC2 and availiable fixes to them?
concerning myself, I have two ways to choose one: Either going the following month to SMF v1.1 but without RC2 bugs, either jumping to Invisionboard if I have to pay a similar amount of money and InvisionBoard worths the difference.
I am using SMF 1.0.7 till now and I am not happy with it. And I do not like to say "Happy New Year" in order to have availiable SMF v1.1 RC3. I respect your work, but I add also my opinion concerning the situation.

Any bugs that hinder the user of RC2 and stop it from being fully useable have working patches here, but it still has a few bugs but nothing that you'll probably notice. Every piece of software has bugs, RC3 will have bugs, aswell as 1.1 Final. Invision Power Board at its current stable release has bugs aswell.

You are free to try SMF 1.1 RC2 you'll find it quite stable and useable or we would of had to release an update a lot faster. Invision Power Board has RC releases aswell, without too much detail, it wasn't perfect either by any account.

You're free to use either SMF 1.0.7 or SMF 1.1 RC2 or move away, but we will not release another release until it is ready and at a quality that we are proud of.

[dkounal]

Does RC2 or RC3 supports Unicode? I can tranform existing db data and greek language files in unicode.
A SMF connection with existing joomla site in UTF-8 is an advantage, but I have not seen happy faces when reading this forum...

[winrules]

In RC2 there are problems with UTF-8 support. However all that should be fixed in RC3.

[Crystallas]

just keep up the good work

I cant wait to see the next release. I think most people are waiting on 1.1 final mostly because a lot of mod authors wont release any updates aswell until 1.1 is available.

[lbyard]

...final version of 1.1 shall be out and from RC3 to Final probably wont be aslong as RC2 to RC3 has been.

That would then be relative to when RC3 is released, wouldn't it?  I think 1.1 will be released 29 or 30 December 2006.  I can a remember when things were more dynamic/exciting.  I suppose someone will respond with a link about etiquette.

[ddonzal]

Before I get flamed, lots of love to SMF. I use it on a couple sites and have been successful and happy for a while. I too am eagerly awaiting a final version.

That being said, should I wait? Most on this board talk about RC2 as being more stable than competitors. Although in a prefect world, all bugs would be eliminated before a 'final' version, but we all realize the reality is that this is just not possible with any product - open source or otherwise to get rid of 'all' bugs. So what's the big deal if RC2 has a couple here and there. In the grand scheme of things - nothing. So why didn't they call RC2 a final? Because it's not ready. Why is it not ready? Because in addition to fixing those few non-critical bugs, features were added. Sorry guys, but isn't this a HUGE NO NO in the software world?

I guess the thing that might confuse most people (I know I am) is that a RC is supposed to be feature closed and the developers are just supposed to be cleaning the code. I applaud and understand the need to add items due to a changing world, but shouldn't that be left to a future release not a RC? This is exactly how a project falls into a neverending spiral.

Maybe SMF RC2 should be packaged with the fixes and just simply be named 1.1 Final. After all, perception is reality. If we all percieve RC2 with the fixes strewn around the boards to be stable enough to run a production community... then it is. Then RC3 can be named 1.2 Beta x instead, and everyone will calm down simply because of its name.

My $.02

[Trekkie101]

ddonzal that is how we aim to release, RC shouldn't really get extra features, but due to circumstances a lot was ready and was easily slotted into RC2, the new theme and things had to wait until everything was finalised. RC3 contains about one new feature, it's a security feature and it wouldn't of been wise to wait. RC3 -> Final will not have any new features that we can see. Instead all new features will be put into the next version where work is already under way.

[roxpace]

Sounds nice with no more RC other than RC3, but we as company are gettng tired to wait for the next release and maybe will only use SMF on our non-profit projects since we need a trustful time planning and you never give us any approx. estimated release dates for RC and final.

Please consider that in the future, well even on freebie projects a planning is often very welcome due to site growth.

[JayBachatero]

Roxpace it has been explained to you why we don't give release dates.  The way I see it is if we say it will be released tom but it is released on friday you will whine about it.  If no date is set you will still whine.  Either way you will whine.

PS - not even team members know when the next release will be made.

[BryanSD]

Sounds nice with no more RC other than RC3, but we as company are getting tired to wait for the next release and maybe will only use SMF on our non-profit projects since we need a trustful time planning and you never give us any approx. estimated release dates for RC and final.

I too would like to a 1.1 final, but the RC2 overall is stable.  I've used SMF 1.1 RC1 and RC2 for some clients as well as my own sites.  Every project has there own versioning system so why worry?  They could have easily call it 1.1.2 instead of RC2...but it's still the same code.  The real concern is making sure that previous versions can upgrade with newer versions.  With SMF, I've never had a problem with upgrades.  Much ado about nothing, if you ask me.

-Bryan

[Trekkie101]

Sounds nice with no more RC other than RC3, but we as company are gettng tired to wait for the next release and maybe will only use SMF on our non-profit projects since we need a trustful time planning and you never give us any approx. estimated release dates for RC and final.

Please consider that in the future, well even on freebie projects a planning is often very welcome due to site growth.

May I enquire what is so tiring about the next release? Would you rather we released a buggy final product for use on your production site?

[Ibiza MF]

Would you rather we released a buggy final product for use on your production site?

Are you saying that next release will not have bugs? That would be first time in history of software.

[Aaron]

Are you saying that next release will not have bugs? That would be first time in history of software.

Well, the known bugs of SMF 1.1 RC2 will be fixed. Trekkie is just pointing out that we want SMF 1.1 final to be very stable and as bug free as possible.

[drummbox]

Well, the known bugs of SMF 1.1 RC2 will be fixed. Trekkie is just pointing out that we want SMF 1.1 final to be very stable and as bug free as possible.

Suggestion: Fix all critical defects you know about, release an RC3, and wait 2 weeks for feeedback.

If at least 15 new and upgraded SMF 1.1 RC3 installation work as expected and no other critical defect is found, release 1.1 Stable.

Then collect open defects and run in mainentance mode with quarterly updates. ( Versions 1.1.x)